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Mosley Vows To Quit In 2009

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Well, Graham, I'm sure you know I disagree completely with what you say. In response to NASCAR, if they were just given a budget of $75k (yes, $75k) or maybe $100k and raced over-powered Late Models (Late Models have pretty good variation), the racing would improve. The best racing in this world, in my opinion, in the history of racing I watched, happens at my local short track. There's a lot of different cars in the various series, but everyone does it on a budget (not a mandated budget, but since the drivers are regular guys who work 9-5 every day, they aren't exactly spending a lot of money).

I disagree that the less variation there is, the closer the racing is. In theory, yes, but on the track, no. ALMS has better racing between the Penske Porsche and the Audi R10. The Porsche is an LMP2 car, the Audi is an LMP1 car! They don't even race in the same class, that's how different they are. They have good battles because they achieve equality in a more entertaining way than spec cars: the Porsche is lighter but less powerful, the Audi is heavier but more powerful. It makes for great racing.

Sorry that I forgot about Zanardi, Eric!

My humblest apologies....

I guess I should also have mentioned the Andretti's and the Fittapaldi's too to be honest...

Maybe IRL will now get back to those heydays? They have the full focus of American Open Wheeling, and there are more road and circuit tracks being added, and next year Long Beach will be a full field again too. Hopefully they will attract more sponsors and have consistant fields of upwards of 30-cars - that's when we got ourselves a division! This is what makes V8 Supercars in Aus/NZ so popular - so many teams, and put them on the right circuit, heaps of action up and down the field.

22 cars with four or more retirements a race is sad when you think about it...and if SA disappears like Arrows did (which I predicted before the start of the season) then they'll only have 20-cars! And that's crap for the so called PINNACLE of motorsport.

I agree that IRL needs a few more chassis and engine options to spice it up again....but again, maybe unification and the re-attraction of sponsors will help this happen with more money flowing back into the sport. If anything, NASCAR should be looking over their shoulders once more with a slightly worried look of what might be in the next three years.

With Danica winning, and the unification having happened, the race series getting the press in this neck of the woods has been IRL - not NASCAR....

I could talk a lot about the future of American open wheel. The new car and engine come in 2010, so we'll have two years of Dallara-Honda hell. Next year, however, the schedule will be more well-rounded. Toronto and Long Beach are both confirmed for 2009, and if Road America isn't back I'd be shocked. New Hampshire Motor Speedway looks to hold an open wheel race for the first time since the 90s, and with Bruton Smith in control, I can guarantee they'll get it if he wants it. Michigan is also interested in returning. I've heard mixed reports about Cleveland coming back, but after the 1995 race, they deserve a date. I'd like Laguna and Mont-Tremblant to return, but I haven't heard anything as far as that goes.

I think things will start looking up soon. I think the Indy 500 will sell out this year, which would be the first time in a few years it did. There are already 40 confirmed entries, and I'm expecting a minimum 45. We could be sending 20+ cars home at Indy this year...

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Well yes, I actually support a budget cap if that's the best we can do in practice. Btw so does Max Mosley! :P

But really the main way it would work is by removing variation between the teams, so it's really just another way to (try to) achieve equal performance between the cars. That makes sense because cutting the teams' budgets makes them a smaller part of the sport, and increases the importance of the drivers, much like spec-ing does. Effectively it's a way to reduce performance differences, much like I'm suggesting with spec-ing. I think it would reduce innovation and research too, again like spec-ing.

I can see there are some advantages to your suggestion, but not enough to convince me. You are right that there are advantages in having equal overall performance, but variation in how it is achieved. But that can be done with spec-ing too. We could simply give drivers a car that has been designed to work equally well overall when set up in different ways - to suit different driving styles, or different strategies, or different guesses about the weather or tyre degradation etc etc. This car could even be tweaked so that the driver can opt for more power at the expense of more ballast, or perhaps he could ask for greater quali performance at the expense of race performance. The huge advantage of spec-ing (and preferably abolishing the teams) is that we can make the series exactly as we like.

Your suggestion comes with lots of disadvantages too. For example, there's a huge difference between capping a NASCAR budget at $75k and an F1 budget at, what, $200m? That's about a 50-60% cut on current levels, I think. I can imagine that the NASCAR cap would make the teams very equal in overall performance because there's not so much they can do. But when you have $200m there's far more scope for one team to just be far better than the others: if they spend their cash 1% more effectively it translates to a big performance advantage. I had a quick look at the current budgets, and there's no evidence that similar budgets mean similar performance in F1. According to estimates from F1 racing, Toyota spent 5% more than McLaren in 2006 but were no where near them in pace etc. Plus there are practical objections to the feasibility of a cap. But it's a good suggestion. Much better than the mindless blaming of Max Moseley we usually get!

