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#1 Senna

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 06:11 PM

Michael Schumacher vs Ayrton Senna


This is another old but interesting article:

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A fourth World Championship has taken Michael Schumacher past the three crowns of the late Ayrton Senna, the rival to whom he is most frequently compared and whose mantle Fate forced upon him. Without doubt the German deserves to be elevated into the heady company of men such as Senna, or four-time champion Alain Prost whose tally of titles and record of 51 GP victories Schumacher equalled in Hungary. But the question persists, when looking at their respective careers: has Michael Schumacher had it too easy?

Though neither of them goes out of their way to publicize the fact, former World Champions Alain Prost and Jackie Stewart believe that since the mid- to late Nineties there has been a dearth of genuine stars in F1.

After all, in Prost's day he had to vanquish rivals such as Gilles Villeneuve and Alan Jones; Didier Pironi and Rene Arnoux; Nelson Piquet and Nigel Mansell; Keke Rosberg; and, of course, Ayrton Senna.

Stewart likewise had to contend with Jimmy Clark; Graham Hill; Dan Gurney; John Surtees; Jack Brabham; Chris Amon; and Jochen Rindt. Any of them were as fast as Prost or Stewart on their day; it was other attributes that the Frenchman and the Scot called upon to beat them in the long haul.

The line of thinking prompts a question some may believe to be heresy. Has Michael Schumacher ever really had any genuine rivals?

"Where," Stewart once asked quietly, "has Michael's real opposition been?"

One leading sportscar journalist in 1991 bet his F1 colleagues that Schumacher would qualify in the top 10 for his first race at Spa, when he was signed by Eddie Jordan to replace the jailed Bertrand Gachot. Had there been any takers, Quentin Spurring would have won his bet. From that day onwards, observers began to realize that a new star had arrived. Back then Michael had to contend with Senna, Prost and Mansell as he learned his trade, but almost immediately he dealt with Benetton team-mate Nelson Piquet. True, Nelson was near the end of an illustrious career [...and was 39!] but it was a telling indication of Schumacher's potential that he was right on the Brazilian's pace straight away and only missed outqualifying him in all of their races together when he missed a shift in Adelaide [However, the most important fact, perhaps, is that Piquet scored more points].

Perhaps the most telling indication of all came at Suzuka that season, when Schumacher crashed very heavily in practice after trying - and failing - to take the notorious 130R corner flat out. Later, in the medical center, Professor Sid Watkins examined him.

"I told him that he had an excellent physique, and that he would make a very pretty corpse if he didn't slow down a little," Watkins later admitted. Asked some months later about the Prof's comment, Schumacher simply shrugged his shoulders as if he didn't know what the older man was talking about. But at the time his reaction had been even more decisive. He had gone back out, in Piquet's spare car, and gone faster than the Brazilian.

By the time that Schumacher and Ayrton Senna were in cars of equal capability [Schumacher had a vastly superior Ford engine, let’s not forget], in 1993, the Brazilian still had the upper hand, but by the start of 1994 the boot was on the other foot. The Williams FW16 was initially a difficult machine, spoiled by aerodynamic shortcomings. But though he was beaten by the German in the first race, and then taken out of the second, Senna mistrusted Schumacher. He remained privately convinced that he was running some kind of traction control on the Benetton. The truth of that may never be known [It was found that Benetton did have traction control and launch control but it couldn’t be proven that they had used them…so they got off], but what is certain is that Senna's death at Imola denied everyone the chance of seeing what Michael Schumacher was really like as an upcoming racing driver pitched against the very best. We will never know if he would have been able to do to Senna what Senna had done to Prost, what Prost had done to Niki Lauda. Without question Schumacher is now the best driver of his era, but we will never know how he would have compared against another established great. There will always be that question: was he really racing against drivers who were just below his own gifted level? And would he have been fallible had he been under sustained pressure from somebody possessed of Senna's great gifts?

There is no question that Schumacher respected Senna, and Senna had a measure of respect for Schumacher. But the two never truly got on.

Senna was the first driver to praise the German's performance at Spa in 1991, and he made a mental note there and then that this young newcomer would eventually be trouble. But Schumacher himself lost no time in being openly critical of the maestro. It happened at Interlagos in 1992 when Senna beat him into third place while racing in front of his adoring fans. Afterwards, pressmen listened open-mouthed as Schumacher launched into a stinging public criticism of the tactics that Senna had used to keep him behind. Senna was not amused.

