Renault to get a B Team

[marina 0]

Renault thinks that what Ferrari is doing is a good idea (Sauber/Ferrari), so they are seriously thinking of doing the same.

So Ferrari was accused by the other teams of doing something illegal, and after all it seems to be a good idea.

[webber 0]

well renault coppy every1

and who will they use Minardi or Jordan?

[Sato 0]

if they do it i hope they pick Jordan...we could use it (yes i know minardi could too.)

[webber 0]

i think minardi deserve it more manly because of PS and all so because thet thav been macking it on nonthing 4 20 years

all throw jordan will get it because they r the better team

[juany 0]

I agree, Minardi deserve it, but Jordan will get it unless Eddie tries to play hard ball at the negotiation table...

[Senna 0]

`B Teams` are good for the teams who instigate them and for F1 in general. They improve both parties. They are particularly good for the smaller teams who are handed a financial, technical and visual boost. Imagine if Renault made Minardi their `B Team`. Minardi would try out drivers from Renault’s Young Driver category and would receive financial backing, which would in turn increase their performance. They only problem are political ones, and how far these arrangements go, we would not want the integrity of the sport, or its rules and regulations been breached.

[juany 0]

Yeah, imagine if a Sauber moved over for a Ferrari... :shock:

[Sato 0]

Yeah, imagine if a Sauber moved over for a Ferrari...  :shock:

Jerez 97. monza 03 from memory are two of that come to mind

[nichosnz 0]

Were Williams the McLaren jr team in Jerez 97 JV moved over and let 2 McLarens past.

[Sato 0]

then i guess rubens must be michaels jr...

[webber 0]

Minardi would try out drivers from Renault’s Young Driver category

thay all reddy do

Alonso, Webber

[Senna 0]

Yes…but what I meant is that Renault would have total control over Minardi’s drivers.

[TotalF1 Jens 0]

Just as Ferrari can use the Sauber drivers. I don't really like B-teams - I'd rather see the teams bring themselves to the top. But I have a hard time honestly imagining the ideal F1 where every F1 team, through their own development, is a top team able to fight for wins at every race.

Jerez 1997 was a one-race alliance in a way. Williams and Mclaren were so flabbergasted at Michael's attempt to take off Jacques that they worked together to bring the three cars home on the podium. Jacques allowed the Mclaren's past - Mclaren agreed to let Villeneuve back ahead and make sure he got enough points if challenged from behind. It was a weird situation, but it uncorked what came to be H

[nichosnz 0]

That does not make it right.

[webber 0]

whats whith Jerez 97 was there a lot of c*ap going on there i wish i ade seen it

[Senna 0]

JV, Schumi and Frentzen all posted the same lap time in qualifying and thus the order of the grid was determined in the order of when the drivers set their lap. JV was on pole, Schumacher second and Frentzen third.

The first drama was who would lead out of the first corner. Schumacher made a great start from 2nd on the grid and took the first corner in front of Frentzen (from 3rd on the grid) and a cautious Villeneuve (from pole to 3rd in 100m). By the end of the first lap Schumacher was leading by nearly 2 seconds in front of Frentzen, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, Coulthard and Hill.

On lap 10 Villeneuve passes Frentzen and heads for Schumacher 4 seconds in front of him. Schumacher continues to pull away though. He pits on lap 22 whilst over 5 seconds in front of Villeneuve. Villeneuve himself is over 10 seconds in front of Frentzen and the pack.

Jacques pits on the next lap and just misses overtaking M.Schumacher after he rejoins. The rest of the top six pit in the following 6 laps. By now M.Schumacher is back in front less than a second in front of Villeneuve who is over 12 seconds in front of Coulthard, Hakkinen, Frentzen and Irvine.