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[quote name='Eric' post='248957' date='Apr 23 2008, 02:34 AM']Any post that talks about the good ol' days of CART and doesn't mention Alex Zanardi and Greg Moore... :nono1:

No, really, CART kicked a##. In those days, I was a NASCAR guy above all, but boy did I love me some of them American open wheel cars. I like the IRL alright, but dammit, can we see a Panoz, Dallara, Zytek, Penske, Lola, Swift battle? How about Honda, Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota, Mercedes lumps? And bring back a goddamn US 500! That was always an entertaining race.[/quote]

With you on that Eric. CART was a must-see and Greg Moore was awesome. Such a shame...

Unfortunately in UK coverage of IRL/CCWS is limited to an expensive satellite pay channel or a highlights programme at 4am, two weeks after the race. With CART it made the cost/setting up the recorder worthwhile. Nowadays, not interested. The only recent highlight was the infamous Paul Tracy thumping incident apart from that fairly dull.

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Graham, eliminating innovation is not the way to go. Innovation is a large part of Formula 1, and should be a large part of Formula 1. It just needs to be controlled.

Spec-ing will not do the same as an extremely tight budget. Spec-ing will make the racing stupid. If all the cars are the same, you can't pass.

And your comment about NASCAR, there's a whole helluva a lot more you could do with a stock car than you think.

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I don't if this "Murray Walker" character isn't Max Mosley or part of his family or part of his circle of friends or maybe works a PR/something-like-that employee boy trying to influence the minds of F1 fans.

I know some auto forums where there are guys working for a particular car manufacturer who would want to indoctrinate us.

I don't know how else to explain someone defending Mosley, and the [email protected][email protected] of the last wounded remainder of true motorsport (as 19th century europeans intended it).

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I don't if this "Murray Walker" character isn't Max Mosley or part of his family or part of his circle of friends or maybe works a PR/something-like-that employee boy trying to influence the minds of F1 fans.

I know some auto forums where there are guys working for a particular car manufacturer who would want to indoctrinate us.

I don't know how else to explain someone defending Mosley, and the [email protected][email protected] of the last wounded remainder of true motorsport (as 19th century europeans intended it).

:lol: Damn. Busted again! (And there wasn't even any entrapment this time.)

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I just don't want a porn star running the F1 show.

:lol:

I'm with you on that.

I guess others are not! :P

Mmmm... You just don't want a Porn Star, you want more than just one. :nono1:

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I guess others are not! :P

Well, I wouldn't mind a proper porn star running the show, because, if nothing else, the sponsor's logos would be fantastic.

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Well, I wouldn't mind a proper porn star running the show, because, if nothing else, the sponsor's logos would be fantastic.

Paris and Pamela arguing about their sizes on the pitwall! ooooh! :naughty:

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Mmmm... You just don't want a Porn Star, you want more than just one. :nono1:

We need a Spanish pornstar for some more salsa....that would be you? :rolleyes:

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I don't care whether a porn star runs the F1 or not.

What I certainly would not want is Max Mosley running the porn business because no actor would be able to get even close to the actress' tail and films will be boring with no action whatsoever!

Let's keep Mosley as head of the FIA! Max, don't mess with the porn business!!!

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What I certainly would not want is Max Mosley running the porn business because no actor would be able to get even close to the actress' tail and films will be boring with no action whatsoever!

Yes, we don't want porn on a budget and crappy films. :nono1:

We rather ask Flavio. :rolleyes:

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Again, Mosley's private life has an impact on his profession, hence he must leave.

Mosley makes first public appearance

By David Evans Thursday, April 24th 2008, 15:29 GMT

FIA president Max Mosley made his first public appearance since the News of the World's story about his private life, attending last night's Jordan Rally dinner with HRH Prince Feisal at the Marriott Hotel on the shores of the Dead Sea.

Mosley has so far declined to talk to journalists on the fifth round of the World Rally Championship.

He spent much of last night talking to the Prince and a variety of other WRC officials at what was reportedly a poorly attended dinner, with only half of the 200 invited guests thought to have made the evening.

Reaction to Mosley's first WRC outing since a brief stay on the Acropolis Rally last summer has been mixed.

Citroen Sport team principal Olivier Quesnel said: "We are really anxious about what happened [in the News of the World]. But, what can I say? He is the president of the FIA, so if he comes here, we are going to say hello. We understand that it is his private life, but the problem is that everybody knows what is in his private life."

Ford's Malcolm Wilson echoed those sentiments, saying: "He still has an official capacity as president of the FIA and we will respect that."

Another senior figure in the service park was not so keen to see Mosley, saying: "We haven't seen him [on a WRC round] for how long? And now he comes on the same weekend that F1 is running in Spain. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with our sport being held hostage."

Mosley is scheduled to leave Jordan on Friday after visiting the WRC service area.

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From good old Autosport

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Paris and Pamela arguing about their sizes on the pitwall! ooooh! :naughty:

Oh, that works in so many ways! :lol:

Yes, we don't want porn on a budget and crappy films. :nono1:

We rather ask Flavio. :rolleyes:

:lol:

Yes, the porn industry is about as safe as it will get, so Max would be wasted :whistling:

:lol: Yes! DOF would hate it. No new positions. No new toys. No innovation!

Oh, I don't know. There's some 'products' out there that eliminate the need for a 'driver' altogether. I would have though that was right up his street! :lol:

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