Red Bull In Deep Sh#t Again..

[ykickamoocow 0]

Just shows us once again how good Newey is at Aero, only problem is that he's too good for an F1 car, They do need some drag and they do need to put some heat in the tires. Maybe he'd be better off at boeing or Airbus designing an airplane. just turn all the wings on an F1 car upside down and strap a jet engine on it and off it goes.

I know. Its hard to believe a designer can make a car too aerodynamically efficient but somehow Newey has managed it.

[Kati 0]

@ykick: its right under the original article.. i posted it right when i came to the thread I just gave him instruction on how to find it because he didn't believed it

[ykickamoocow 0]

@ykick: its right under the original article.. i posted it right when i came to the thread I just gave him instruction on how to find it because he didn't believed it

Ah, OK. My bad

[Kati 0]

No problem

[stopkidding 0]

I know. Its hard to believe a designer can make a car too aerodynamically efficient but somehow Newey has managed it.

there is no such thing as being too aerodynamically efficient, I think the term you are searching for is "bad design". A car would be called aerodynamically "efficient" when it produces maximum downforce with the least drag penalty! Its very easy to build car with a low aerodynamic coefficient, but its useless if it doesn't generate enough downforce.

I read a quote around the RB3 launch that the many of the cars aero devices weren't complete at the time of the launch. Expect to see a lot of aero devices being bolted to the car before the first race.

again all the preseason hype about the TEAM ONE MAN SUPER DESIGNER NEWEY are begining to sound like what it was....HYPE

[Autumnpuma 0]

Oh! You mean the RB3 may not be a great car afterall? Didn't see that coming.

My neighbour works on the aero at Red Bull. He hasn't been home all weekend.......

I think this is all in line with the interview Newey gave recently. He mentioned that the basic chassis was ready to roll, but the greeblies still needed to be figured out and slapped on. I'm guessing your neighbor is hard at work on those greeblies. The car (minus the greeblies) is probably on track now to shakedown the mechanical elements of the car. DC, for all his experience and wisdom, is a little short-sighted sometimes. Remember when he was complaining about the lack of development on last year's car? He obviously knew Adrien was hard at work on the new car and he was obviously told there would be no more development on the old car, yet he still publicly complained about it.

I see DC's current comments as I saw those past comments. He's just impatient, but he likely knows the car isn't complete yet.

So DC is saying that its a pig of a car to drive. But then again only a week ago he said that the fastest cars he has ever driven were all hard to drive so maybe its a good sign.

I believe DC;s comments point to the car being good, but currently lacks aerodynamic fine-tuning. I would suggest that people not be so quick to write off this car as a 'bad design'. Wait until Bahrain before you judge that.

[TripleR 0]

Red Bull Racing had its first proper test with its new car, running this week at the

Valencia circuit. The 2007 car, code-name RB3, had its shakedown courtesy of David

Coulthard on 24 January in Barcelona and two days later, Mark Webber got his

hands on it for his first go behind the wheel.

The initial focus was on evaluating the many new systems, not least the integration with the new Renault engine, as well as sorting out software on elements such as traction control, gear selection and engine braking. Coulthard had a gearbox glitch on the second day, while evaluating aero and suspension set-up changes.

"We had some teething problems which means we did not complete as many laps as we would have liked," said Head of Race and Test Engineering, Paul Monaghan. "However, we learnt a lot and came up with fixes for some of the problems we encountered and we made progress throughout the four days. We are already building up a good relationship with the guys at Renault and we are now looking forward to an even more productive test at Jerez, where we start running on Tuesday with two cars and both race drivers."

as long as it brings points during the first races and challenges i like this car ...

PS : Testing doesn't show everything let us wait some more time ..

[AutoRacer5 0]

Red Bull is not in deep sh!t. A three year old that drowns in a septic tank, however, that's a different story.

[goferrarigo 0]

Red Bull is not in deep sh!t. A three year old that drowns in a septic tank, however, that's a different story.

