Renault to get a B Team

[marina 0]

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Alistair Spink

Please can you explain how does Ferrari currently uses tactical situations?

You say Williams insists on fair play and the other teams dont? Why?

Ferrari wins at any cost - how does Ferrari win?

[webber 0]

I cant see why its just Ferrari that uses a B-Team at the moment.  Williams, McLaren and Renault should certainly use one.  B-Teams would improve all parties involved and if these teams happened to choose say, Minardi, Jordan and Jaguar

jag cant be a b-team because there backed by a motor componey

[Senna 0]

1)Please can you explain how does Ferrari currently uses tactical situations?

2)You say Williams insists on fair play and the other teams dont? Why?

3)Ferrari wins at any cost - how does Ferrari win?

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Schummie crazy fan

1) Ferrari has used tactical situations for as long as I can remember and I can think of so many examples that I could be typing this response until the dawn on the 2024 championship. To save some time I will summarise a few key points:

● Ferrari creates a tactical situation by not letting their drivers race each other. Period. This gives Michael the best chance of winning the championship and is an obvious tactic. Ferrari makes the second driver a slave for Michael to move out of the way for him whenever he is behind – Suzuka 97 with Eddie and Austria 2002 with Rubens are good examples. Michael has priority on every aspect of the team from mechanics to strategy to the use of the spare car – in fact Michael, when he’s not satisfied with the performance of his own car, will simply take Ruben’s car!

● Ferrari use Sauber as a B team (have done since 1997) to help in certain situations when their apponents are close by and are coming up to lap a Sauber - Monza 2003, Jerez 97 the list goes on.

● They contest their rival’s equipment and try to get it banned – McLaren’s braking system in 1998 and Michelin tyres in 2003 are noticeable examples.

The list goes on…

2) I didn’t quite phrase it like you have done but never mind. Williams does indeed insist on fair play. Their drivers have equal equipment, equal status within the team etc. This is because of Frank’s mentality, which is quite different to Ferrari’s. Take Monza 2003 for example. It was a crucial race for the championship; Gene gets to the first corner before Michael does (who is exiting the pits) with Montoya just a bit behind. Yet Gene is not told to hold Michael up, to back him into Montoya, even though if Montoya overtakes Michael it would make all the difference in the championship fight – After the race when questioned on the incident Frank responds by saying, “That’s not our style”. I very much doubt that Ferrari would not have exploited that situation. I think McLaren would have too – they try to win at all costs as well, and in that respect are similar to Ferrari. Take Suzuka 1999 for instance. DC has just gone off the track and pitted to get a new front nose and comes across MS who is lapping him. DC holds him up for about seven seconds and refuses to be lapped for a good distance, so as to extend Mika’s lead in the race!

3) Ferrari wins by beating its opponents.

I think I know what you’re trying to get at, only you sound so angry that you’re not writing coherently. Ferrari does indeed try to win at any cost and this point links in with Ferrari’s tactics. In Jerez Michael was so desperate to win the championship that he rammed JV off the road. I know that some of you will argue that that was MS and not Ferrari. OK. Take Austria 2002 then. Even though Michael is destined to finish 67 points ahead of second place Rubens Barichello in the championship and a massive 94 points ahead on third placed Montoya, Ferrari orders Rubens to move over whilst leading so as to give Michael 4 more points! Then there is also the fact that whenever they fear that another team has a technical advantage they try to get their opponents equipment banned instead of, as Ron Dennis said, “Rising to the technical challenge”. In 1998 they feared the McLaren braking system so had it banned. In 2003 they realised Michelin were the better tyre so they had them banned to, even though Michelin had been running similar tyres since 2001!

The list goes on and time runs out...

Schummie crazy fan – yep you’d have to be crazy to support Schumi

[nichosnz 0]

You quote Austria 2002, what about McLaren in Australia 1998, no driver had a points advantage, yet they still implemented team tactics to allow Mika to win, his second win and his second gifted win!

[marina 0]

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Alistair Spink

How many races has Rubens been ahead of Schummie?

How many times(when Rubens was ahead of Schummie) did he have to let him pass?

How many times did Rubens qualify better then Schummie?

Why didnt Rubens finish in 2nd place (instead of Kimi) and behind Schummie 1 or 2 points?

Suzuka 97 and Austria 02 - 2 examples in so many years?

How many times in all these years did Schummie take Rubens car?

Schummie has to have priority in the team because he is the best driver of the two>

Why does Schummie get such a high salary compared to Rubens?

Sauber B team used by ferrari - you give 2 examples - in 7 years?

Williams have everything equal for both drivers - How do you Know?

Why is Montoya leaving then?

Why arent the driver's salaries equal?

Franks mentallity - is letting good drivers go. How long has it been since Frank Williams won a championships?

[nojvnof1 0]

going on 7 years now!! Long live Jerez '97!!

shaun

[Senna 0]

Yep…Did you MS fans like that one?

[nichosnz 0]

As a Ferrai fan what I dislike most about the race is the fact Williams/McLaren fans justify the team orders at that race, and berate every single time they think Ferrari used orders.

[nojvnof1 0]

to be honest, I couldn't really care about the team orders thing, all I wanted was for Jacques to get the title, the rest was just details.

shaun

[TotalF1 Jens 0]

In all this we have to leave out Australia 1998, as far as DC and Mika and Mclaren are concerned, it was a pre-race agreement between the drivers.. but whether you choose to believe that or not is your own choice.

[Senna 0]

Non-Ferrari teams use team orders a lot less than Ferrari does. Most other teams allow their drivers to race and have fairly equal status within the team.

[nojvnof1 0]

Non-Ferrari teams use team orders a lot less than Ferrari does.  Most other teams allow their drivers to race and have fairly equal status within the team.

Thats why noone complained when McLaren dominated with Senna and Prost and Williams with their era with many drivers.

shaun

[nichosnz 0]

In all this we have to leave out Australia 1998, as far as DC and Mika and Mclaren are concerned, it was a pre-race agreement between the drivers.. but whether you choose to believe that or not is your own choice.

Why do we have to, non-Ferrari fans do not leave out Indy 2002, and that was just MS involved in 'providing' that incident.

[webber 0]

that was just a stunt 2 get fotos 4 and m$ just lossed out

[nichosnz 0]

The McLaren incident provided a lot of photos too.

[nojvnof1 0]

In all this we have to leave out Australia 1998, as far as DC and Mika and Mclaren are concerned, it was a pre-race agreement between the drivers.. but whether you choose to believe that or not is your own choice.

Why do we have to, non-Ferrari fans do not leave out Indy 2002, and that was just MS involved in 'providing' that incident.

That wasn't team orders, that was just one massive c##K up. M$ thought hed slow down for the perfect 1-2 finish photo for the papers. Rubens didn't catch on and passed him. M$ then knew he screwed up and said he wanted to make them dead level. That only made things worse cos he was trying to take everyone for a ride. He screwed up and couldn't admit it, again!!! Honestly, with today's sophisticated timing mechanisms its close to, not certainly, but close to impossible to get a dead heat. One only need have seen M$' face at parc ferme to know he was p**sed off, once he saw the cameras on him he started laughing and joking uneasily.

shaun

[nichosnz 0]

He did admit it later in interviews, he is just sometimes unsure how to act in the immediate aftermath. Personally with my observations in life and on TV, he is with the majority of humanity in this.