Jamie 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 How good was Webbers passing move on Kovalainen??? Kovalainen was heavy but regardless it has to be one of the most classy passing moves i have seen in a while! GO MW! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackgarrett 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 o yea that one , yea that was GREAT! its like senna and mansell but the outside guy was overtaking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanielB 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 It was a great move, and I loved the shot on the exit of the corner where Webber came sliding through sideways after the pass! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 It was a good move, but it must be put in the context of their respective strategies - Webber was fueled very light for his first stint and Kovy was on a 1 stop strategy - It is thus fair to conclude that the respective differences in weight would have been significant. Before anyone jumps down my throat Webber is not renowned as a demon overtaker in the mould of the likes of Lewis, Nando & Button - Monaco 2005 is a case in point when he took an age to overtake a struggling Nando only to be shown the way by his team mate Nick heidfield. That said, it was a very good move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyWeir 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Whatever. You can't handle the fact Mark is better than Lewis and Alonso and Kimi and Felipe. And Mansell. And Senna. etc etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Whatever. You can't handle the fact Mark is better than Lewis and Alonso and Kimi and Felipe. And Mansell. And Senna. etc etc In your dreams mate - Webber is a good driver I accept, but he was owned by Nick when they were both at Williams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 It was a good move, but it must be put in the context of their respective strategies - Webber was fueled very light for his first stint and Kovy was on a 1 stop strategy - It is thus fair to conclude that the respective differences in weight would have been significant. Before anyone jumps down my throat Webber is not renowned as a demon overtaker in the mould of the likes of Lewis, Nando & Button - Monaco 2005 is a case in point when he took an age to overtake a struggling Nando only to be shown the way by his team mate Nick heidfield. That said, it was a very good move. IMHO the situation with nando was caused by the fact nando was embarased by being overtaken by Nick so was far far more defensive towards webber. Just an interesting note about your comment "Webber is not renowned as a demon overtaker"... i believe this is because Webber almost always qualifies way ahead of where is car should be on the grid... this means he is almost always racing against cars that are fundametally faster over long stints, this does not make it easy to overtake! Check out this other awsome move by Mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrpyiP0Motc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Good clip, but I think Mark exploited a mistake by Kimi there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Good clip, but I think Mark exploited a mistake by Kimi there. not a mistake, just brilliant demon overtaking.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 not a mistake, just brilliant demon overtaking.... Mistake! If you note Kimi almost runs into the back of the car in front and therefore loses traction on the exit of the corner. You will also note that he understeers at the apex of the corner as he lifts off. I saw the mistake immediately but it may not be obvious to some. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyWeir 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Sorry, we can't all be as awesome as you. Forgive us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Sorry, we can't all be as awesome as you. Forgive us. Not awesome, knowledgeable and you are forgiven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 It was brilliant. Especially considering the BMW drivers who have a much faster package took forever and Webber had it done and dusted. More respect that Webber thanked DC for being a buffer for him. Webber's got to be up there with the top overtakers on the grid. In his career Webber has overtaken these drivers from what I can recall: Firman, Heidfeld, Raikkonen, Heikki, Fisichella, Trulli, Sato, Alonso, Coulthard, Klien, Barrichello, Ralf, Kubica, Liuzzi and Speed. Webber is a brilliant qualifier meaning he isn't normally out of position which creates less chances to overtake. Couple that with never having a decent car. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fed up 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 It was brilliant.Especially considering the BMW drivers who have a much faster package took forever and Webber had it done and dusted. More respect that Webber thanked DC for being a buffer for him. Webber's got to be up there with the top overtakers on the grid. In his career Webber has overtaken these drivers from what I can recall: Firman, Heidfeld, Raikkonen, Heikki, Fisichella, Trulli, Sato, Alonso, Coulthard, Klien, Barrichello, Ralf, Kubica, Liuzzi and Speed. Webber is a brilliant qualifier meaning he isn't normally out of position which creates less chances to overtake. Couple that with never having a decent car. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
