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[kup]

1994 Standings if AS be alive
1994 Top 3 in WDC if AS be alive

1st option is my vote, you know.

[pumpdoc]

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[nojvnof1]

Option 1

[jemstride]

I don't think so (sorry). Schumacher was pretty incredible in 1994 - unless he was disqualified from a race, or had a serious car problem, he won. Senna would have to come back from a 30-point gap. It would have been close and we were all deprived. Just imagine Senna and Schumacher head to head all year

[nojvnof1]

sadly that's all we can do.

[kup]

Funny thing for all:
Really MS had 92 pts and DH had 91
Trick for Option 3 (MS-AS-DH) and
AS must have 91.5
heh =)

[funkejay]

kup, on Sep 10 2005, 10:28 AM, said:

1994 Standings if AS be alive
1994 Top 3 in WDC if AS be alive

1st option is my vote, you know.

It won't accept my vote for some reason....... anyway, I'd have voted option 1 if it had let me.

[cavallino]

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Funny thing for all:
Really MS had 92 pts and DH had 91
Trick for Option 3 (MS-AS-DH) and
AS must have 91.5

Obviously all 3 would have different totals from the ones they ended up with.
heh=)

[Knight The Prof]

Benneton were using illegal traction control that year and Senna would never have made up the 30 points I think

Schumacher's 2 race ban was politically motivated to try and let Hill catch up

[kup]

Knight The Prof, on Sep 19 2005, 08:17 PM, said:

Benneton were using illegal traction control that year and Senna would never have made up the 30 points I think
Schumacher's 2 race ban was politically motivated to try and let Hill catch up

Benneton cheated in 94 (imho), and MS race bans could be same with AS presence.
i.e. to make more "show" for TV and let AS catch up MS.
... as i said earlier - let`s have all race results as it really was, and just imagine
AS is oke since gp5 Spain and he is racing as usually ...

[Senna]

kup, on Sep 24 2005, 04:40 PM, said:

Benneton cheated in 94 (imho), and MS race bans could be same with AS presence.
i.e. to make more "show" for TV and let AS catch up MS.
... as i said earlier - let`s have all race results as it really was, and just imagine
AS is oke since gp5 Spain and he is racing as usually ...

At the beginning of 1994 the Williams FW16 struggled especially in low-speed corners, was highly sensitive and twitchy, and the c##kpit was cramped and very uncomfortable.  Damon Hill said of the car, “I would describe it as virtually undriveable in the slow corners and in the quick ones it threatens to turf you off the track at any moment.  It is unpredictable”.  Peter Collins and Ayrton Senna were also convinced that the Benetton team were using illegal traction control…

Senna was on pole for the Brazilian Grand Prix.  Damon Hill was 1.592 seconds slower than his Williams team-mate in qualifying and lined up 4th on the grid.  Damon’s fastest race lap was 1.6 seconds slower than Senna’s fastest race lap, despite the fact that the Brazilian spun off on lap 55.  Beforehand Senna even managed to lap Damon in the race!

Senna was on pole for the Pacific Grand Prix.  Damon Hill was 0.553 seconds slower than his Williams team-mate in qualifying and lined up 3rd on the grid.  Senna did not make it past the first corner as Mika Hakkinen and Nicola Larini collectively took him out.

Senna was on pole for the San Marino Grand Prix. Damon Hill was 0.620 seconds slower than his Williams team-mate in qualifying and lined up 4th on the grid.  

Damon finished just 1 point behind Michael Schumacher in the World Drivers’ Championship of 1994 and Damon should have won the title but for the infamous collision.  Although the Williams car was clearly not the best machine at the beginning of the season, it certainly was at the end of the season.  Imagine what Ayrton could have done with it!


PS.  Damon Hill only had 7 points after three races in 1994, Senna had 0 points therefore Senna’s points deficit to Schumacher is unimportant.

Edited by Senna, 25 September 2005 - 03:39 PM.

