Alonso, Time To Learn From Micheal Schumacher

[pabloh20 1]

Hey now they give a 6th trimmer blade as well

6?? What's this now?

[The_Fast_Days 0]

I feel sorry for 'ol Fernando. Back when it was him vs. Schumacher he was definitley the good guy, but now that its Alonso vs. Hamilton, he's pretty much the bad guy (so to speak). Poor sod, gone from top to bottom in one season! Cut the guy some slack

[Medilloni 6]

6?? What's this now?

We could give the blades names, like the leading edge could be McLaren/Ferrari, those bringing up the rear could be Midland etc. For those that shave the rear, Ferrari can be there first

[FUschumi 0]

There are a lot of things to learn from Schumi.

First of all, Alonso must learn from the following video first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4gIQVcA1vg

Then compare with Senna.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7__-hESRD0g

Then apply on track.

Done!

Go Go, Schumi Junior!

[DOF_power 0]

Michael earnt his no.1 status through many different criteria.

The criteria was Willi Webber's dealing of the contract and Todt's acception/blessing of the situation.

Alonso made the McLaren competitive (and brought them the money) just like Schumacher, but didn't received the apreciation nor status.

Ofcourse Alonso didn't brought the top 15 of Renault to McLaren so as to have who to work with, like Schumacher did.

[DOF_power 0]

There are a lot of things to learn from Schumi.

First of all, Alonso must learn from the following video first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4gIQVcA1vg

Then compare with Senna.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7__-hESRD0g

Then apply on track.

Done!

Go Go, Schumi Junior!

Those videos are irrelevant.

[Quiet One 15]

First, I have to respect a man that can stick his tongue so far up a driver's a##.

Besides that, I'd rather watch Lilly Allen, for the looks, or Woody Allen, for fun.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

There are a lot of things to learn from Schumi.

First of all, Alonso must learn from the following video first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4gIQVcA1vg

Then compare with Senna.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7__-hESRD0g

Then apply on track.

Done!

Go Go, Schumi Junior!

oh don't worry, he's done he's bit already..... intimidating what'shisname with excessive braking almost causing an accident in practise, this was so deliverate he got handed a penalty.......when he's been given a penalty deliberately braking to let schumie pass under yellow flag's....

I don't know if you can read properly, but this thread is about comments, how to behave...not video footage showing questionable actions....

[goferrarigo 0]

6?? What's this now?

Yeah they now have a blade on top of the shaver as well, for trimming....

[Jez 0]

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^ Schumacher demanded no.1 status and received it.

Alonso did not.

End of discution.

Even if he did demand it from Ron, I doubt he's the kind of manager to grant any such status unless maybe it was based on performance. Lewis's results this season would've ended that notion.

When James Allen takes Hamiltons privates out of his mouth I'll listen to what he has to say.

[kiko01 0]

Extract from James Allen on ITV talkback...

Out of the four drivers contending for the championship, who do you believe possesses that extra edge in the remaining races and will come out on top?

Tom Gibson

Warrington

It

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Quote ITV? James Allen?

Come on... say it. FA deserves death penalty. Brad mate i see your still frustrated for al the Sh#t Fernando made you eat the previous year.

HAHAHA

good to see you back!

[pabloh20 1]

We could give the blades names, like the leading edge could be McLaren/Ferrari, those bringing up the rear could be Midland etc. For those that shave the rear, Ferrari can be there first

The way they are going with blades, we might not have enough teams!

The criteria was Willi Webber's dealing of the contract and Todt's acception/blessing of the situation.

Alonso made the McLaren competitive (and brought them the money) just like Schumacher, but didn't received the apreciation nor status.

Ofcourse Alonso didn't brought the top 15 of Renault to McLaren so as to have who to work with, like Schumacher did.

Ok, I have several problems with this.

Firstly, I don't care who the driver in question is, or whether he supposedly has it in his contract, but unless you deliver on track, then you will not get treated as no.1 - simple. They may tell you that you are no.1, but you won't be. And considering how unscrupulous most people suggest Ferrari are, then I really can't see how people don't get that simple fact. For example, Irvine and Schumi both joined Ferrari at the same time, even if Schumi was supposedly no.1 by contract, had Irv been the better driver then he would have been favoured and he probably had the best chance to do it considering it was not 'Michael's team' he was joining at that time.

If Michael had a contract to be no.1, then his team mate would have had a similar contract saying they had to be no.2 - that a reasonable assumption? So how come 1 of the mouthiest drivers in F1, Irv the swerve, never bleated about it after he left Ferrari? How come there has never, to my knowledge, been any documented proof of such?

[kiko01 0]

HAHAHA

good to see you back!

