Max Mosley

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About Max Mosley

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  1. Happy B'day, Graham Cracker

    Thank you all for the kind wishes and words. I need a bit of a break from the forum for a while but I miss you all, and your fine banter. Best wishes to everyone. Love how the forum's software would let most of that sentence through without tweaking! Sorry Steph. In my defence, I did try to email you a month or two ago but I guess it didn't get through to you. My email address is the same as always, if you can forgive me.
  2. Pumpdoc

    Very sad news. I've missed not being able to talk to Bruce lately, ever since his illness made it harder for him to spend time with us online. There were lots of things I would've liked to ask him, so I feel most sad about that. He was young, too, for this to happen. Nice to see I'm far from the only one who remembers him fondly.
  3. I actually agree with Jacques. The argument that anyone who gets more points deserves it doesn't work in F1, in my view, because it's not a normal sport. If Nadal wins Wimbledon (to use my old examples) then it's fair to say he probably did so because he was the best player. Not necessarily but probably he was. If Man U win the Premiership, most likely they did have the best players. Not necessarily but probably. In contrast, if Markus Winkelhock leads an F1 race, it does not say anything at all about his ability. So F1 by its own design is subjective and these debates about merit are more important than in other sports. Imagine if Nadal's sponsors paid for him to have a racquet worth $300m that was demonstrably better than Andy Murray's racquet costing a mere $50m - I think tennis fans would have more debates about merit then too!
  4. Senna Vs Hamilton

    Interesting thread. I don't really think there's so much for Lewis to change or sort out. Apart from himself, he only ever takes out guys like Massa and Maldonado. From what I know of Senna - and that's not much - the comparisons are not completely unjustified. Imho there are drivers in every generation who only care for winning and for whom nothing else matters. Lewis and Senna strike me as the drivers most in that mould. Both of them crashed out of races and into other cars more often than other top drivers. Both of them wanted to win championships but also to win dominant races, and to win in style - none of this "winning at the slowest possible speed" for either of them. All drivers want brilliant wins but given the choice between a solid second place and a brilliant win, Senna and Lewis would need the odds to be more stacked against that risky overtake (or pushing too hard etc) than any other driver they raced with for them not to take the risk. A few other similarities I'd note are that Lewis sometimes mentions religion too, though much less so, and both wanted to drive cleanly and be fair - and both were happy to cheat when required, unlike Schumacher, who'd cheat even when it wasn't. Both also felt cheated by the stewards on several occasions. I've often said these things round here and I still think that it's no coincidence that the top drivers tend to have those views. I suspect this is part of what Alonso was feeling in 2007: a complete refusal to accept not winning, or in his case, not beating a teammate. Needless to say, they are the leading drivers atm but look at Vettel. People are increasingly saying he's a bad loser, and he's winning more and more... If you want a driver to drive the current McLaren very professionally to 3rd place every week then Button is your man. If you want someone to get fed up and take risks, even risks that are not particularly sound from a logical point of view, then of course you want Lewis. Were I running a team with a realistic chance of winning in the medium term, I would far rather employ someone like Lewis and tolerate his frustration and lost points when the car's not good in exchange for his performance when it is.
  5. Bahrain

    Glad you made your very good points! In this case, I do tend to agree with Adam as well but you are right about those things. And we also don't know what's being said behind the scenes. Treating Iran and North Korea as pariah states doesn't seem to have done much for human rights there, nor in Libya. Countries that we maintain a working relationship with are usually easier to influence and it might be that the FIA is using its connections in Bahrain to try to moderate the regime a little. Of course, we don't want to go to the other extreme, like with Israel, which seems to have our full support to do far worse things than Bahrain has been doing.
  6. What Did You Learn From Monaco?

    EJ is a legend. I'd like to have someone interview him and find out about his experience of F1 as a team boss. Think it would be fascinating.
  7. Monaco

  8. Monaco

    *deletes daft joke that doesn't work* So erm what else to say. Can someone start a poll on whether or not Massa and Maldonado are frigging stupid drivers?
  9. That'S All Folks

    Hope you come back, Cav. I always enjoy your forthright and very intelligent posts. Our prophet will be sorely missed until his return, like Jesus!
  10. Monaco

