Ecclestone - Klien is what F1 needed

[marina 0]

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How upset can one be. Mr Ecclestone said that Klien (20 years old) is just what F1 needed, for his personality,attitude and the fact that he speaks openly and gives his opinion.

Ecclestone reckons the other drivers are not like him.

I was under the impression that F1 needed good drivers and not good personality etc.

Mr Ecclestone - you need to retire, or keep your mouth shut. What about all the other drivers? :evil: :evil: :evil:

[rodders47 2]

I agree totally... Bernie has to go for the good of F1

[TotalF1 Jens 0]

I think Bernie is entirely correct :shock:

If Montoya were to leave F1, there would be no one fun left to do something radical behaviour-wise. Only a few years ago we still had Alesi, Villeneuve, Irvine, Berger, Prost, Mansell, Hill etc. racing in F1, and all were damned fun to watch and hear from. We still have Montoya, while Button and Webbo are also nice and jolly, but the real personalities are slowly leaving F1, and Bernie is correct in saying what he does.

Damned well have never laughed as hard as I did reading the practical jokes Gerhard pulled off in his day, not to mention the ones aimed at Senna

[webber 0]

I think Bernie is entirely correct  :shock:  

If Montoya were to leave F1, there would be no one fun left to do something radical behaviour-wise. Only a few years ago we still had Alesi, Villeneuve, Irvine, Berger, Prost, Mansell, Hill etc. racing in F1, and all were damned fun to watch and hear from. We still have Montoya, while Button and Webbo are also nice and jolly, but the real personalities are slowly leaving F1, and Bernie is correct in saying what he does.

Damned well have never laughed as hard as I did reading the practical jokes Gerhard pulled off in his day, not to mention the ones aimed at Senna

yea we need the guys that pull off a major overtacking move its good 4 the sport. and 2 be honest what i have heard of Webber he is a hard working Aussi that never takes no 4 a answer and we all so need them in the sport 2

[nojvnof1 0]

This thing with Alesi, Villeneuve, Berger and Senna, was that although they were big personalities, they were bloody good drivers. I agree with Bernie 100% on his call. Noone has the balls on the grid to tell it like it is anymore, including Webber, he'd rather brownnose M$ whenever he can rather than call things the way he sees it, not that way M$ sees it.. Everyone has too many hidden agendas and won't get to the issue straight away and sort it out. They'll hide behind smokescreens and backstabbing. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read that Klein called M$ stiff and arrogant before he'd even started his first race. It was so refreshing to hear someone voice their opinion rather than hiding behind it. F1 does need good drivers, and that it has in Raikkonen, Alonso, Montoya, Webber etc, but as for personalities, I think that if you threw a doorknob into the group of drivers, it would have more of a personality than they have as a group.

shaun

[marina 0]

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It was so refreshing to hear someone voice their opinion

If this is what you want in F1 you are watching the wrong sport. F1 is about racing .

[webber 0]

:shock:  :shock: It was so refreshing to hear someone voice their opinion

If this is what you want in F1 you are watching the wrong sport. F1 is about racing .

yes yes thats so right but if there fast then they can stay

[TotalF1 Jens 0]

Yes, F1 is about racing. But it's a damned good thing to have racers with personalities. I don't see the point of your argument.

[juany 0]

its not just the racing that I love, its all the political and soapopera type stuff that goes on behind the scenes too.

You can pretty much garauntee that every day there is some type of interesting news to read about.

[marina 0]

Yes, F1 is about racing. But it's a damned good thing to have racers with personalities. I don't see the point of your argument.

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My argument is - how can anyone who loves F1, which is all about racing, need to have drivers with a personality.

What personality do you like on a driver?

Drivers should be good and fast and make very little mistakes, that is what racing is all about, I dont understand how his personality matters.

[TotalF1 Jens 0]

Because F1 is not just racing - it's everything that goes on around it! A driver with a personality, also, is probably more likely to be the guy who takes more chances in the car - hotheads rule!

[nichosnz 0]

I don't need drivers with Personality, but it adds en edge, an area of uncertainty.

Remember 1997 all season people were anxiously looking forward to the next race of the MS vs JV show, but at the same time regularly knocked back by the (sometimes funny) outbursts of JV. He even got hauled in front of the FIA concering one of them. Pure entertainment and suspense on multiple levels, why settle for one level.

[hollywood2003 0]

:twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted: How upset can one be. Mr Ecclestone said that Klien (20 years old) is just what F1 needed, for his personality,attitude and the fact that he speaks openly and gives his opinion.

Ecclestone reckons the other drivers are not like him.

I was under the impression that F1 needed good drivers and not good personality etc.

