Ctrl300 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2006 McLaren, Microsoft confirm ECU supply Monday, December 11th 2006, 11:38 GMT McLaren Electronic Systems has finally confirmed it has won, along with Microsoft, the FIA tender for supply of standard engine control units (ECU) to all Formula One teams from 2008. The FIA selected the joint application of Microsoft and McLaren three months ago, but until now neither Microsoft nor McLaren commented on their win, with McLaren's identity virtually kept hidden. It wasn't until autosport.com reported that "Microsoft MES" is in fact a joint venture between Microsoft and McLaren, that the Woking-based company's involvement was revealed. The company, which operates from the McLaren Technology Centre in Woking, operates independently from the McLaren F1 team. It has been developing, manufacturing and deploying advanced electronic control and data systems for more than 15 years, also working within F1 with several teams. "We have been involved in Formula One and other forms of professional motorsport for 15 years and already work with all the Formula One teams," said Peter van Manen, managing director of McLaren Electronic Systems. "We are delighted to be working closely with Microsoft and the FIA to supply the standard ECUs to Formula One. "Our work with Microsoft allows us to combine MES' considerable knowledge and experience of providing systems at the highest levels of motorsport with Microsoft's innovative technologies to deliver the best electronic system possible." In a joint statement today, McLaren and Microsoft said they will work together to develop, manufacture and supply the ECU systems - with each car's ECU potentially gathering more than 1GB of information during each Grand Prix. This data will then be broadcast back to systems provided by Microsoft/MES that will be located in the garage of each team for detailed analysis. "In all industries, Microsoft's aim is to provide people with the right technology and the right tools to enable them to succeed in their business, while also keeping costs to a minimum," said Manuel Simas, director of worldwide automotive industry at Microsoft. "This is exactly what we are offering to all of the Formula One teams. We are very excited to be involved in this development with MES, of what we believe will be a robust, scalable and easy-to-use system. "We are looking forward to working with MES and the FIA on this project over the coming years." www.autosport.com I think that this will not present itself as a competitive advantage for McLaren. With that being said, I hope the new ECU will have a better reliability that other Microsoft software. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F1 FANatic 1 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 all teams should cry foul. the ECU is the most idiotic idea the FIA has ever put forth, even worse then the one tire per race rule, and i think we all can agree that that was a bad move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ctrl300 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 all teams should cry foul. the ECU is the most idiotic idea the FIA has ever put forth, even worse then the one tire per race rule, and i think we all can agree that that was a bad move. Do you mean the ECU itself or the standardised ECU? I think it will be a good move to have a standardised ECU as it will eliminate competition. As it is now the other competitor Magnetti Marelli is owned by FIAT whom owns Ferrari, and I think they have enough say with the FIA as it is. Besides, McLaren Systems already supplies almost the entire pitlane with some sort of service as it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autumnpuma 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 I like the idea of a standard ECU, and, as Ulrik says, Microsoft has no real vested interests so it's good for clean competition. Most fans, me included, want to know that what we are seeing is the pure racer out there, not some electronic device helping an average driver look good. If the ECU can get us there, I'm all for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UrKo 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 I like the idea of a standard ECU, and, as Ulrik says, Microsoft has no real vested interests so it's good for clean competition. Most fans, me included, want to know that what we are seeing is the pure racer out there, not some electronic device helping an average driver look good. If the ECU can get us there, I'm all for it. Agreed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stopkidding 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 If it saves money and makes it a little bit more even for the poorer teams, then I am all for it. The F1 fan should not care about the ECU or the Laundry history of Massa's underwear. Anything to sustain good exciting racing is good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 The standardised ECU is a good idea, it should finally bring a more enforceble ban on driver aids. And no, it will not give McLaren an unfair advantage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 I'm disappointed in you lot!! I was expecting at least some comments about it having to be rebooted in the middle of a race, at the very least!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 Na, it isn't powered by windows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dribbler 6 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 Ron's still bitter about Ferrari and Bridgestone's love-in, that's all. I see no reason to believe that this is an advantage for Mclaren. Bring it on, as Mike said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 Ferrari may have a small advantage, but it will not make the same difference other people think it might. If he is worried about bridgestone aiding ferrari all i can say is he cannot be overly confident of building a good enough car. I personally think a single tyre supplier will close things up a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F1 FANatic 1 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 i think they should just get rid of the ECU entirely, i dont really see the point of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monza gorilla 1 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 The engines wouldn't run. Or are you suggesting a return to carburretors? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 i think they should just get rid of the ECU entirely, i dont really see the point of it The ECU is an important component, and controls all of the car's electronics, including things like engine mappings, fuel mixtures, and more besides. It is a pretty important piece of kit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dribbler 6 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 The ECU is an important component, and controls all of the car's electronics, including things like engine mappings, fuel mixtures, and more besides. It is a pretty important piece of kit It's the cars brain, it can't operate properly without one. Just look at Sato. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 It's the cars brain, it can't operate properly without one. Just look at Sato. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2006 It's the cars brain, it can't operate properly without one. Just look at Sato. that was a good one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aussief1 4 Report post Posted December 13, 2006 i think they should just get rid of the ECU entirely, i dont really see the point of it I don't think that is ever going to happen. It's the cars brain, it can't operate properly without one. Just look at Sato. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F1 FANatic 1 Report post Posted December 13, 2006 teams spend millions of dollars on the electronics of the cars, if you get rid of most of that you don't have to sacrifice all the other things the FIA is restricting in the name of saving money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wez 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2006 The engines wouldn't run. Or are you suggesting a return to carburretors? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F1 FANatic 1 Report post Posted December 13, 2006 i seam to remember that the cars used to run fine without ECUs. the FIA could make it mandatory that all teams have standerdized monitoring equipment, to check temps and pressures Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dribbler 6 Report post Posted December 13, 2006 i seam to remember that the cars used to run fine without ECUs. the FIA could make it mandatory that all teams have standerdized monitoring equipment, to check temps and pressures That was when there was no fuel injection. This relies on electronic programming to get the mixture of fuel and air correct; impossible without an ECU, unless the fuel injection is mechanical of course. Road cars have ECU's. Stepping backwards and removing them from F1 would be daft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wez 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2006 i seam to remember that the cars used to run fine without ECUs. the FIA could make it mandatory that all teams have standerdized monitoring equipment, to check temps and pressures I always thought formula 1 was meant to be the pinnacle of motor sport!!! You cant have formula 3's with more technology than a f1! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aussief1 4 Report post Posted December 14, 2006 I always thought formula 1 was meant to be the pinnacle of motor sport!!!You cant have formula 3's with more technology than a f1! Me too, perhaps we should write a letter to Mr. Max Mosley and kindly remind him............ seems he has forgotten the silly old bugger. Slightly off topic but I felt the urgent need to do some Mosley bashing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wez 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2006 Me too, perhaps we should write a letter to Mr. Max Mosley and kindly remind him............ seems he has forgotten the silly old bugger.Slightly off topic but I felt the urgent need to do some Mosley bashing Old age does that to people.. the guy must be about 185! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites