If Vettel Wins Again, What Do We Think?

[AleHop 0]

You forgot that Vettel showed some great maturity from Spa onwards and was certainly the best driver the latter half of the season.He could've won all the races from then onwards if it was'nt for bad luck and Alonso sneaking in another inherited win or two...

Brad, inherited wins don't exist, never existed and will never exist.

Stick it in your mind.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Brad, inherited wins don't exist, never existed and will never exist.

Stick it in your mind.

Would'nt have been deserving of that 2010 title I tell you ... luckily this did'nt happen but he gained a title with inherited wins in 2005.

[Autumnpuma 0]

Your legends all appear to be historical drivers, some near modern, but all currently sitting around a cafe table, and not in a c#ckpit. So this suggests, to me, that you are looking back with some rose tinted glasses? Hey, we all do it. So is that what defines legendary? I mean to say, no one called Chris Amon a legendary driver when he drove for Ferrari. Nor did they call Gilles legendary whilst he was racing. So must we wait until their careers are well and truly over, or they are dead?

Historical drivers? Some of those I listed were contemporaries of the current drivers. All of which, I feel, drove some legendary races, thus earning, for me, the title Legendary despite not having won multiple (or even any) championships. There have been some legendary drives from some of the currently active drivers.

Dying, too, whilst no doubt tragic, also allows one to romanticise about a driver, that never continued their career until it was in the duldrums and thus eliminated their former deeds from the fans collective memories **, or went on to win five titles. We can romanticise that Gilles could have won five titles, and thus confirm our belief that he is legendary, because we think he could have done so, even though there is no proof that he may have. (** Schumachers legend has been tarnished with this "comeback", and that can not be denied...had he done a Lauda, well, that would be a different story)

It's your opinion that Mikey's legend was tarnished. I'm not sure how you can justify that. His racing was legendary years ago and his performance now doesn't erase history or his great drives of the past.

But notice the bit in bold. Clearly you think being 'Legendary' is a championship title count. I disagree. Our discussion should end there because we wont likely convince each other of our views. If Vettel puts in a legendary drive, he'l rank up there for me. For you, it seems, it's only about championships won.

It seems to me, that with your statement "one more or a dozen more championships for all I care" shows a bias against Vettel. If he did win a dozen titles, then surely, that would be legendary? Or do we have to exclude him because he is Vettel?

I believe I mentioned that Vettel's one win in a Toro Rosso was worth more than some Champion's title(s). Vettel has driven some Legendary drives. His status, for me, is based on those, not his championship tally.

And your statement regarding Prost "Unfortunately, most people don't see it because his driving style is so subdued. You have to know something about racing to 'grok' him" comes across a little as if only you know a secret about what sort of driver he is, and dismiss everyone else...coming across as a bit arrogant, especially the bit where you say "you have to know something about racing".

Now who's undies are in a bunch?

Anyway, the context was drivers' racing styles, so I didn't think my use of 'racing' in the next sentence would throw anyone. Guess I was wrong. To clarify, I wasn't suddenly broadening the scope of what I was saying to include the entirety of racing.

But most folks 'round these parts know something of racing and a handful know something about drivers' styles. You included. Not sure why all this 'you're arrogant' stuff is arising. What I said was true: most fans only identify Prost's greatness by his title count, not by his absolutely flawless driving. His beautiful precision of racing line and his absolute control of throttle/brake made him great.

About the only reason I can see for you to start throwing around the 'arrogant' thing is to set up for this:

At the start of last season you posted that Red Bull would suffer because of the rule changes with the double diffuser, and I, amongst others, said that they wouldn't as they had Newey. You wanted to know why just stating "Newey" was enough for us to believe that the Red Bull would again be a dominant player...well, we just knew, because it was a gut feeling, a "knowing something about racing"...yet that didn't sit well with you at all.

The difference is, I explained my thoughts and you didn't (at least at first). I always try to explain even my 'gut feelings'. There have been exceptions to that, but they are few and far between.

Too many people just cling on to the popular idea without thinking it through. I like to see that people have at least *some* reason for what they believe. I like to find out who is thinking and who isn't. Makes it easier to tell who I should bother to respond to on this forum. It also makes it easier to tell when I'm being trolled.

Now, have I provided enough 'color' yet? Can I have a cookie?

[Autumnpuma 0]

Brad, inherited wins don't exist, never existed and will never exist.

Gold.

[HandyNZL 1]

Historical drivers? Some of those I listed were contemporaries of the current drivers. All of which, I feel, drove some legendary races, thus earning, for me, the title Legendary despite not having won multiple (or even any) championships. There have been some legendary drives from some of the currently active drivers.

It's your opinion that Mikey's legend was tarnished. I'm not sure how you can justify that. His racing was legendary years ago and his performance now doesn't erase history or his great drives of the past.

But notice the bit in bold. Clearly you think being 'Legendary' is a championship title count. I disagree. Our discussion should end there because we wont likely convince each other of our views. If Vettel puts in a legendary drive, he'l rank up there for me. For you, it seems, it's only about championships won.

I believe I mentioned that Vettel's one win in a Toro Rosso was worth more than some Champion's title(s). Vettel has driven some Legendary drives. His status, for me, is based on those, not his championship tally.

Now who's undies are in a bunch?

Anyway, the context was drivers' racing styles, so I didn't think my use of 'racing' in the next sentence would throw anyone. Guess I was wrong. To clarify, I wasn't suddenly broadening the scope of what I was saying to include the entirety of racing.

But most folks 'round these parts know something of racing and a handful know something about drivers' styles. You included. Not sure why all this 'you're arrogant' stuff is arising. What I said was true: most fans only identify Prost's greatness by his title count, not by his absolutely flawless driving. His beautiful precision of racing line and his absolute control of throttle/brake made him great.

About the only reason I can see for you to start throwing around the 'arrogant' thing is to set up for this:

The difference is, I explained my thoughts and you didn't (at least at first). I always try to explain even my 'gut feelings'. There have been exceptions to that, but they are few and far between.

Too many people just cling on to the popular idea without thinking it through. I like to see that people have at least *some* reason for what they believe. I like to find out who is thinking and who isn't. Makes it easier to tell who I should bother to respond to on this forum. It also makes it easier to tell when I'm being trolled.

Now, have I provided enough 'color' yet? Can I have a cookie?

No...but you can have a racing car.... one that is apro-pro for you