Well it's not in the best of Sh#t either.

[David Adams 0]

well... it's on www.globoesporte.com if u understand portuguese... it's our major tv channel

click on 'formula um' and you'll find a headline about DC

Im sure you are correct in that it says that - although I am just arguing that it may have been "made up", a quote out of context of some sorts - I recall a certain Spanish website reporting about 10 rumours per week near the end of last season, none of which turned out to be true, they just acted as a selling tool for themselves.

My only logical reasoning for this is the fact nothing has been said on any of the sites I currently look through, ones who may normally only post credible information :-) Not saying your site is wrong, just my reasoning!

[Kati 0]

Don't worry. Just think they wouldn't do that...

[David Adams 0]

Im living in hope that my ignorance will win out, I'd love to see Red Bull on the podium, behind McLaren, this season

[Jean Todt 4]

As Mike says, its best for us to wait till every bit falls into its place before writing off Redbull, As I think Newey is a kind of guy who keeps developing a car right from the start to the end of its life cycle. I think Redbulls will become fantastic after the mid season and might actually be looking for wins from the next season!

[Autumnpuma 0]

As Mike says, its best for us to wait till every bit falls into its place before writing off Redbull, As I think Newey is a kind of guy who keeps developing a car right from the start to the end of its life cycle. I think Redbulls will become fantastic after the mid season and might actually be looking for wins from the next season!

That would be very good, I think! One more reason why I'm looking forward to '07!!

[JayStorm 0]

Maybe Red Bull realise that there is now maybe too much expectation and so have released it to downplay their hopes.

Probably not but i'd like to think so. I love Coulthard's quotes. lol

[ykickamoocow 0]

Maybe Red Bull realise that there is now maybe too much expectation and so have released it to downplay their hopes.

Probably not but i'd like to think so. I love Coulthard's quotes. lol

I think it is generally believed in F1 that the McLaren MP4-21 was a very quick car and if not for its 1 major problem it could have been fighting for the championship. That major problem was that the car didnt use its tyres well enough and couldnt get enough heat in them. This sounds like a very similar problem Red Bull is now facing. This seems to be a flaw in the most recent Adrian Newey designed cars and it is a flaw which McLaren seemed to have solved. The problem is that Newey wasnt at McLaren when they solved the problem so he has no idea how they did it. I truly believe that if Red Bull can get more heat into the Bridgestone tyres then it will be a very competitive car.

[JayStorm 0]

Good point about them solving it after he had gone.

Yeah, there's no point in taking things from others if you haven't got the full article.

But yes, it won't be impossible for them to still be very successful.

[Jean Todt 4]

I think it is generally believed in F1 that the McLaren MP4-21 was a very quick car and if not for its 1 major problem it could have been fighting for the championship. That major problem was that the car didnt use its tyres well enough and couldnt get enough heat in them. This sounds like a very similar problem Red Bull is now facing. This seems to be a flaw in the most recent Adrian Newey designed cars and it is a flaw which McLaren seemed to have solved. The problem is that Newey wasnt at McLaren when they solved the problem so he has no idea how they did it. I truly believe that if Red Bull can get more heat into the Bridgestone tyres then it will be a very competitive car.

I think in 2005 Mclarens used their tyres the best when compared to Renaults, You can take the Monaco GP as one example. As I said earlier the Newey's constant inputs were clearly helping the team out, and Mclarens were only getting faster and faster despite having one of the most under powered engines! Ykick...do wait, I am sure even Bridgestones will be working on this tyre issue, I am sure Bridgestones will Improve and contribute to good performance, it would be interesting if some team can come down to Sepang or even Bahrain to test the cars in warmer weather, but I know it won't happen.

One question to anyone who can answer me, are the Redbull cars suffering from lack of down force? or they need to improve in every area?