    OK, I'll stop then too. Maybe I'll PM you at some point to discuss a few other things. Good to see you mate! That's an interesting point. I actually like it if they're letting their drivers air their feelings a bit more - but I certainly take your point that their minders never actually seem to do anything. Brundle made a comment in the race about how it's a good job when you radio your team as a driver you don't get put on hold in a call centre. That and Lewis's comments got me thinking about post-race interviews being a bit like PR-friendly call centres. I started daydreaming about David Coulthard interviewing Jenson after a race: DC: Hey Jenson, did you enjoy that race? JB: Hello, Jenson Button at Vodafone McLaren Mercedes here. May I take your name please? DC: Well... alright... it's David Coulthard at the BBC. We've been friends for years. JB: Hello, David Coulthard at the BBC. I know we've been friends for years but my Vodafone McLaren Mercedes contract expressly forbids honesty whilst on camera. DC: Ah yes I remember that! Hmm so... erm... with that in mind, you must have thought the team did a *cough* great job to give you a car that Mark Webber could barely keep up with in his B-spec Toro Rosso? JB: Let me say first that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes may record our conversation, for training purposes only. No personal details will be shared except with our commercial partners. DC: No worries. Did your tyres last well today Jenson? JB: Btw did you know that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes make telephones? Look I have one here for you. It's a Vodafone phone. Would you be interested in a special offer, exclusive to any paying customer? DC: No. What did you think about Alonso's race pace today? JB: Are you sure you don't want to talk about Vodafone? It's good to talk. Whoops, omg wrong slogan - and I'm normally pretty smooth once I get dialed in. Besides, British Telecom don't even have an F1 team. Everyone knows Vodafone McLaren Mercedes make the best phones in F1. DC: But Ferrari don't make phones. JB: *fingers in ears* Vodafone Vodafone Vodafone! Go on, ask me a question about phones. I dare you. I've got a script here just for that. Go on - I'm on a performance related bonus: ten pounds for a win, twenty for plugging Vodafone McLaren Mercedes. DC: God! This is ridiculous. You've not let me mention Red Bull's softdrinks yet. You know the game "paper scissors stones"? JB: Yeah of course! You and me play that all the time in Monaco. DC: Yep. And "softdrink" beats "cell phone" every time.
  11. Monaco

    Needless to say, I see it a bit differently. I think the difference of opinion is about the context in which things are said. I've only made one post (before this one) today and it said that Lewis might regret some of the rash things he did and said today, which I think is fair enough for anyone. I went on to defend Lewis, to some extent because of your comments. In the last 24 hours, from memory, I think you've called Lewis a "clown", "the most despicable person on the grid", "a drunken truck driver" and said he needs to "grow up". So in that context, yes I'm inclined to defend him a little and put any mistakes into perspective. To be perfectly honest, I think someone should punt Massa and Maldonado into the barriers every race. Likewise, my comments about Alonso were said in a specific context. I never said he's a bad person, or even a bad driver. In fact I've usually talked about him as Lewis's main rival, as Lewis himself does. My criticism of him was said in response to the way his fans portray him. Sure, I mock his six tenths claim but not because he's the only sportsman ever to say such a daft thing: rather, I mock it because his fans actually take it half-seriously. I know you will deny it but there are plenty of posts on here that claim he's the main reason Renault ever won a championship! And of course, the same applies to all the other criticisms I make. I can't remember another set of fans who've built their man up into some kind of moral saviour the way his do. Even when his own emails showed that he'd cheated, they still denied it. And yes, we went on about his counter-productive comments about his team but not because we hate Alonso: it was because his fans make out that he is the best driver at motivating his team, so it seems obvious that his conduct would come under greater scrutiny. I've often felt quite sorry for him. I genuinely like the guy and wish he'd speak his mind more. But a lot of his fans (not you or Alex) were new to the sport and took everything he said literally. And for me you got drawn into that because you always try to make out that all fans are equal in expertise, even when clearly some are earlier in their learning curve. And as a sort of aside, I don't like to get hung up about double standards. I prefer Hamilton and - in the context of a sport - don't really feel the need to always be fair, or to shed a tear for every Hugo Chavez-sponsored pay driver to get in his way. And while writing this, I have felt more sympathy for Hamilton. His comments about race were just because he felt "got at" or unfairly treated, imho. And in his life, no doubt he has often felt that way related to his race. For every racism-related incident we've heard about involving him, no doubt there have been 5 we haven't. People also make fun of his relationship with his father in a very personal way, and mocking someone's family can be more hurtful. Likewise, his friendship with Ron Dennis has been ridiculed, and his start at McLaren. And his style of driving - imho a good thing more often than not - inevitably leads him to being questioned by the stewards more than most drivers, who all too often seem to just settle for a Sunday afternoon drive to collect whatever points they end up with.
  12. Monaco

