Alonso Criticizes Team And Teammate Again

[Beco 0]

ok this season Tonio Luzzi on Nico Rosberg, the williams is considered the 'faster' car, it makes the knock out quali stages alot more than a torro rosso does LOL

Slip stream, Nico suffering a bit on his BS tyres, the torro rosso actually OVERTOOK the williams no?

my problem is Nando not really overtaking anyone especially when it matters, i.e points and for his title.

(indy 2006)

ok so i saw tonnio luzzi go wheel to wheel with nico Rosberg for 9th place, excuse me if i am wrong, but i didn't know you get points for that?

it was for position, not even points, but the philosphopy of both racers was to defend or obtain track position, had Ralf not DNFed then Luzzi wouldn't got the point otherwise he overtook a rival for a position, not even points, because thats what f1 racing is all about.

my point is Fernandophilosophy is that overtaking is only needed in a certain climate, and especially when he has nothing to lose, how many times did JPM easily get past FA in 2005?

'i'm either coming around in the lead, or not at all'-thats what JPM told the team over the radio

so basically wheel to wheel racing is not needed in a certain climate, i expect it because i've been watching f1 for years, and have grown up watching people like say a Senna that would go hell for leather for track position.

Nando has never impressed me with his wheel to wheel racing, because quite simply he sees no need for it, mores to the pity.

but means-justify-ends, ect etc etc

[cavallino 2]

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I like the way you talk about Alonso

[narain fan 0]

ok this season Tonio Luzzi on Nico Rosberg, the williams is considered the 'faster' car, it makes the knock out quali stages alot more than a torro rosso does LOL

Slip stream, Nico suffering a bit on his BS tyres, the torro rosso actually OVERTOOK the williams no?

he had nothing to lose...

but i understand the kind of "aggression" u are refering to.but with somuch to lose and so little to gain by an overtaking move..FA might as well settle for 6 pts instead of 0 ,especially considering his current scenario...

[Beco 0]

I like the way you talk about Alonso

LOL really? hmmmm

he had nothing to lose...

but i understand the kind of "aggression" u are refering to.but with somuch to lose and so little to gain by an overtaking move..FA might as well settle for 6 pts instead of 0 ,especially considering his current scenario...

and all i would say to you is, to paraphrase somebody:

'i wasn't designed for coming second'

i have seen enough evidence on the race track, and quotes, where Alonso aims for 'second' Imola 2006-he could have won that race, but he went with a conservative mentality, even said before the race second is good enough, and in the end, as they say, 'be careful for what you wish for'

[narain fan 0]

and all i would say to you is, to paraphrase somebody :

'i wasn't designed for coming second'

and that somebody wasnt "any tom dik and harry"..

perhaps FA recognises his limits and only pushes as far as he can afford to..

[Beco 0]

and that somebody wasnt "any tom dik and harry"..

perhaps FA recognises his limits and only pushes as far as he can afford to..

well as tifosi pointed out, its the driver thats not even statisically the second best driver

FA recognises his limits? hmmmm i say he is similar to Prost, they have suerte, just like in prosts championships, people say luck and blatrese in his back pocket, we have people , that say FA's title down to luck as well as good driving, just go look on his Propoganda wikipedia website, enough said!!!!!

The Japanese and Chinese Grands Prix saw Alonso and Renault abandon the conservative style evident in Brazil when he was still chasing the championship title

oh look they imply conservatisism dropped after his own title is won, hmmmm

Proponents of Kimi R

[narain fan 0]

well as tifosi pointed out, its the driver thats not even statisically the second best driver

ask him who is....

[Beco 0]

ask him who is....

Prsot obviously, but Senna blitzed him, and would have blitzed schumacher if only he lived long enough to prove me right

[nojvnof1 0]

as for bruno, he is quick to say viviene did not ban him, she just put forward a message (strongly) about her views on racing, and stressed if Bruno completed his education, there would be no problem with him racing,

Oh OK, I guess whoever wrote the story about him being banned got it wrong then. As for him stepping up to GP2, I think it's the move he should make as although he may not win British F3, there's no use getting stuck in the series for 4 or 5 years and waste his career away. He's already giving away a major head start to his rivals as a result of him only racing for 2 years and wants race experience. He even travelled down here to Melbourne to race in F3 races at the Australian GP (I got to see him race, I totally see what the fuss is about and it was great to see him race live). If he gets a good offer from GP2, then he should take it. As you mentioned, Berger has taken him under his wing and Gerhard by all accounts is a good and honest guy who was very close to Ayrton, so I think Bruno has a great man helping him.

btw near flawless driving (2005)?

i wouldn't go that far, i think it should be near flawless reliability of the car, look at the ring and canada 2005 (and thats when there was some pressure applied)

I think it was as close to flawless as possible. Sure he was helped by a super reliable car, but he did the job he had to do. Alonso only made one crucial error (Canada) and as for the one he made at the 'Ring, it wasn't as bad as the one made by Kimi which led to his exit from the race. Granted Alonso had the more reliable car, but Alonso still had to push so as to be as close to Kimi as possible to take full advantage of any failures the McLaren may have had. Such unreliability would have been of no use to Alonso had he been a minute down in P7 or P8.