[kup]

Thanx, Senna =)
on this "total-f1-forum" i totally agree with you ...
very good you noted gaps AS-DH in Qual and Races.
i just can add 1993 when AS was better DH on better car, and MS on nearly same speed car ...
=)

[Senna]

kup, on Sep 25 2005, 09:21 PM, said:

Thanx, Senna =)
on this "total-f1-forum" i totally agree with you ...
very good you noted gaps AS-DH in Qual and Races.
i just can add 1993 when AS was better DH on better car, and MS on nearly same speed car ...
=)

I’m glad you mentioned 1993.  Yes the Williams car was clearly the class of the field and Ayrton Senna had an inferior Ford engine to Michael Schumacher all year as McLaren, after the departure of Honda, was now only a customer team, the works units were of course supplied to Benetton.  Benetton got the latest spec engine with pneumatic valves; Senna would have to contend with springs and inferior horsepower but he made his feelings known in typical fashion:

“You only have to look at the stopwatch, under normal conditions, to see how much ahead Williams are.  Part of it is the engine – and I think the situation with Ford is ridiculous.  Its only chance to win Grand Prix races is with McLaren.  Benetton may win a race, but only if Williams and McLaren are out.  So, as it is, Benetton is stopping Ford from giving us a better engine, which is available.  It is only a matter of fitting it in the back of our car.  This is a ridiculous situation.  Benetton is damaging Ford by doing this and taking away some better results for McLaren.  Ford now has two Grand Prix victories and is leading the championship after three races with a car that is still well underdeveloped, with an engine that is well recognised as being at least half a second down on the other specification Ford engine.  It is an absurd situation.  I feel really frustrated about it and I just hope that someone at Ford picks this thing up and puts it right, straight away”.

The 1993 McLaren was so unacceptable that Senna reluctantly agreed to drive on a race-by-race basis, on roughly $1 million a race and it was well into mid-season before he signed a full contract, after seriously considering retiring from the sport at the end of 1992 and after having a secret Indy Car test at the insistence of his good friend Emerson Fittipalidi.  Nevertheless, Senna’s genius was such that he somehow managed to finish second in the world championship of 1993, ahead of Damon Hill in the superb Williams Renault and ahead of Michael Schumacher in the Benetton using the latest spec Ford engine.  He was also absolutely sensational at Donington in 1993.  In treacherous conditions and inferior machinery he embarrassed the other competitors:

Senna passed Karl Wendlinger, Michael Schumacher, Damon Hill and Alain Prost on lap 1.  Senna led the pack by 0.698 seconds as he crossed the start finish line having started the lap in 4th place.  Furthermore, Senna led 93% of the race with Prost the only other driver to lead a lap (5 in total) and Senna posted the fastest race lap time on lap 57, 1.350 seconds faster than Damon Hill’s lap which was second quickest.

Edited by Senna, 25 September 2005 - 09:49 PM.

[kup]

I have another "eureka"
1994 Top 3 if round 3 San Marino be cancelled (after saturday death of Roland Ratzenberger) and moved right after Italy GP at Monza ?

[Senna]

1) Senna
2) Schumacher
3) Hill

[kup]

Senna, on Oct 3 2005, 04:05 PM, said:

1) Senna
2) Schumacher
3) Hill

Yes, just like me =)
AS ~ 90 ~ 7 wins ~ SPN, CND, FRA, *RSM*, POR, JPN, AUS.
MS ~ 75 ~ 5 wins ~ BRA, PAC, MNC, HUN, EUR.
DH ~ 70 ~ 3 wins ~ GBR, BEL, ITA.
GB ~ 30 ~ 1 win ~ GER.

[kup]

For me LIFE has much more price than any REPUTATION, i mean USA GP 2005 (or Imola `82).
And as we know in both cases with Reputation it were many talks of cancelling current gp and moving it later in the shedule, coz competitors are too few or not ready to race (USA`05 and Imola`82 again).
I cannot believe FiA can start race on a non-boult-up circuit, right ? at spring `05 were talks of Turkey gp is not ready for F-1, etc ...

For me as a sport fan - too bad to see how sport becomes cruel business, and any 1 man has much less price than any business brand. Anybody is just like mechanical orange, not more. =(

[kup]

Oke, 1994, Imola, 30-04 - saturday - 1 man died, sunday - 1 man died.
If at next GP Monaco, saturday - 1 man died (again) ...
Do YOU (personally) like a RACE to be done or to be cancelled and moved later in shedule ?

How many death are enough ? 2 not enough ? maybe 3 or 4 ? or 11 or 12 ?
How cruel this world is ? How cruel we are ?

[cavallino]

How many people asked for the race to be cancelled after Rubens' crash and Ratzenberger's death?

[kup]

cavallino, on Oct 8 2005, 06:17 AM, said:

How many people asked for the race to be cancelled after Rubens' crash and Ratzenberger's death?

How many blinds i gonna ask in my way from Moscow to Rome ? ...