mock 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 First Lt. Ehren Watada, a 28-year-old Hawaii native, is the first commissioned officer in the U.S. to publicly refuse deployment to Iraq. He announced last June his decision not to deploy on the grounds the war is illegal. Lt. Watada was based at Fort Lewis, Washington, with the Army's 3rd (Stryker) Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division. He has remained on base, thus avoiding charges of desertion. He does, however, face one count of "missing troop movement" and four counts of "conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman." If convicted, he faces up to six years in prison. Full story here http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/blogs19056 ---------------------- I personally feel he is right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autumnpuma 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 I like silver and blue. They both look smashing together on an embroidered procompsognathid. EDIT: My keyboard didn't type in the 'y' for 'They' so I had to add it back in. Good thing, too, because my post would make no sense whatsoever without it............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 I like silver and blue. They both look smashing together on an embroidered procompsognathid.EDIT: My keyboard didn't type in the 'y' for 'They' so I had to add it back in. Good thing, too, because my post would make no sense whatsoever without it............ I like silver and blue also, my high school colors But right now I'm very partial to blue and gold, The Chargers team colors Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 I like silver and blue. They both look smashing together on an embroidered procompsognathid.EDIT: My keyboard didn't type in the 'y' for 'They' so I had to add it back in. Good thing, too, because my post would make no sense whatsoever without it............ This intrigues me, Mike - do you have a very clever, but naughty keyboard? Do you tell it what to type and it does it for you, though occasionally it 'acts up' and doesn't type one of the letters you told it to type? I still have to type manually......[sigh] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Max Mosley 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 I think he's wrong. Whatever the motives for the war we can at least do our best to make it better now, and that means officers following orders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mock 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 I like silver and blue. They both look smashing together on an embroidered procompsognathid.EDIT: My keyboard didn't type in the 'y' for 'They' so I had to add it back in. Good thing, too, because my post would make no sense whatsoever without it............ Aha ! Two Americans not willing to comment, yet a Britisher does make a comment, interesting statistics so far. Murray, I agree with you on the fact that in the Army one cannot afford to have officers who do not follow orders...............Yet there is something about this story that makes me think twice... Have you seen 'A Few Good Men'? I guess that is the best parallel I can think of Edit: Abu Ghraib is another bad example of soldiers following bad orders........, but could bad orders be used as a justification for what they did ?? Edit2: Looks like the Americans gonna stay away from this one........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 I was in the Navy, officers must follow orders, that's all I'm gonna say. What are your favorite colors? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monza gorilla 1 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 My favourite colour is blue. Very, very, dark blue. For Mock: We had 2 very similar cases in this country. One on grounds that the war was illegal (not accepted) and one on the grounds of religious conflict (the serviceman was a muslim and objected to possibly killing fellow muslims - they found him an alternative posting) My view? If you join the armed forces then you may be called upon to do things you find distasteful. You cannot pick and choose. On the other hand, I do like deep greens as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 My favourite colour is blue. Very, very, dark blue.For Mock: We had 2 very similar cases in this country. One on grounds that the war was illegal (not accepted) and one on the grounds of religious conflict (the serviceman was a muslim and objected to possibly killing fellow muslims - they found him an alternative posting) My view? If you join the armed forces then you may be called upon to do things you find distasteful. You cannot pick and choose. On the other hand, I do like deep greens as well. I dare say a Navy blue? Or much darker midnight blue? I like emerald green also.......... Back in a bit, must finish watching Abbot and Costello meet Frankenstien Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monza gorilla 1 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 What a hard life you lead! Midnight blue, of course. I prefer Laurel and Hardy, myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kup 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 And Who IS Wahada ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 What a hard life you lead!Midnight blue, of course. I prefer Laurel and Hardy, myself. Well Stan and Ollie are certainly among my favorites as are the Stooges............