    And because Hamilton is beating Button. I don't think it's over just yet. This was a real mess up by McLaren but anything can happen over the rest of the season. If their race pace in Barcelona was genuine and can be replicated at most circuits then there's still a chance they can catch Vettel in the WDC. I think Ferrari's championship is probably over, though, unless they have a big development in the works. If anyone else had said it, I'd probably agree, but Lewis is always right. Certainly I think Lewis was speaking (and driving) more out of frustration than good judgement today... but so what. I'm sure we've all said and done things we've later regretted. Actually a lot of his points I agree with: as a fan of a sport (not a UN convention on human rights), I want to see people trying (and sometimes failing) to make a pass; I want to see some emotion (even if that means they sometimes let their anger or frustration show); and I agree with him that F1 is increasingly sanitised and set up to penalise anyone who drives like the heroes of old. Presumably if we're going to condemn Lewis for being a bit rash today, we can all agree that Ayrton Senna was a "despicable" human being for punching his fellow drivers for out-qualifying him or unlapping themselves. And about the racism comment again, yes I agree with you that it was a bit silly. But (and I'm not talking about you so much here) few people are quicker than the Alonso fans to cry racism or unfairness when there is none.
  13. Monaco

    A very interesting post! I think it's marred only by its excessive reasonableness - no irony intended! All the best points are hidden deep within so as not to be noticed by anyone who disagrees, and who therefore ought to read them. The point about racists being victims of their own circumstances is an excellent one, for example. I'd go a little further and say that we all fall into the traps of our time, which I think is what you were saying anyway. We all now say very casually that slavery is wrong - and I believe it is - without troubling ourselves to consider that our livelihoods no longer depend upon it. After all, modern technology allows us to ship the produce rather than the slaves around the world: we can leave our labourers in China, pay them a dollar a day and pat ourselves on the back for being so enlightened. Regarding your main point about generations, again I would say the same thing but maybe a bit more so - and definitely less nicely! Imho new generations almost always progress and improve on their predecessors. They do this not only through more knowledge/skills/technology/tools having been accumulated, but also through actually being better educated, smarter, more tolerant etc. Evolution (very) probably only plays a negligible role between generations but improved healthcare, nutrition and education most likely have made us smarter imho. Children are indoctrinated with the views we wish we'd inherited - they're usually more tolerant and fairer values than previous generations held. And there is simply no contest in terms of education: I'd wager that even in a stable, developed country like Britain, the average 14 year old is better educated than the average adult now. It's nothing new for the news to make out that young people today <insert negative stereotype>. Older generations find it comforting to be able to pass on their "wisdom" and to worry about the yoof of today. When you're old enough, George, lad, you will find time to read Shakespeare and d#ckens and therein will you find the timeless views of one generation on the next: they're always rushing headlong into one thing and then the next, never persevering or concentrating on anything. Whilst of course it's good that older generations do express their concerns and views, because they have a lot of experience and wisdom to pass on, it would be even better if they also accepted more (or, indeed, any) advice from younger people. Almost every historical example of what is now considered progress would have happened sooner had they done so.
  14. Driver Of The Day Barcelona

    Very interesting article. Tbh I don't think Mark Hughes has got it right though. My suggestion is that maybe there are trade-offs you can make in the design of a car that give you more downforce or better tyre usage during the race, but not both at the same time. This seems more likely to me than Hughes's idea that Red Bull have too much downforce(!), and that the theoretical maximum speed possible with these tyres is precisely the speed McLaren race at. Adrian Newey just refuses to compromise on his designs. We've seen it time and time again with his cars being fast at the expense of reliability or getting KERS working. Imho he's probably also designed a car that has great "traditional" aerodynamics without allowing the constraints of the new tyres to interfere with his beloved downforce. We know that McLaren, on the other hand, spent a lot of time studying the new tyres - even delaying the launch of their new car until after running last year's car with this year's tyres at the first pre-season test to better understand the new tyres' characteristics. The quotes in Mark Hughes's article seem consistent with this explanation too. And Martin Whitmarsh seems to hint at this here as well.
  15. Driver Of The Day Barcelona

    Does anyone else think that Vettel is just not that good? Hamilton would never have gotten so close if Webber had been in that Red Bull.