A few months later, at Magny-Cours, Schumacher pushed Senna off the track on the opening lap of the French GP. The race was red flagged, giving both men another chance. But on the grid before the restart, Senna gave Schumacher a serious talking to about his tactics. "Good," Senna laughed later to his friend Jo Ramirez at McLaren. "I've got him so rattled that he's going to do everything for me by taking himself off." Sure enough, when the race was restarted Schumacher fell off on the first lap, again at the Adelaide hairpin.

There was another incident later that year, during a test session at Hockenheim. This time Senna felt that Schumacher had deliberately pushed him off the track at very high speed, and lost no time going down to the Benetton pit afterwards. There, he grabbed the German by the throat and screamed at him until they were separated.

Though they were both very quick, the two had completely different characters. Some saw Senna as the emotional Latin; Schumacher as the cold Germanic computer who never showed any emotion. Senna's girlfriend Adrianne Galisteu wrote in her book how Ayrton would sit and watch Tina Turner at Adelaide in 1993, bouncing around in his seat in time to the music before joining the rock star on stage as she sang her song 'Simply The Best' in his honour. At the same time, she wrote, Michael simply sat rigidly the whole way through, merely clapping politely.

For all that, each recognized and acknowledged the other's talent. Senna knew that Schumacher was his biggest rival once Prost had retired; Schumacher knew that if he beat Senna, he would be recognized as the best. Some, such as Lauda, believed the batten had already been passed by Imola, but Ramirez is scornful of that view.

"For sure, Ayrton was driving a very bad car at the beginning of 1994. But he would have beaten Michael, I'm sure. Michael was, and still is, fallible under pressure, whereas Ayrton was not. He had no worries that he would beat Michael."

And at the end of the season, after scoring his controversial first World Championship, Schumacher himself admitted: "If Ayrton had still been with us, I would not be the one wearing this crown."

And Prost and Stewart might not be asking their question.
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Posted 20 January 2006 - 02:18 AM

the relationship between Schumi and Senna has always interseted me. cool article senna
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Posted 20 January 2006 - 02:42 AM

Very nice read. Schumi has had it easy, then again, his cars have been very dominant (except 2005 and 1996). He has been able to exploit cars to their maximum and he has balls, taking 130R flat in 1991 was something.
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Posted 20 January 2006 - 09:58 AM

View PostSenna, on Jan 19 2006, 08:11 PM, said:

Though neither of them goes out of their way to publicize the fact, former World Champions Alain Prost and Jackie Stewart believe that since the mid- to late Nineties there has been a dearth of genuine stars in F1.

After all, in Prost's day he had to vanquish rivals such as Gilles Villeneuve and Alan Jones; Didier Pironi and Rene Arnoux; Nelson Piquet and Nigel Mansell; Keke Rosberg; and, of course, Ayrton Senna.

Stewart likewise had to contend with Jimmy Clark; Graham Hill; Dan Gurney; John Surtees; Jack Brabham; Chris Amon; and Jochen Rindt. Any of them were as fast as Prost or Stewart on their day; it was other attributes that the Frenchman and the Scot called upon to beat them in the long haul.

The line of thinking prompts a question some may believe to be heresy. Has Michael Schumacher ever really had any genuine rivals?

"Where," Stewart once asked quietly, "has Michael's real opposition been?"

Good Article Senna!

I agree very much with the bold text particularly!
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Posted 20 January 2006 - 11:07 AM

If we had lost the battle between Schu and Senna it will be interesting this season to see how the battle between Schu and Alonso will develop..
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Posted 20 January 2006 - 12:03 PM

View Postcristiano84, on Jan 20 2006, 01:07 PM, said:

If we had lost the battle between Schu and Senna it will be interesting this season to see how the battle between Schu and Alonso will develop..

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 02:47 PM

Thank you professor, good article!  :D
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Posted 20 January 2006 - 07:19 PM

View PostF1 FANatic, on Jan 20 2006, 02:18 AM, said:

the relationship between Schumi and Senna has always interseted me. cool article senna

Indeed, it is a fascinating subject.  I think the article clearly shows how Ayrton had the psychological edge; he liked to manipulate his opponents and did it very successfully.
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Posted 20 January 2006 - 11:48 PM

:D Indeed, indeed............thanks for the article.............
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 01:29 AM

View PostSenna, on Jan 20 2006, 01:19 PM, said:

I think the article clearly shows how Ayrton had the psychological edge; he liked to manipulate his opponents and did it very successfully.

Just like you do!!!!  :D
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 03:37 AM

Yes, very good (nice) article !
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Posted 22 January 2006 - 04:32 PM

This article recaps most of bits posted in several different threads, but actually my biggest question is [] part is your edit Senna?

And do you have original link to that Article still somewhere?




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