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkejay 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 If he feels the war is illegal, then he must follow his conscience. As St. Augustine said, 'an unjust law is no law at all'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkejay 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 As a corollary, in most martial law systems, if following an order requires that you commit an illegal act, it is not a defence to a subsequent prosecution for that crime that you were ordered to commit it by your superior. Whether or not that has any application to this situation I cannot say, but the blanket assertion that a soldier must always follow orders is not correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavallino 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 If he feels the war is illegal, then he must follow his conscience. As St. Augustine said, 'an unjust law is no law at all'. Hmm I'd disagree there. Iraq is hardly the first or only violation of international law by the United States armed forces. There is no draft, it is a volunteer army in a developed country where it is far from the sole source of employment - he knew what he was in for when he enlisted. If he didn't, he should have. That's how the military works, and I can't really argue that that is unnecessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kup 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 And Who IS Wahada ? WAHADA WHO ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Medilloni 6 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 I was going to say my fave colour at the moment is kahki. Then I came over all guilty thinking that I might offend someone who doesn't like colours associated with army colours. Now I don't know what to do, I mean, I do like it but I don't want to make this into a thread where others just verbally toss others off. That's horrid. So I'm going to choose, erm, yellow. As my favourite colour for the purposes of this forum anyways. But if that offends anyone if they think it's a reference to the chap that is the subject of this post, then I'm sorry. In fact I'll change it. Right now. Green then. I don't mean it's because I am green in terms of lifestyle; far from it. But just in case the greenies get upset (not a difficult thing I imagine), I'll change it to another colour, perhaps if I mix the yellow and green? Oh dear. I think that's khaki.... My favourite word is 'podule'. Try it. Go on, just say 'podule' loads of times and see how much pleasure it gives you. Don't say it near dogs though. It seems to annoy them. Other words that are fun to repeat many times are: Innit Brrowwwwmmm He Ha It A Scrotum Lorry GOon! Deeper Yes Ooh Wow Sardinia Enjoy. I mean enjoy saying them over and over. I didn't mean say 'enjoy' lots and lots of times, but I might try it. I think I know a song about that. Is silver a colour? I've given it some thought, and I do like blue too (most shades) but I didn't want to follow the crowd. Blue it is then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dribbler 6 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 I personally feel he is right I personally feel he is wrong, very wrong. If you sign up to serve in an armed force then you should fight without question, that's the discipline. To question whether your superiors are right or wrong threatens the very nature of an army. You should unite whether you are right or wrong. All this defectious speak is indicative of the namby pamby PC world we are living in, it makes me sick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dribbler 6 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 My favourite word is 'podule'. Try it. Go on, just say 'podule' loads of times and see how much pleasure it gives you. Don't say it near dogs though. It seems to annoy them. That's just very funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monza gorilla 1 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 My favourite word is 'podule'. Try it. Go on, just say 'podule' loads of times and see how much pleasure it gives you. Don't say it near dogs though. It seems to annoy them. That's a woody word if ever I heard one. But I find that a tinny word can give just as much enjoyment. For example, spindly. A classic example of a tinny word. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 Gimboid Don't know why, but I just like that one from Red Dwarf! AllI need to do now is try and mix podule with gimboid........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Medilloni 6 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 That's a woody word if ever I heard one. But I find that a tinny word can give just as much enjoyment. For example, spindly. A classic example of a tinny word. Woody? Hmm, I thought a hint of nut. But woody is a beautiful word to repeat over and over and over and over again, thank you for that. I also have a predilection for anything that one can really get one's tongue around. 'Orifice' seems to hit the spot - as long as one remebers to roll one's 'R's. EDIT: Thank you Pabloh. 'Gimboid', indeed a classic. GimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGim boidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboi d GimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGim b oidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboidGimboid G imboidGimboid. Yummy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 Woody? Hmm, I thought a hint of nut.But woody is a beautiful word to repeat over and over and over and over again, thank you for that. Even better - make it into a song! Long time no see, medilloni, good to see some of your posts again! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Medilloni 6 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 Even better - make it into a song! Long time no see, medilloni, good to see some of your posts again! Yes old chum, busy preparing for a (work) trip to Californ i ey. I think the excitement is getting to me, and the bonus is it's fitting in well before the start of the season. I thought Woody might fit into the Lumberjack Song. I'll give it a whirl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 Yes old chum, busy preparing for a (work) trip to Californ i ey. I think the excitement is getting to me, and the bonus is it's fitting in well before the start of the season.I thought Woody might fit into the Lumberjack Song. I'll give it a whirl. Cool! I was thinking of trying to get all your words into a song, something to the tune of Milk Cow Blues by Eddie Cochran...... I woke up this morning My woody fell out of bed Some gimboid trod on it And it made me see red I said, leeeaaaaaave in your podule Go back to Sardinia Coz if I ever get hold of your scrotum You're gonna wind up being dead That's as far as I got and I had to get gimboid in there too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites