Poll: Robert Kubica

[AleHop 0]

3] Why did Nakajima said there were more people at a pre-season testing in Spain at a GP2 race ?!

What "skill and on-track entertainment" did those 99% Alonso fans see at a damned pre-season testing session ?!

One reason could be money but it helped a lot that it was a Bank Holiday one day, and Carnival the other one.

[Null 0]

And it's probably the only opportunity many of those fans will have to see any kind of on track action. It's like the Renault World Series here - loads of people get excited about the F1 demo because it's probably the only chance many people there will get to see an F1 car "in action".

[Piotr 0]

Great, we have a deal. I'll respect KubeeTZa as far as he keeps his nose out of Nick's way.

I'm sure he will. It's kinda hard to look backwards in those BMW's...

[Jez 0]

I'm sure he will. It's kinda hard to look backwards in those BMW's...

[HandyNZL 1]

Handy's (abridged) list of things that never existed, because they weren't televised live or for the full amount:

World War I

World War II

The Moon Landings

The Cuban Missile Crisis

Jesse Owens at the 1936 Olympics

Jim Clark Being Killed in an F2 race

Can-Am Series...aka The Bruce and Denny Show

A Tree Falling in The Woods

Development of the F1 car...(spontaneously assembled itself in 1980)

[DOF_power 0]

Anyway DOF - if you hate current F1 so much (which you evidently do, even if you are reluctant to admit it), then just stop watching it, simple as. Go and watch your F1 history videos and enjoy how wonderful they are, before technological progression "ruined" it all. And stop moaning about "bad this, bad that", "ooh it was better in my day" because, to be frank, it makes you come across as a grumpy, argumentative old man. Yes, it MAY have been better - but today is not 30 years ago - today is today. Today will NEVER be 30 years ago. 30 years ago is what shaped the "horrors" of today! So LET GO and ACCEPT you'll never get your precious history back!

Technological progression ruined it.

Hello I'm the one that's been complaining that there's no more technological progress (minus the damned winglets).

I'm the one that misses the more technologically advanced than today's slick tires, (advanced) active suspensions, ground effect underbody/undertrays, movable wings, twin-chassis, turbos, V10s.

You have got it all wrong. The lack of technological progression or major breakthru innovation has ruined it for me.

What technological progress ?!

F1's, overall (with some exceptions) has been on technological REGRESS since 1994.

[DOF_power 0]

Fine. All of the above is more bollocks that doesn't prove or back up your points, again, it's just your opinion and the way you see things. I'll ignore the deviations above and ask again, one last time,

If you don't answer it straight, I'll know you live by the info you find on the 'net.

Edit: And on why fans watch F1, why don't you start the thread that questions why they do? I'll show my arse in Burton's window if you're not proved horrifyingly wrong. I double dog dare you

I'm not gonna bother with the Flat Earth guys anymore.

I'll repeat it once again, whatever it was it was darkness, Fangio, Clark and Co. never existed.

[raw 0]

Technological progression ruined it.

Hello I'm the one that's been complaining that there's no more technological progress (minus the damned winglets).

I'm the one that misses the more technologically advanced than today's slick tires, (advanced) active suspensions, ground effect underbody/undertrays, movable wings, twin-chassis, turbos, V10s.

You have got it all wrong. The lack of technological progression or major breakthru innovation has ruined it for me.

What technological progress ?!

F1's, overall (with some exceptions) has been on technological REGRESS since 1994.

technical progress is consistently going upwards in f1. Those things you mentioned are not breakthrough and innovative (neither now neither in the late 80's). It's all only about development of known technologies for a specific purpose - racing in this case. The only difference is within the rules that define which area can they develop and which not.

[Medilloni 6]

I'm not gonna bother with the Flat Earth guys anymore.

I'll repeat it once again, whatever it was it was darkness, Fangio, Clark and Co. never existed.

Flat Earth is often used in a context to describe somone that refuses to look other than where their comfy slippers are. Has it occurred to you that maybe you're appearing like that? Times change, and whilst it's your prerogative, harking back to the 'good old days' in virtually every post you make is completely non-productive - and downright boring.

And......

So, the darkness. Have you based your opinions on the fact that you were around to witness TV coverage in the UK in the 60's or not?

If you don't answer it straight, I'll know you live by the info you find on the 'net.

Well, I'm a bit disappointed DOF. I thought you of all people would have answered a straight question with a straight answer - that's why I've been like a dog with a bone with this, now I know the answer.

You're a clever guy DOF, aint it time to move on? You have a great deal of knowledge, enthusiasm for everything technical, a great way of explaining technical 'speak' in layman's language and the ability to really help and enthuse some of the younger people on here. Why waste it?

Peace.

[Fernando 0]

I believe in Kubica.

I watched him closely when he raced the World Series with Epsilon Euskadi team and I knew he would get far.The kid has got talent.I believe he'll win one race this season.

[Kati 0]

I'm sure he will. It's kinda hard to look backwards in those BMW's...

was kinda implicit i meant out of track, wasn't it? it's kinda hard to look backwards w that head configuration at ANY situation.

[Null 0]

Handy's (abridged) list of things that never existed, because they weren't televised live or for the full amount:

Development of the F1 car...(spontaneously assembled itself in 1980)

[Max Mosley 2]

technical progress is consistently going upwards in f1. Those things you mentioned are not breakthrough and innovative (neither now neither in the late 80's). It's all only about development of known technologies for a specific purpose - racing in this case. The only difference is within the rules that define which area can they develop and which not.

Yup. Great post. It is obvious that you know something about real science, unlike most posters!

[DOF_power 0]

The most advanced cars were the 1992/1993 active rides.

If there are people that think otherwise then they really don't know what they're talking about.

