whiskee 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2007 ... other than those he is lapping. At least in that sense R Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted March 26, 2007 ... other than those he is lapping. At least in that sense R Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autumnpuma 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2007 He's not kidding, just trying to stir s##te. Good luck to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ecapdeville 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2007 He's not kidding, just trying to stir s##te. Good luck to him. Indeed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
milaszewski 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2007 Alonso does overtake more than most other drivers in F1. Actually I have always considered him as one of the most spectacular drivers, because he overtakes a lot. Are we speaking about Fernando Alonso and Formula 1, or do you mean some other Alonso? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whiskee 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2007 I'm not trying to stir sh#t. I very rarely see him challenging a driver ahead of him compared to Kimi. But I doubt they make statistics off of things like these, suppose I might've been watching the wrong races. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autumnpuma 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2007 Understandable considering Kimi has had to start from the back on more occasions than did Alonso. Alonso has always qualified well and as a result has rarely needed to overtake many cars. If you want one example of him working up the field, look at Monza '06. There's also a thread here with a video of Alonso overtaking in F3000 on the kink up to Eau Rouge....ballsy overtaking there. The examples are out there, but you have to want to see them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted March 26, 2007 Understandable considering Kimi has had to start from the back on more occasions than did Alonso. Alonso has always qualified well and as a result has rarely needed to overtake many cars. If you want one example of him working up the field, look at Monza '06. There's also a thread here with a video of Alonso overtaking in F3000 on the kink up to Eau Rouge....ballsy overtaking there.The examples are out there, but you have to want to see them. Plus Hungaroring 2006, Suzuka 2005, plus all the wonderful starts he had, plus... What's the use, anyways? But let me save you a reply: "overtaking at the start doesn't count" "<insert overtaken driver's name here> was driving a much inferior car" "Again, Alonso prefers to overtake drivers in the pits" (as opposite to Schumacher, I guess?) Really, you need to close your eyes tightly during most races to make such a remark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 Youtube Links All i can say is... {o,o} |)__) -"-"- O RLY? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 No point overtaking when you win most races? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krish 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 Does any one remember Alonso blocking David Coulthard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Player(1) 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 Understandable considering Kimi has had to start from the back on more occasions than did Alonso. Alonso has always qualified well and as a result has rarely needed to overtake many cars. Believe I made that point a little while ago, wasent bothered to even reply but that is what I would have said. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goferrarigo 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 Does any one remember Alonso blocking David Coulthard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Strange 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 It's been going on for years. The result of a race takes place during the pitstops.... Hey buddy it's the pinnacle of motorsport remember? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 Does any one remember Alonso blocking David Coulthard (when he was at Mclaren) few years ago,he braked so late at a corner which made his to go into the gravel field. I thinks Alonso is good in overtaking but not that good in blocking cars. I would say it's the total opposite... our friend whiskee's got a point, wether you like it or not... Alonso does'nt look comfortable overtaking, thats why his moves are always on the brink of being ultra dangerous. But he's absolutely brilliant at blocking, you can't keep up a guy like schumie twice behind you for those number of laps.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean Todt 4 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 I think Alonso never had to try too hard. May be like MS, he is some times too cunning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autumnpuma 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 Believe I made that point a little while ago, wasent bothered to even reply but that is what I would have said. Thanks. Indeed. You are the numero uno Alonso supporter here, but I defend where I can.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autumnpuma 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 I would say it's the total opposite...our friend whiskee's got a point, wether you like it or not... Alonso does'nt look comfortable overtaking, thats why his moves are always on the brink of being ultra dangerous. But he's absolutely brilliant at blocking, you can't keep up a guy like schumie twice behind you for those number of laps.... Interesting that you see it this way. Most former WDC's, team personnel, aged F1 journos all disagree with you....but no matter. Kimi's a great driver to support so you've got your horse (pardon the Ferrari reference) and you're betting on it all the time. Nothing wrong in that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jem of the Shire 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 ... other than those he is lapping. At least in that sense R Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schumikonen 2 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 I would say it's the total opposite...our friend whiskee's got a point, wether you like it or not... Alonso does'nt look comfortable overtaking, thats why his moves are always on the brink of being ultra dangerous. But he's absolutely brilliant at blocking, you can't keep up a guy like schumie twice behind you for those number of laps.... You are right here, he only overtakes when he is really far behind in a position where nobody will say he got a good result but if he is a good "result position" you will see him trying to pass only in pit stops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dark rider 13 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 and kimi is an exeptional overtaker!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shampion 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 ... other than those he is lapping. At least in that sense R Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 and kimi is an exeptional overtaker!! thats the difference... Kimi exceptional, so was Micheal... Alonso????......hmmmm not in the same class I would say.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 i remember alonso blocking schumi in the end of a race in the start of the season, which was blocked beutifully, can't remember which race though 2005 the San Marino GP, he kept schumi back for something like 13 laps. In all honesty I haven't seen a great deal that leads me to believe that Raikkonen is a better overtaker than Alonso. In Japan 2005, Alonso overtook Klien twice, Schumi twice, as well as Webber. Alonso is a very capable overtaker, and he is also very fast. If you want an example of how relentless he can be watch the 2006 Spanish GP. Raikkonen can overtake, I am not doubting that but it really is stupid to try and trash Alonso because he is better at defensive driving than Raikkonen is. Defensive driving is a much finer art than Overtaking, and it is a lot harder to do correctly. There where several times in 2005 where Raikkonen got stuck behind Schumacher, and several other slow cars (Villeneuve in Monza 2005 anyone?), so Alonso is not the only driver that gets stuck behind cars, every driver does it, good and bad. If you are going to Bash alonso, bash him for something that really is a fault, and not a skill (and a skill I bet a lot of Raikkonen fans wish their man was a lot better at) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted March 27, 2007 2005 the San Marino GP, he kept schumi back for something like 13 laps.In all honesty I haven't seen a great deal that leads me to believe that Raikkonen is a better overtaker than Alonso. In Japan 2005, Alonso overtook Klien twice, Schumi twice, as well as Webber. Alonso is a very capable overtaker, and he is also very fast. If you want an example of how relentless he can be watch the 2006 Spanish GP. Raikkonen can overtake, I am not doubting that but it really is stupid to try and trash Alonso because he is better at defensive driving than Raikkonen is. Defensive driving is a much finer art than Overtaking, and it is a lot harder to do correctly. Shane, overtaking is a greater risk than defensive driving, where all one has to do is protect the racing line.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites