Honda's Reliability Thus Far

[Jet 0]

With Honda not topping the time charts like last year, it wouldn't be much of a concern if it wasn't for the fact that today in Valencia Honda blew its third engine thus far. First its was Jenson, then Anthony earlier this week and now Sato today apparently after only two laps. Also there is rumors that Honda has yet to make the magic 1000km mark with its engines which represents two race weekends.

I can't understand why Honda, of all companies, can't get to the bottom of the grenading engines as it is obviously some sort of technical reason. Anyone heard anything about the 1000 km rumor?

[Jenson_Rules 0]

{gulp} that is quite worrying!!! If this is true im actually quite nervous now, i dnt know whats going on, but BAR seem to be struggling in the tests a bit, and it dosnt look too good, they better provide button wiv a race winning car, because they they dont they will lose my support completely. 'Cum on honda, pull ur act together'

[Senna 0]

I can't understand why Honda, of all companies, can't get to the bottom of the grenading engines as it is obviously some sort of technical reason.

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Up until last year everyone was saying how utterly useless Honda engines were. Yes, I

[Sato 0]

Im not to worried about this "lack of pace" or the engine issues, i think they will have that sorted well enough come melbourne, and then even better after a few races. I don't think they have a lack of pace at all, you can't read into testing as much as you seem to be.

[Senna 0]

I know testing can be deceptive but last year BAR were mighty impressive and this year they

[Sato 0]

Anyone can top time sheets in testing, i mean coulthard just did, but i doubt RBR will be a top team this year. It really depends on what they are testing, and if they are pushing for top laps or focusing on certain things. Last year i think they just wanted to see if the car had pace, this year they are more focused on fixing any problems with the car. Atleast thats what i think.

[Senna 0]

I can

[ksajoe 0]

Anyone who smoked an engine last year will smoke twice as many this season. That is why they all have no option but to get the 2005 car out as early as possible an deal with the reliability. My estimates:

Minardi = 15 engine failures

Redbull / Jordan = 12

Bar/Toyota = 10

Renault = 8

Sauber = 6

Maclaren = 5

Williams = 4

Ferrari = 1

[Sato 0]

you made a mistake, Ferrari = 0, was the correct answer.

[ksajoe 0]

you made a mistake, Ferrari = 0, was the correct answer.

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That is what they will aim for and most likely achieve, but if the rivals up their game and push them to the max, then we can be assured of one. Ferrari always stap with the lowest mappings for their engines and notch up the revs as they go along - so nobody has really pushed them for years. Like Jenson said, they could easily have laped the whole field if they wanted to. As long as they are in the lead they control the race and save the engines - that luxury will go if all the other goons can build a car that can push them!

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I pray for reliable honda engines. Got to see Button have another brilliant year to silence the rest of his critics!!

[ksajoe 0]

I pray with you Jemstride, the last thing we need is an excuse that JB would have done better if only Honda had delivered. I want Honda to be reliable and powerful and JB to be at the top of his game, he needs to show us what he can do (and by that I do not mean driving one-handed!).

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I wonder if nojvnof1 & shadow will agree that Button's Germany 04 drive was better than JV's germany 98 drive??

[Sato 0]

i love your thoughts on Button Ksajoe, its the perfect balance to a few certains brits, views.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

He talks a load of bollocks if you ask me, but I guess we're all as bad as each other

[nojvnof1 0]

I wonder if nojvnof1 & shadow will agree that Button's Germany 04 drive was better than JV's germany 98 drive??

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both were great drives in their own right. However they were on different tracks and under different circumstances. 04 BAR was a better car than 98 Williams, which was third best, maybe even fourth considering Jordan had improved in the middle of the year. JB drove well from the back, JV drove well from a hard earned 3rd on the grid and kept pace with the much superior McLarens and JV was only stopped from possibly doing better by a broken diff 5 laps from the end. I really don't think one was better than the other.

[Jet 0]

ummmm, Honda set and kept resetting the Barcelona track record that Sato owns. They also set the Silverstone lap record as well I believe during testing.

Well the concern is they haven't met the 1000km mark for two race weekends and the fact they have less than three weeks to sort it out before the engine must be finalized is not very good news. The story's on this issue has Honda denying it hasn't endured 1000km but everyone else says they haven't.

Regardless they've blown three engines already which is more than the other teams and that's not good in any way, unless they really have met the mark and are upping the power to see how much the V10 can take before detonation. However, with last years unacceptable reliability, it just makes the rumors make sense.

[Senna 0]

Yes and most of you guys think that Honda had the best engine in 04, which is an utterly ludicrous and laughable suggestion in my opinion.

[Jet 0]

FROM AUTOSPORT:

BAR had the most eventful day. Takuma Sato was third quickest but all his attempts to complete long runs (to test tyre durability) were stymied by red flags, two of which were caused by the team's test driver Davidson

[C.A.L. 0]

FROM AUTOSPORT:

BAR had the most eventful day. Takuma Sato was third quickest but all his attempts to complete long runs (to test tyre durability) were stymied by red flags, two of which were caused by the team's test driver Davidson

[Jenson_Rules 0]

Well Honda better pull their fingers outa their asses, cos if they let BAR and Button down i shall be very dissappointed, hopefully however they are still improving the car, and maybe they are not so worried about topping the timesheets yet?

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Didn't Honda say a few weeks ago that they're going to 'wow' Button and give him the engine he needs to win??

[nojvnof1 0]

Well I guess JB will be off the BMW Williams then if Honda keep popping like bubble wrap, maybe '04 was a flash in the pan?? I hope not, purely for competitions sake.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I'll be surprised if the BAR's are on the front row of the grid in melbourne, but I'm desperately hoping that BAR will be as good as, or better than last year. It would kill me if the Williams car is brilliant in 2005, and BAR go back to being midfielders!

[Sato 0]

I'd find that hilarious, yet sad, as Sato is a BAR driver. I seriously doubt BAR will slip back much, if at all.