Mr Ecclestone - you need to retire, or keep your mouth shut. What about all the other drivers?  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

You are right in one aspect but I think that Formula 1 now is so much more professional in that the teams not spend such big dollars on their cars and drivers, they want a workmanlike approach and a retun on their investment. In the past you could lead the playboy image and get away with it. Tennis, Football and other forms of car/bike racing have gone the same way. Remember the larrikin ways of Barry Sheen, James Hunt,Ille Nasstassi,Jimmy Connors,John McEnroe etc. I couldnt see them at sponsor dinners,ad campaigns etc without some tomfoolery,being drunk or mucking up!! he he. I must say that when Kimi is interviewed 1. He is hard to understand and 2. he is so monotonous. I would love to see someone put a red hot pocker up his trousers to see if their really is an emotion in the racesuit!!

[nojvnof1 0]

:shock:  :shock: It was so refreshing to hear someone voice their opinion

If this is what you want in F1 you are watching the wrong sport. F1 is about racing .

Hate to rain on you parade, but F1 isn't a sport anymore, its a business, and racing is only part of the package, like it or not. You have no idea what the hell you're on about. You're basically saying the sport is poorer for having the likes of Irvine, Villeneuve, Senna, Berger, Hunt etc who all had their particular personality. Why do you think F1 was so big in the mis to late 1980's? That's because the sport was full of people with personalities, yet at the same time could drive the damn thing. Personality isn't a must to be quick ie. Kimi Raikkonen, but it helps the package as a whole. The thing I want from F1 is close and clean racing from the best drivers in the best cars, but also I want these drivers to show some raw emotion, and stop kissing everyone elses rear ends and have a bloody opinion.

shaun

[webber 0]

:shock:  :shock:

It was so refreshing to hear someone voice their opinion

If this is what you want in F1 you are watching the wrong sport. F1 is about racing .

Hate to rain on you parade, but F1 isn't a sport anymore, its a business, and racing is only part of the package, like it or not. You have no idea what the hell you're on about. You're basically saying the sport is poorer for having the likes of Irvine, Villeneuve, Senna, Berger, Hunt etc who all had their particular personality. Why do you think F1 was so big in the mis to late 1980's? That's because the sport was full of people with personalities, yet at the same time could drive the damn thing. Personality isn't a must to be quick ie. Kimi Raikkonen, but it helps the package as a whole. The thing I want from F1 is close and clean racing from the best drivers in the best cars, but also I want these drivers to show some raw emotion, and stop kissing everyone elses rear ends and have a bloody opinion.

shaun

but if u dont kiss a## u dont get a good drive no matter how fast u r because if the team boss hates u then they will not let u drive there car

[nojvnof1 0]

I don't seem to recall Montoya kissing anyones a##. Nor for that matter Villeneuve. JV got in a good car by being very quick and talented and didnt have to kiss anyone's a##. Kimi got a McLaren ride in his 2nd season, and I don't recall him ever being overly kind to McLaren in his first year. Talent is hardly a neccessity anymore in today's F1. As long as he has $$$ and is a yes man, he's fine.

shaun

[webber 0]

part of benning an F1 driver now involves PR work and as far as i know jv did not do much

NOJVNOF1:

JV started last centry and kimi just does not talk but now in 2004 u have 2 be a yes man of have a lot of money

[marina 0]

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Nojvnof1

I do know something about racing, as I had an indoor karting track in Europe, and I can assure you, as a race organizer and as a track owner, I was never ever looking for personality in the drivers.

Especially when I had 24 hour races, my first question to their managers was where had they raced before and how many races they had already won.

It never matter to me what the personality of the driver was. F1 might be a business, so was my karting track, but still, personality was nothing that mattered.

What is the difference between f1 in the 1980's and now? The drivers were the difference, they were better then they are today. Not the driver's personality.

Raw emotion - how does a driver (that you are only watching on Tv show you this?

I go to a lot of different motorsports and I never bother if the driver has personality, at the tracks we all just want to see good drivers with guts and not personality.

[juany 0]

What is the difference between f1 in the 1980's and now? The drivers were the difference, they were better then they are today. Not the driver's personality.

I think you need to remember that every major sport is now a money making business and money is a huge difference between F1 in the 80's and now. Especially what the drivers expect to be paid and how the teams and sponsors want value for money with what they pay them.

[nojvnof1 0]

part of benning an F1 driver now involves PR work and as far as i know jv did not do much

NOJVNOF1:

JV started last centry and kimi just does not talk but now in 2004 u have 2 be a yes man of have a lot of money

he only debuted in 1996 and there was heaps of PR work to do. JV did do PR work. Not as much as everyone else but he did do it. Thats exactly whats wrong with F1 these days, the amount of pr you can do decides whether you get a place in the sport or not. I'm not saying all pay drivers are bad, but it's sad how talent counts for very little any more.