Once again Schumacher begins to pull away, this time though Jacques keeps within 2 seconds of the Ferrari. Schumacher pits on lap 43 and Villeneuve on lap 44. Villeneuve is now on a charge. He closes up on Schumacher and finally dives down his inside while outbraking the German on lap 47. The Ferrari's front right wheel hits the Williams side pods, thrown off line the German slides off into the gravel - and sticks. Everyone watches Villeneuve - has the Williams been damaged? Schumacher is out, but could still win the Championship if Villeneuve does not finish in the top six..... Tense minutes follow as everyone realises Villeneuve is OK and still leading the race by over 10 seconds. Schumacher retires to the quiet of the Ferrari motorhome followed by a string of cameramen.

[ecapdeville 0]

well renault coppy every1

I think that you are new in F1, Renault always has innovations, remember the Turbo and the V10 engines...so I dont understand your quote.

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[nichosnz 0]

As well as the recently abandoned wide angle V, did not change the sport, but they tryed somthing unique.

To add too Alisters analysis of the race...

Coming toward the end of the race JV was leading the race followed by DC and then Mika Hakkinen. 3 laps from the end DC lets Mika past then 2 laps later on the final tour, JV slows down and lets both McLarens past so the finishing order in Hakkinen, Coulthard, Villeneuve.

[nojvnof1 0]

I remember watching an interview with Ron Dennis about the Jerez '97 alliance and he said that there was an agreement that because McLaren altered their pit strategies so as not to interfere with the M$ v. JV battle, Williams would duly tell Jacques to move over for them as a reward should they challenge him. The McLarens were extremely quick and had it not been a title decider may well have romped away with it. Jacques tried tactics at the previous race in Suzuka where after Irvine passed him he held up the pack so someone would pass M$. McLaren told their drivers to hold back and not interfere, as they were unaware of Villeneuve's tactics at the time. They were then made aware of a possible strategic alliance before Jerez and it just played out perfectly.

McLaren and Williams have always been closely related, but to compare them to what is happening between Ferrari and Sauber is nonsense. What is happening there has been over the course of a few seasons and was used against JV at that race in Jerez when Fontana moved over for M$ but held up JV for over a lap and lost him over 3 seconds before their second pit stop. Martin Brundle and Murray summed it up well when after Fontana finally allowed JV past, Martin said sarcastically " What engines are they running in that Sauber, Murray?", to which Murray replied " Ferr.. oh you're a cynical chap Martin...a case of champagne from Ferrari to Norberto Fontana". Montoya was also an alleged victim of this at Monza last year. The one off alliance b/w McLaren and Williams didnt involve any extremly dirty tactics ie. deliberate blocking and was a case of Williams rewarding McLaren for not interfering in the title decider, nor with either of the two teams ie Ferrari and Williams.

shaun

[webber 0]

well renault coppy every1

I think that you are new in F1, Renault always has innovations, remember the Turbo and the V10 engines...so I dont understand your quote.

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yep 2 years is nonthing compeared 2 the rest of o guys

[juany 0]

I have been following it for ages, but all this technical stuff I dont remember so I couldnt tell you who ran what type of engine when.

[nichosnz 0]

OK Juany in 1950 Alfa Romeo ran Alfa Romeo engines, Ferrari ran Ferrari, Gordini ran Gordini, Maserati ran Maserati. sorry I couldn't help myself.

[juany 0]

Oh, i see.

thanks for that.

[Senna 0]

I cant see why its just Ferrari that uses a B-Team at the moment. Williams, McLaren and Renault should certainly use one. B-Teams would improve all parties involved and if these teams happened to choose say, Minardi, Jordan and Jaguar, the whole field would become really competitive. Further more, if all the top teams had B-Teams I doubt they would be used in tactical situations which Ferrari currently use them. This is because if Ferrari tells Sauber to hold up a Willliams, Williams could then tell say Jordan to hold up Ferrari – that would soon stop that aspect of the B-Team as it is mutually destructive. Instead they would be used for information, testing and driver swapping.

Williams insist on fair play and that’s probably why they don’t dominate anymore or have a B-Team. I think McLaren waver more closely to Ferrari’s attitude but are not quite there yet. Ferrari try their hardest to win at any cost and that’s why they do.

[nichosnz 0]

I think McLaren waver more closely to Ferrari