Thanks mate

[kiko01 0]

Going back to the topic i would say a couple of things...

a) Sure FA has to learnt a lot but putting MS as an example shows the big d#ck head this James Allen is... If Ms would have had to face a situation like this i'm sure he would have done and said a lot of things.

I don't think FA is right to do or say a lot of the things he's doing/saying but Lewis is not exactly a saint and those who forget that this war began in Monaco when Lewis talked all the crap he did have no good memories. Yeah, now the guy talks about how good is the team but noone should forget that the one who created all this mess of Hungary (yeah, the one that could perfectly costs McLaren the WCC) was the golden boy. Summing up... don't make me laugh with such hipocrytal statements.

The good thing is that at the end we have 5 grand prix remaining and the fight is wide open...

[pabloh20 1]

Going back to the topic i would say a couple of things...

a) Sure FA has to learnt a lot but putting MS as an example shows the big d#ck head this James Allen is... If Ms would have had to face a situation like this i'm sure he would have done and said a lot of things.

I don't think FA is right to do or say a lot of the things he's doing/saying but Lewis is not exactly a saint and those who forget that this war began in Monaco when Lewis talked all the crap he did have no good memories. Yeah, now the guy talks about how good is the team but noone should forget that the one who created all this mess of Hungary (yeah, the one that could perfectly costs McLaren the WCC) was the golden boy. Summing up... don't make me laugh with such hipocrytal statements.

The good thing is that at the end we have 5 grand prix remaining and the fight is wide open...

What situation?

What did Lewis say to start the 'war' in Monaco?

[kiko01 0]

What situation?

What did Lewis say to start the 'war' in Monaco?

What i said... weak memories

[pabloh20 1]

What i said... weak memories

Ahh, I see - you can't remember either? I see your point!

[kiko01 0]

Ahh, I see - you can't remember either? I see your point!

Don't you remember the guy crying and moaning... The team didn't allow me to fight, i have the number two in my car and blah, blah, blah. (yes, the days when according to the British media McLaren was favouring Alonso ) If the one crying is Lewis McLaren is mean to the poor boy if the one doing it is Alonso the guy should focus in racing The point is that both should focus on racing but here it seems Fernando is the only one talking crap and doing stupid things.

Really, really weak memories

[pabloh20 1]

Don't you remember the guy crying and moaning... The team didn't allow me to fight, i have the number two in my car and blah, blah, blah. (yes, the days when according to the British media McLaren was favouring Alonso ) If the one crying is Lewis McLaren is mean to the poor boy if the one doing it is Alonso the guy should focus in racing The point is that both should focus on racing but here it seems Fernando is the only one talking crap and doing stupid things.

Really, really weak memories

I remember it quite well actually, but it seems your perspective on it is just as biased as the British media. The Spanish press is not much different, though, is it ?

However, I still fail to see how it would start a 'war' as such. I think if you re-read the press conference, as I presume this is what you are referring to, then I imagine you'll find that in the cold light of day, the statements are not what the media made them out to be.

Of course, you don't listen to just media hype do you? The only reason I said something about Alonso's comments on the 1st page was because I actually heard him say the 6/10ths statement thing and as I said, I can't decide if he's stupid or shrewd.

[kiko01 0]

I remember it quite well actually, but it seems your perspective on it is just as biased as the British media. The Spanish press is not much different, though, is it ?

Of course i'm biassed since i'm a FA fan but not biased enough to DENY that both of them are selfish and not behaving in the way they should be.

I don't believe half the things i've read in the spanish media in the same way i don't believe half of the ones i read in the british one. Funny how you tell me this but them you say the things you say about Fernando (it seems you have read too much crap and the worst thing... you did believe it)

Please, don't try to give me any lesson... many people has said me here i'm biassed but at the end i'm one of the few who is able to critisize his fauvorite racer. Please, read your posts once more time before telling me i'm biassed again

[pabloh20 1]

Of course i'm biassed since i'm a FA fan but not biased enough to DENY that both of them are selfish and not behaving in the way they should be.

I don't believe half the things i've read in the spanish media in the same way i don't believe half of the ones i read in the british one. Funny how you tell me this but them you say the things you say about Fernando (it seems you have read too much crap and the worst thing... you did believe it)

Please, don't try to give me any lesson... many people has said me here i'm biassed but at the end i'm one of the few who is able to critisize his fauvorite racer. Please, read your posts once more time before telling me i'm biassed again

What things have I said about Nando which lead you to the assumption that I actually read and believed media hype?

Here is your quote which I noted bias on -

Don't you remember the guy crying and moaning... The team didn't allow me to fight, i have the number two in my car and blah, blah, blah. (yes, the days when according to the British media McLaren was favouring Alonso ) If the one crying is Lewis McLaren is mean to the poor boy if the one doing it is Alonso the guy should focus in racing The point is that both should focus on racing but here it seems Fernando is the only one talking crap and doing stupid things.