Banning active suspensions, ABC, TC, LC automated CVTs, slicks, ground effects, turbos, V10s, berylium-aluminium alloy, electro-magnetic valve systems, ground effects, twin-chassis, fuel additives, tyre compounds IS NOT GOING forward, IT'S GOING BACKWARDS/ REGRESS.

The suspension we have today cannot hold a candle to the advanced active suspensions of 1992/1993, nor do these far more expensive semiautos against the automated CVT tested in '93.

All of these technologies would have taken F1 forward, but they were banned because this isn't GP racing anymore it's the F1 Circus PR B*.

[Max Mosley 2]

Nope. There is technology used now that was not used in the past. The computational fluid dynamics work that every team does now is a good example because it's a really difficult area of science, unlike a lot of the "innovations" you mention, like slick tyres. Likewise the strategy simulations done now are quite sophisticated.

[Jean Todt 4]

I didnt Know Kubica was a Poll

[Quiet One 15]

I didnt Know Kubica was a Poll

Too funny!

[raw 0]

The most advanced cars were the 1992/1993 active rides.

If there are people that think otherwise then they really don't know what they're talking about.

Banning active suspensions, ABC, TC, LC automated CVTs, slicks, ground effects, turbos, V10s, berylium-aluminium alloy, electro-magnetic valve systems, ground effects, twin-chassis, fuel additives, tyre compounds IS NOT GOING forward, IT'S GOING BACKWARDS/ REGRESS.

The suspension we have today cannot hold a candle to the advanced active suspensions of 1992/1993, nor do these far more expensive semiautos against the automated CVT tested in '93.

All of these technologies would have taken F1 forward, but they were banned because this isn't GP racing anymore it's the F1 Circus PR B*.

To be honest you seem like you don't really know what you're talking about. Systems similar(and much more advanced) to those used in F1 active suspensions are widely used in shipping, air force etc. I've been recently working on a system like that for a small boat. To be honest I don't see any possibility for a breakthrough idea in that area (considering F1). Personally I consider active suspension ban as a good thing cause it's 1 less thing to go wrong, it's cheaper to not have it and less dangerous.

Imagine what it would be like if the cars were totally unleashed. We'd have 22 machines capable of lapping monza under 1 minute and 250 mph+ and therefore we would need either a bunch of robots to drive it or kamikazes.

F1 is a racing formula so like in any other racing class there must be some restrictions. Remarkable thing is that despite such massive restrictions those cars are still going faster and faster (at least they were till 2004, since then FIA finally won the battle to slow them down). I admit that some of these restrictions are a bit pointless and stupid but you cannot say that it's all going backwards.

So to sum it up this sentence that goes like " I don't watch F1 anymore cause it lacks technical innovations ..." is pretty much nonsense cause there were no real technical innovations in F1 - those "innovations" were all invented elsewhere and then adapted by F1 teams and then developed further for a certain purpose which is making a racing car go faster - now it's going on in fewer areas than in the early 90's maybe but on the other hand this makes it more specialised and so it's getting almost perfect really fast.

Some people always tend to mock about the good old days when men were men. It's the same for rallying too with it's B group legend. I perfectly understand that cause if it was up to me, I'd make them all switch to 4.0 V12 with 6 Weber IDF's. I prefer mechanical engineering to electronics.

[AleHop 0]

I think I agree with DOF.

In those days every team could develop every aspect of the car as far as it was technically possible. There were very little restrictions on car development while tecnology was good enough to have brilliant improvements constantly. Only aerodinamics and wings were less eficient back in 1993. But full aerodinamics development has bring more and more boring races.

[Fed up 0]

The most advanced cars were the 1992/1993 active rides.

If there are people that think otherwise then they really don't know what they're talking about.

Banning active suspensions, ABC, TC, LC automated CVTs, slicks, ground effects, turbos, V10s, berylium-aluminium alloy, electro-magnetic valve systems, ground effects, twin-chassis, fuel additives, tyre compounds IS NOT GOING forward, IT'S GOING BACKWARDS/ REGRESS.

The suspension we have today cannot hold a candle to the advanced active suspensions of 1992/1993, nor do these far more expensive semiautos against the automated CVT tested in '93.

All of these technologies would have taken F1 forward, but they were banned because this isn't GP racing anymore it's the F1 Circus PR B*.

Fair enough, but you know why the engineers had to be reigned back - the cars were getting too fast! 1000+ bhp in cars weighing less than 500kgs is mind boggling and would have meant that F1 would be way to dangerous - The problem is with the teams. They have never been able to agree a responsible approach to reducng speeds in F1 and have therefore been forced to adopt FIA policy because they can't police their own sport.

[Jean Todt 4]

To be honest. I agree with Max for his efforts on Safety. I don't really care how some of you would respond, but I am just speaking my mind. Without restrictions on speed I am sure every year we might have seen an ambulance carrying a dead driver.

[Fed up 0]

To be honest. I agree with Max for his efforts on Safety. I don't really care how some of you would respond, but I am just speaking my mind. Without restrictions on speed I am sure every year we might have seen an ambulance carrying a dead driver.

[Jean Todt 4]

Piotr, you are not gonna take that are you?

I didnt say that!

I hope he doesnt feel bad or I really didnt mean to hurt any Polish guys here... I am sorry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5193948.stm

[AleHop 0]

I didnt say that!

I hope he doesnt feel bad or I really didnt mean to hurt any Polish guys here... I am sorry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5193948.stm

Was it just me or it reads:

Italian police say they have freed at least 100 Poles in Ferrari overalls "kept in a state of slavery" in forced labour camps near Maranello in the north of the country.

[Max Mosley 2]

I'm sure Piotr can take a joke.