[Beco 0]

Oh OK, I guess whoever wrote the story about him being banned got it wrong then. As for him stepping up to GP2, I think it's the move he should make as although he may not win British F3, there's no use getting stuck in the series for 4 or 5 years and waste his career away. He's already giving away a major head start to his rivals as a result of him only racing for 2 years and wants race experience. He even travelled down here to Melbourne to race in F3 races at the Australian GP (I got to see him race, I totally see what the fuss is about and it was great to see him race live). If he gets a good offer from GP2, then he should take it. As you mentioned, Berger has taken him under his wing and Gerhard by all accounts is a good and honest guy who was very close to Ayrton, so I think Bruno has a great man helping him.

I think it was as close to flawless as possible. Sure he was helped by a super reliable car, but he did the job he had to do. Alonso only made one crucial error (Canada) and as for the one he made at the 'Ring, it wasn't as bad as the one made by Kimi which led to his exit from the race. Granted Alonso had the more reliable car, but Alonso still had to push so as to be as close to Kimi as possible to take full advantage of any failures the McLaren may have had. Such unreliability would have been of no use to Alonso had he been a minute down in P7 or P8.

GB and Beco were the 'james bond' team at mclaren, Senna let GB get the closet to him then any other team mate, maybe because as GB said, he was less of a threat to Senna, and mclaren was 'his team'.

Senna respected GB alot, and GB took with grace(i wouldn't have) the fact that Senna took his old chief ferrari mechanic, even though he joined mclaren for GB.

Bruno was never banned, but his mother was persistent that he get schooled, Bruno's mother's persistence for education also hindered him, as about two years ago when he started to kart, he broke a few ribs, because he was quite simply too big in age and body frame to compete.

He had to miss that competitive karting step out completely, and as we all know karts was one of the best starting points for a driver.

However bruno has adjusted to f3 well, first season his car was less than relaible and not so fast, this year the double r is the car to beat.

as for GP2, GB said he will be there regardless, he is touted to replaced aRT racing driver Hamilton9when he goes into f1), and remember this team won Nico the championship, and hopefully Lewis as well, so it will be a hughely competitive car.

as for Fernando, his car was near faultless, i do rate fernando as a driver, not just as a racer, its all about his philosophy which evokes such strong feelings from me, about him.

He did drive very well, but had kimi not had so many merc blow ups, we could easily have said near faultless drive from raikkonen, RD said the ring, flat spotting was kimi's only real mistake, FA did the same, and canada when jpm and kimi was on his tail he broke the suspension, by hitting the wall HARD!!!!!!

the only difference between kimi and alonso was the relaibility of the cars, also all the accolades of driver of the year etc went to kimi raikkonen, you must ask yourself why.

i can say, as a mclaren hard core NUT, it was the car which screwed over kimi, not his driving (i hope people forget this ridiculous kimi=car breaker crap)

[nojvnof1 0]

flat spotting was kimi's only real mistake, FA did the same, and canada when jpm and kimi was on his tail he broke the suspension, by hitting the wall HARD!!!!!!

Kimi also stalled on the grid at the Australian GP. It would have been interesting had Kimi had a reliable car no doubt about it. The perfect scenario for next year will be for Kimi to remain at McLaren so we can finally find out who is the better driver once and for all.

i can say, as a mclaren hard core NUT, it was the car which screwed over kimi, not his driving

Totally agree with you on that.

[Player(1) 0]

I was going to reply Beco but I see other people have already replyed sufficiently with sense meaning i dont have to. I can offically declare you a moron unfortunatly, comparing car's 14 year's and older to modern one's and thinking the competition was as close and they behave the same win's you that title all by it's self but you cemented it with so many other uneducated comment's.

Think about this, of the top 3 driver's in F1 (that most will suggest) Alonso was the only one to keep all wheel's on the track this qualifying....some will tell you he's under pressure and cracking but he's still making less mistakes then the other's. Feel free to comment on his time and ignore factor's like traffic and dirt on the track...I know your dying to but you already know the reply.

[Beco 0]

I was going to reply Beco but I see other people have already replyed sufficiently with sense meaning i dont have to. I can offically declare you a moron unfortunatly, comparing car's 14 year's and older to modern one's and thinking the competition was as close and they behave the same win's you that title all by it's self but you cemented it with so many other uneducated comment's.

If i am a moron, then lord help you, because quite simply your F1 knowledge is as conservative as Alonso's driving stlye.

I gave an example from the 80's and the 90's and maybe you can not read, i also gave an example from 2006, INDY!!!

Luzzi taking Nico whom has the 'faster car' out of the two, yet he was slip streamed by Luzzi, and then Luzzi scampered off into the distance.