V12 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Even Martin said that was classy stuff by MARK WEBBER! But Red Bull outdone Renault on stragerty, at least mark wasn't kidding when it came to passin him It'll rate up there with Sato's Move on Button later on in the race. Talkin about passes I was disappointed not to see any of Adrian Sutil's passes early in the Race. he Really gave DC a run for his money!!! great to see!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Even Martin said that was classy stuff by MARK WEBBER!But Red Bull outdone Renault on stragerty, at least mark wasn't kidding when it came to passin him It'll rate up there with Sato's Move on Button later on in the race. Talkin about passes I was disappointed not to see any of Adrian Sutil's passes early in the Race. he Really gave DC a run for his money!!! great to see!!! I would love to see Sutil in a Williams next year! Would be interesting to see if he could keep up with Rosberg??? (assuming Rosberg isnt sold to the highest bidder!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 It was brilliant.Especially considering the BMW drivers who have a much faster package took forever and Webber had it done and dusted. More respect that Webber thanked DC for being a buffer for him. Webber's got to be up there with the top overtakers on the grid. In his career Webber has overtaken these drivers from what I can recall: Firman, Heidfeld, Raikkonen, Heikki, Fisichella, Trulli, Sato, Alonso, Coulthard, Klien, Barrichello, Ralf, Kubica, Liuzzi and Speed. Webber is a brilliant qualifier meaning he isn't normally out of position which creates less chances to overtake. Couple that with never having a decent car. Quite a list, especially considering the cars he's had to drive and his great qualifying, as you mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 I would love to see Sutil in a Williams next year! Would be interesting to see if he could keep up with Rosberg??? (assuming Rosberg isnt sold to the highest bidder!) Sutil would be brilliant in a Williams, unfortunately Williams would have to buy his contract up as it was either Kolles or Phillips who said he was already signed up for 2008. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2//horns 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 It was a great move, yet its disappointing that we have to create a thread in dedication of a pass. We should see that sought of thing week in week out. But again, great move and a great day for the Aussie in his 100th Grand Prix. Hopefully (knock on wood) better things are to come! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Check out this other awsome move by Mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrpyiP0Motc That looked quite oppertunistic, rather than brave, and I can't really see any big error from Kimi - so a good clean pass! But then again overtaking ain't everything, if Mark Webber was as good as an Alonso or Kimi then wouldn't a top team of signed him by now? That's the way it usually works... Webber's Spa pass was indeed excellent, as was Taku Sato's... Now I'm off to hide under a rock from all the Webber fans! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goferrarigo 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Now I'm off to hide under a rock from all the Webber fans! And all the Australian fans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 That looked quite oppertunistic, rather than brave, and I can't really see any big error from Kimi - so a good clean pass!But then again overtaking ain't everything, if Mark Webber was as good as an Alonso or Kimi then wouldn't a top team of signed him by now? That's the way it usually works... Webber's Spa pass was indeed excellent, as was Taku Sato's... Now I'm off to hide under a rock from all the Webber fans! "wouldn't a top team of signed him by now?" Are you forgetting that Renault tried to sign him but he chose to go to Williams! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 And Williams were still a top team when he signed. They died because of how things got with BMW as Mark joined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 "wouldn't a top team of signed him by now?"Are you forgetting that Renault tried to sign him but he chose to go to Williams! I am forgetting! Still though he would be with a top team these days like Mclaren/Ferrari/BMW/Renault but none signed him up, so it seems they (the team bosses) don't rate him that highly - of course he deserves better than Red Bull! I do think top drivers would beat him though, I think he is on the level of Button... Now I'm off to hide under a rock from all the Button fans! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Argento Reloaded 1 Report post Posted September 17, 2007 Whatever. You can't handle the fact Mark is better than Lewis and Alonso and Kimi and Felipe. And Mansell. And Senna. etc etc Best joke in years... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
