senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Has a nice ring to it doesn't it for an energy drinks company.This is what I think is happening.redbull and controversy are never to far apart it's just they work and it's great advertising and keeps them in the headlines.i believe they will get an ice only from most likely Renault remembering redbull have employed numerous people to help solve its problems.then either put there own machinists to work or maybe there is some truth to them buying cosworth.as the ice would be unbranded them complete the power unit like bolt on all the electrical crap in house.rename it a redbull power unit therefore enter as a new manufacturer this enables them to fix all the things that they already know what's wrong with it and take a bit step towards merc and Ferrari without spending a single performance token.then they would be given maximum tokens as a new manufacturer to play with during the season.redbull have made no secret they wanted to build a power unit in house.its only a matter of details in my opinion.i don't believe redbull were that stupid to think that after 4 championships in a row manufacturers would give them a power unit to beat them with it.i would say they have been planning something for a while.who knows they might end up supplying Renault if they ever do the Lotus deal.that would take Renault of f1 as an engine supplier then re join in the future and start the token s**t all over again.hopefully learning from there mistakes.by then redbull would have had the time to resource there own in-house ice.its a win win fir both involved. Don't worry every says I'm nuts. I may have over thought it but I'm sure some of what I have said will be revealed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Either that or they will muscle in on toro Rosso. As TR have hit a home run in terms of engines for next season. Like I've mentioned before, they took the b-spec Ferrari engine and now a rule is coming into play as of next season stating all b-spec customer engines must be the same as factory spec engines, so in theory, Toro Rosso will have the same engine that's pushing kimi and Seb around. Not a bad score if you ask me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Plausible but I believe Ferrari are to smart to let that happen there would be a clause in there Pu supply contract for sure.hey I just seen in the latest news Mario llien has said redbull has the potential to power itself in 2016. maybe I'm not so nuts after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Ohh no, it's defiantly do-able that's for sure, Ilmor worked on the Mclaren Mercedes engines back in the 90s I beleive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 He has all but confirmed they will use a unbranded Renault ice the question is do they use the ice as is or through machinists at it.cosworth could do that redbull know the inside of that Pu as much as Renault they made sure of that.they would already know what to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Problem with cosworth is I beleive they don't have a current engine that's at the 1.6l or what ever capacity it is turbo engine. If cosworth came in, it was going to be a v8 again, that was the rumour and apparently it was Bernie who said it. Like an "alternative" customer engine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 Its a very novel idea...they don't start from scratch and they can just tweak and modify the mother*&%$# engine till it fits their sleek aerodynamic chassis package... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 It was my understanding cosworth is an engineering company.what's to stop redbull taking the ice there saying here it is this is what needs doing here's some millions e.g ford cosworth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 It was my understanding cosworth is an engineering company.what's to stop redbull taking the ice there saying here it is this is what needs doing here's some millions e.g ford cosworth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 It was my understanding cosworth is an engineering company.what's to stop redbull taking the ice there saying here it is this is what needs doing here's some millions e.g ford cosworth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2015 No they do make engines also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2015 Still nothing to stop redbull talking an unbranded ice to them to work on.i have no doubt wether it be in 20016 or the near future redbull will power itself.they no for sure now there future in f1 depends on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2015 They should've just taken the b-spec Ferrari or Mercedes engine IMO, they seem to do fine for the likes of Williams,force India,sauber. It can't be worse than there current engine, but they wanted to be greedy, what gave them the idea that Ferrari or merc would give them same spec engines? Idiots, but if this new rule comes into play about levelling the playing field, then a b-spec engine wouldn't have been so bad, Infact it's the smartest thing to do. A b-spec Ferrari or merc engine is still quicker than a factory Renault engine, I also expect relatively the same performance next year also by redbull as I honestly beleive them getting Ilmor to help won't be much of a gain tbh as its still a Renault block at the end of the day and for years Renault has always had engines down on hp compared to there rivals. I think the last time Renault was actually quickest in straight line speed and horsepower goes back as far as 1995/96/97 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2015 True.but Honda,merc and Ferrari have only said no to a power unit supply Nothing to say they won't sell them an ice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2015 That's what iam talking about, the engine. No way would Ferrari and Mercedes sell them the same engine, it's just insane and I totally agree with Ferrari and Mercedes, why give up your adavatage? Redbull were just utterly stupid to just pull the pin with Renault and not have a backup plan, just insane, boggles my mind. So they offered the b- spec engine and they still refused. Now both offers are of the table. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2015 Guess we will have to wait and see.i don't think there in that much of a mess.making headlines publicity stunt advertisement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2015 There a mess mate, they won three races last year and were able to challenge for regular podiums, this year there even further back and having more engine issues. I think they tried to improve it and made it worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2015 I don't think Renault have listened to a thing the advisors redbull have hired to help them out of the s##t.I mean redbull aren't happy that they have waited till now to spend it's tokens.and by not using the latest spec Pu just shows there not spent were redbull would have liked them to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 It boggles my mind why they waited so long also, would t have you done it a lot sooner in hope of closing the gap and getting better results? They should have used them ahead of events that suited there car to try and give them some advantage. They might have won a GP if that was the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiral.out 0 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 Just pray to god we have a competitive champiosnhip next year no matter what happens. If Hamilton wins another one I will vomit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 It's not like the old days hey? When three or four cars could win a race at any event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 8, 2015 In the old days it was real.build the fastest car possible real engines.not little go-cart motors.and put the best driver in it.f1 has become synthetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiral.out 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2015 Well in the old days big engine = big power. Not really the case any more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmcee 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2015 Idk smaller engine now for sure but power out put not much different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
senna 4 eva 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2015 Give them 3.5lt v10 and let,m loose turbo or super charger no other rules and definitely no electric motors.engine designers must get pised every time they come up with a good idea the rules change or there is a rule to stop it in the first place.same for the chassis and aero guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