Marina,

how can you compare the business of karting to the business of F1. Yes karting is the start of an f1 career, but it's not the PR circus F1 is. Karting is where they have to show their speed and talent so as to be able to progress with the careers and attract sponsorship etc. Yes the drivers were alot better in the 1980's, but that wasa totally different era to now, when racing was at its peak with numerous drivers challenging for wins, podiums and not the same 3 teams. I too want to see drivers ring the neck out of the car on the track just like you and every other f1 fan, but off the track I just want to hear ppl tell it like it is and not hide behind smokescreens. On track, I 100% agree with you, but the problem is off the track. I ask you this, do you prefer someone to dislike you, but tell you to your face that they like you, or do you prefer someone to tell you straight out they dislike you? It's basically the same with the drivers. For goodness sakes, even the President of the FIA said we need rebels in the sport, and this is coming from the person who had one of the biggest off track skirmishes with JV during 1997 when JV discussed the proposed new rules as s##t and other comments. I was watching the 1988 f1 review and someone was doing an interview with Prost, and even he said too many drivers don't come out and voice their opinions on certain issues as they'd rather go with the majority. Now if these two think that's a problem, then i think there really is a justified problem. Going all the way from 1988 to now, its still an issue.

shaun.

shaun

[webber 0]

but did not JV do CART (INDY) befour he did F1. but a nother thing is most of the drivers that have come from CART have personatly (bar DA Mata) it must be how thay make them over there. and on the PR thing what im trying 2 say is NOW in F1 (not 96) u have 2 do PR and JV did not do as much as the rest and NOW F1 is a business and the teams have 2 please the sponsers so if a driver will not do PR then they should be kicked off the team and that was just 1 of the many reasions y JV got kicked out of BAR.

if u whould like me i can name all the reasons y JV got the boot

[nojvnof1 0]

name them, I'm sure I can answer back to most if not all of them. Just don't mention PR or lack of results as reasons cos they weren't. The reason was that DR wanted to clear EVERYTHING from the old guard at BARf, which included JV, plus Honda insisted that Sato get the drive alongside JB or else goes their sponsorship $$. Don't beleive that JV had a chance at staying with BARf, Sato had a contract which said testing in '03, racing in '04.

shaun

[TotalF1 Jens 0]

Honestly, that has to be the worst comparison I have ever heard. It is preposterous to compare a kart track to F1. I honestly, even in my current state of nauseatic mindset, could not fathom a worse comparison.

The reason, probably, that you don't see yourself looking for personality in drivers at a kart track is because you don't have journalists by the hundreds from just as many countries from around the world looking for an interview. You have no idea how boring and difficult it is to interview a driver with a boring personality. I've had my share.

There is no comparison for raw on-track talent, but the fact is that in the past drivers such as Prost, Berger, Senna, and Villeneuve did wonders on the track and gave us all a good laugh off it. It is all part of the large beauty that was and still is F1, though off-track in a lesser degree. Probably on-track too.

[webber 0]

name them, I'm sure I can answer back to most if not all of them. Just don't mention PR or lack of results as reasons cos they weren't. The reason was that DR wanted to clear EVERYTHING from the old guard at BARf, which included JV, plus Honda insisted that Sato get the drive alongside JB or else goes their sponsorship $$. Don't beleive that JV had a chance at staying with BARf, Sato had a contract which said testing in '03, racing in '04.

shaun

ok on to the list well u all redy took out 1 and 2 os we will start from 3

3. he cost 2 much

4. he was not vaule 4 money

5. he did not bring new sponsers

6. DR did not like him

7. JV is an up tight prick

8. he bitched 2 much about the car and the engine

9. he thinks he is better that every1

10. hes team mate was faster on most occasions

and 11. hes is well past hes used by date he was fast from 1996 2 1999 not 2004

and theres r only the 1s i know im shour there are some more that only JV, DR and BAR now about

[Senna 0]

part of benning an F1 driver now involves PR work and as far as i know jv did not do much

NOJVNOF1:

JV started last centry and kimi just does not talk but now in 2004 u have 2 be a yes man of have a lot of money

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GO MARK WEBBER

What ignorance! F1 isn't about PR work. Top drivers like MS and JV don’t need to advertise – they are household names. Secondly, it appears you’ve jumped on the Webber bandwagon. Mark Webber appears to be quick but there is no way of telling and I think he is overrated. He has never had a quick, experienced teammate. In fact, all of his teammates have been rookies with not even a season behind them! So all his teammates are trying to learn the car, track and tyres etc while Mark posts a time and everyone thinks he’s amazing. And don’t go on about Williams wanting him because that doesn’t say much – look at their signings since 1997: Frentzen (OK), Ralf Schumacher (consistently destroyed by Montoya and doesn’t seem to know how to overtake or race his brother!), Zanardi (A legend in Cart but didn’t cut the mustard in F1), Button (inexperienced playboy), Montoya (The exception – a really good signing)!