[la force supreme des mclaren 0]

I think in 2005 Mclarens used their tyres the best when compared to Renaults, You can take the Monaco GP as one example. As I said earlier the Newey's constant inputs were clearly helping the team out, and Mclarens were only getting faster and faster despite having one of the most under powered engines! Ykick...do wait, I am sure even Bridgestones will be working on this tyre issue, I am sure Bridgestones will Improve and contribute to good performance, it would be interesting if some team can come down to Sepang or even Bahrain to test the cars in warmer weather, but I know it won't happen.

One question to anyone who can answer me, are the Redbull cars suffering from lack of down force? or they need to improve in every area?

On the contrary though the Mp4-20 wasn't a race winner until Spain where they Raced with new suspension geometry for the second time after the disastrous Imola gp which were perfected by Neil Oatley and Mike coughlan.The reason it wasn't a race winner was it couldn't use the tyres effectively. In a F1Racing mag in 2006 one article mentioned that Adrian was only consulted for some aerodynamic solutions in 2005 after a fall-out in 2004,nothing more major.

Also guys how do u start a new thread?

[ykickamoocow 0]

Also guys how do u start a new thread?

You just go to the section you want the tread in (eg "F1 Discussion" or "Cafe") and click on the blue button that says "New Topic"

[la force supreme des mclaren 0]

You just go to the section you want the tread in (eg "F1 Discussion" or "Cafe") and click on the blue button that says "New Topic"

Thanks Mate!

Also if u wanna know about today's testing check out live updates at www.f1today.nl, it's a dutch site.

[cavallino 2]

Thanks Mate!

Also if u wanna know about today's testing check out live updates at www.f1today.nl, it's a dutch site.

Don't tell me If you're Dutch I appoint you official totalf1 translator of obscure Dutch F1 sites with interesting info. Do you like Albers?

[Jean Todt 4]

On the contrary though the Mp4-20 wasn't a race winner until Spain where they Raced with new suspension geometry for the second time after the disastrous Imola gp which were perfected by Neil Oatley and Mike coughlan.The reason it wasn't a race winner was it couldn't use the tyres effectively. In a F1Racing mag in 2006 one article mentioned that Adrian was only consulted for some aerodynamic solutions in 2005 after a fall-out in 2004,nothing more major.

Also guys how do u start a new thread?

One of the reasons why the Mclarens couldnt do well during the start of 2005 season was simply because of the bad race strategy, as Ron and Kimi themselves pointed out that they clearly had a car that was as fast as Renault (initially) but they had been fueled heavily during qualifying, this means they were further pushed back after qualifying, and the drivers had to gamble, instead they got stuck in traffic and some times collided. If some one can look at the fastest times posted during the races you will agree that the Mclarens were good enough right from the start, its just that the team screwed it. I think a driver like Fernando will be able to have a full command over the team for race strategy. I think the Mclarens were always efficient enough with the tyres though.

[ykickamoocow 0]

I think the Mclarens were always efficient enough with the tyres though.

Well we know for a fact that the MP4-21's main fault was its inability to get heat into its tyres and this fault slowed them down. The car was just too easy on the tyres and while that is a good thing in some cases in regards to strategy a F1 team must walk a fine line between good on tyres and too good on tyres as the better a car is on its tyres the less heat there is which means a drop in performance.

[Jean Todt 4]

Well we know for a fact that the MP4-21's main fault was its inability to get heat into its tyres and this fault slowed them down. The car was just too easy on the tyres and while that is a good thing in some cases in regards to strategy a F1 team must walk a fine line between good on tyres and too good on tyres as the better a car is on its tyres the less heat there is which means a drop in performance.

You can say it was balance, as there were tracks where they could perform consistently without loosing grip, renaults were trashed (esp Fisi's) by the end of a race due to excessive tyre wears, there were instances where Mclarens were only getting faster and faster by the end of a race, I think it was a fair affair, where renaults pulled away with good grip and slowed down as it faded off and Mclarens cought up easily when their tyres were performing better as the race progressed, it was just that they had a crap engine. Anyways, I can't take anything away from Renault, The right team won it!