The passing in F1 is not dependant on who has the FASTEST car, obviously that is a factor, but it also depends on other climates in f1, such as tyre choice, tyre wear, track temperature etc etc, so if you are trying to tell me F1 only permits overtaking if you have the fastest car, then what a totaly prat and moronic fool you are!!!!!!

just look at todays race, Mclaren was the fastest car on the track, but it didn't stop Button taking Kimi after the first pit stops did it? Button breezed past him, and you can not tell me Honda was the fastest car out of the two, go look at who the fastest lap of the race went too, enough said!!!!!!

Kimi only re-took Button because he was suffering from gearbox problems apparently!!!!!

look at Webber before he retired, he took the renault of Fisico, and form will say Renault was the faster car in f1 thus far this season, look at how many races williams won this season (nada) and look at renaults, again, the fastest cars can only overtake is absolute bollox, like your knowledge of F1

Alonso is conservative, remember hungry last year? when his championship mattered, as in, it was still in play, how many times did we see alonso actually gor for the jugular and try overtake?

the lowest quali position of Nando's WDC season, was hungry 2005, he qualified 6th, and *tried* and failed to make up places, remember he damaged the car and finished 11th.

That was alonso, when the pressure (less than it is now) tried to overtake, but being conservative, he failed in his overtaking attempts, just like at Canada 2005, he had screamed like a bitch to say he was faster than Fisico, and when jpm and kimi was on his tail, what happened to him?

This debate between me and the moron started over my observation that Fernando is conservative, i'm not the only one that thinks that!!!!

The Japanese and Chinese Grands Prix saw Alonso and Renault abandon the conservative style evident in Brazil when he was still chasing the championship title and Renault closed the performance gap considerably.

Proponents of Kimi R

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I was going to reply Beco but I see other people have already replyed sufficiently with sense meaning i dont have to. I can offically declare you a moron unfortunatly, comparing car's 14 year's and older to modern one's and thinking the competition was as close and they behave the same win's you that title all by it's self but you cemented it with so many other uneducated comment's.

Think about this, of the top 3 driver's in F1 (that most will suggest) Alonso was the only one to keep all wheel's on the track this qualifying....some will tell you he's under pressure and cracking but he's still making less mistakes then the other's. Feel free to comment on his time and ignore factor's like traffic and dirt on the track...I know your dying to but you already know the reply.

except for his off track today and then the team orders that 'stink' fish not pass him.........oh he's melting down

[Beco 0]

Kimi also stalled on the grid at the Australian GP. It would have been interesting had Kimi had a reliable car no doubt about it. The perfect scenario for next year will be for Kimi to remain at McLaren so we can finally find out who is the better driver once and for all.

Totally agree with you on that.

ok nurburg ring and Australian GP-i say lets black mark kimi for that

then alonso

canada, nurburgring and hungry, remember, he qualified 6th, tried but failed to overtake and damaged his front nose, he ended up 11th, that was a driver error.

if we want to go down that route, we look at the season like this:

so it reads 2 driver errors of kimi to alonso's three, also the fact THREE times alonso benfited from Kimi's retirements to take a win, so take off 3 from 7 of Nando's wins, you get 4, add 3 to kimi's 7, you get TEN!!!!!!

kimi made just as few (if not fewer) driver errors as Fernando, so if Fernando drove a near fautless race, then Kimi deserves that accoldae, but i would say Fernando's car reliability was the difference, because i rate kimi as the better driver, from a driving prospective kimi was the better out of the two, and critics backed it up, look who won driver of the season award.

[cavallino 2]

On topic, what more do you want Mr. Alonso, should Fisi tow your car around the track?

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On topic, what more do you want Mr. Alonso, should Fisi tow your car around the track?

Might help

[UrKo 0]

What more do you want Mr. M$???

Should we use Massa to try to push Alonso off track or will you do it yet again in following gp's???

Sorry cavallino, but more jokes are on M$ than FA!

[Beco 0]

What more do you want Mr. M$???

Should we use Massa to try to push Alonso off track or will you do it in next gp???

Sorry cavallino, but more jokes are on M$ than FA!

It's true!!!!!

Question: whats the greatest achievement of MS's career to date?

Answer:

getting disqualified from the WDC in 1997

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I love this, not only is Alonso in the midst of a melt-down now his fans are also

[cavallino 2]

Nah, these are the disgruntled Kimi fans - McMerc blew it yet again, they can't be happy.

[UrKo 0]

I love this, not only is Alonso in the midst of a melt-down now his fans are also

Im no Alonso fan but would rather see him win the title than M$.

[pumpdoc 2]

Nah, these are the disgruntled Kimi fans - McMerc blew it yet again, they can't be happy.

Speaking of McMerc I belive Mr. Mumbles(Kimi) said that his engine melted down on the cool down lap

[UrKo 0]

Nah, these are the disgruntled Kimi fans - McMerc blew it yet again, they can't be happy.

Well McMerc blew it again....your're absolutely right about that....If they would know how to change a tyre Kimi would have a little more chances to try to fight for the win.

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Im no Alonso fan but would rather see him win the title than M$.

Well you may be in for a let-down