Really, really weak memories

[dribbler 6]

I've never seen a robot so horny.

I didn't expect to read that here today.

Mental note to self - view said add and decide if Med has completely lost the plot

I've not seen that one, will have to check it out!

Porn is better, Paul.

I'm betting James Allen has a king size Lewis Hamilton Bed Spread and Pillow combo in which when he goes to sleep he wears a replica helmet to bed. His room with posters all over his wall, all of Lewis and a 5x10 photo under his pillow. In the background you will hear Montreal, Canada playing on his TV while he sleeps. Only to wake up in the morning to an alarm clock with the sound of Lewis' voice. I could go on.

Please don't. Allen is an impartial journalist, read some of his work. His job is to get behind Hamilton (insert appropriate joke) because that is dictated by ITV. He did it with Button. Personally, i don't like the man but he isn't deliberately biased. He is very knowledgeable.

Which helmet?

His yellow one........yuk.

The criteria was Willi Webber's dealing of the contract and Todt's acception/blessing of the situation.

Alonso made the McLaren competitive (and brought them the money) just like Schumacher, but didn't received the apreciation nor status.

Ofcourse Alonso didn't brought the top 15 of Renault to McLaren so as to have who to work with, like Schumacher did.

Todt accepted the situation on the understanding that Michael would fullfill his promise, which of course he did.

We will never know just how much speed Alonso brought to Mclaren but i would guess that it's not a great deal, not in terms of car development anyway. Mclaren are massively experienced. I don't see Fernando arriving with secrets that Ron and Martin et al haven't learned from the likes of Ayrton and Alain over the years. Lewis and Alonso are quite different in their driving styles (Lewis is a natural oversteerer and Fernando leans on understeer). If Alonso brought so much speed to the team, how do you explain the fact that both drivers are equal on performance? If Fernando had dialled in a preference based on his experience, the car would be suiting him more, wouldn't it? I believe the truth is that Fernando has brought confidence and inspiration to Mclaren and this is what he is referring to when he talks of the 'six tenths'. So, in a way his comments, whilst ill thought out, have been taken out of context.

Unless he comprehensively puts Lewis in his place, he will not get a preference and shouldn't get one, in my view. Yes, Mclaren are a team who treat drivers equally and they are to be commended for it. But i belive that if Alonso were demonstrating his perceived champion credentials a little more convincingly at the moment he would be being treated a bit more 'equal' than Lewis (a la Mika over David). If he can't grasp this then he is more foolish than i thought. I think his emotions have got the better of him.

[pabloh20 1]

I didn't expect to read that here today.

Porn is better, Paul.

Please don't. Allen is an impartial journalist, read some of his work. His job is to get behind Hamilton (insert appropriate joke) because that is dictated by ITV. He did it with Button. Personally, i don't like the man but he isn't deliberately biased. He is very knowledgeable.

His yellow one........yuk.

Todt accepted the situation on the understanding that Michael would fullfill his promise, which of course he did.

We will never know just how much speed Alonso brought to Mclaren but i would guess that it's not a great deal, not in terms of car development anyway. Mclaren are massively experienced. I don't see Fernando arriving with secrets that Ron and Martin et al haven't learned from the likes of Ayrton and Alain over the years. Lewis and Alonso are quite different in their driving styles (Lewis is a natural oversteerer and Fernando leans on understeer). If Alonso brought so much speed to the team, how do you explain the fact that both drivers are equal on performance? If Fernando had dialled in a preference based on his experience, the car would be suiting him more, wouldn't it? I believe the truth is that Fernando has brought confidence and inspiration to Mclaren and this is what he is referring to when he talks of the 'six tenths'. So, in a way his comments, whilst ill thought out, have been taken out of context.

Unless he comprehensively puts Lewis in his place, he will not get a preference and shouldn't get one, in my view. Yes, Mclaren are a team who treat drivers equally and they are to be commended for it. But i belive that if Alonso were demonstrating his perceived champion credentials a little more convincingly at the moment he would be being treated a bit more 'equal' than Lewis (a la Mika over David). If he can't grasp this then he is more foolish than i thought. I think his emotions have got the better of him.

This is the bit I am unsure about, Steve, as I said. Did his comments last year about Renault not helping him to the WDC help or hinder the effort? Did they pull together more to prove him wrong, or did he win in spite of it? Was it emotions getting the better of him or shrewdness?

The 6/10ths thing - is it a shrewd move on his part or not, I just don't know. I guess it depends on what he wants to achieve by his comments.

[Jean Todt 4]

Michael earnt his no.1 status through many different criteria.

Yep Paul. People don't remember that Ferrari was in ruins and it took him couple of seasons to get them to winning ways.