Loser Boy 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Looking at the brute pace of MS & His car, I think even if he had started from 2nd or 3rd , he would have blown away FA. Well, now things are simple. MS has to win next 11 races. FA finishes 2nd in all of them. MS Champ by 1 point. Tight, as everyone predicted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UrKo 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Looking at the brute pace of MS & His car, I think even if he had started from 2nd or 3rd , he would have blown away FA. Passing FA, KR, JPM in Monaco is not easy job. Well, now things are simple. MS has to win next 11 races. FA finishes 2nd in all of them. MS Champ by 1 point. Tight, as everyone predicted. In your dreams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex128 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 "Looking at the brute pace of MS & His car, I think even if he had started from 2nd or 3rd , he would have blown away FA" Seeing as MS was on a one stop while FA was 2 stopping, and MS was the fastest car on the track at the end... thats a very bold statement to make... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavallino 2 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Michael set the fastest lap on well worn tyres, I doubt if anyone could have come close today. Its a matter of what would have been, if Alonso 'would' have taken pole yesterday, Michael would have won today. Also now I remember a remark from Michael before Monaco that pole wasn't necessary to win, they could win without getting pole. I don't see any reason to believe what happened yesterday was deliberate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
demonhorse 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 "Looking at the brute pace of MS & His car, I think even if he had started from 2nd or 3rd , he would have blown away FA"Seeing as MS was on a one stop while FA was 2 stopping, and MS was the fastest car on the track at the end... thats a very bold statement to make... 1 stop... so that means a heavier car and his pace STILL got him up to 5th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UrKo 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Michael set the fastest lap on well worn tyres, I doubt if anyone could have come close today. Its a matter of what would have been, if Alonso 'would' have taken pole yesterday, Michael would have won today. Also now I remember a remark from Michael before Monaco that pole wasn't necessary to win, they could win without getting pole. I don't see any reason to believe what happened yesterday was deliberate. Both FA& KR could go faster but there was no need for Alonso to push...MS had to push and tried to get as many points possible. If MS would be alongside FA on start....FA would also win. MS would finish 2nd. 1 stop... so that means a heavier car and his pace STILL got him up to 5th. No SC got him from 15 to 8....the rest was other problems Remember after his pitstop he was in 18 or 19 i think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavallino 2 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Both FA& KR could go faster but there was no need for Alonso to push...MS had to push and tried to get as many points possible. Err no Renault had to put less fuel in Alonso's car in the first pit stop than Kimi, jsut to get him out ahead, of course the safety car saved him, and then Mercedes did (really the story of last year again isnt it, a faster Kimi let down?). When he desperately needed those fast laps, with tyres used for a mere 20 odd laps and a near empty tank, with a clear track he oculdn't pull off lap times anywhere near what Schumacher did at the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UrKo 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Err no Renault had to put less fuel in Alonso's car in the first pit stop than Kimi, jsut to get him out ahead, of course the safety car saved him, and then Mercedes did (really the story of last year again isnt it, a faster Kimi let down?). When he desperately needed those fast laps, with tyres used for a mere 20 odd laps and a near empty tank, with a clear track he oculdn't pull off lap times anywhere near what Schumacher did at the end. ok...good point. but Would MS pass FA?? I doubt. And maybe Kimi was the fastest of all and would probably also get the fastest lap but like you say last year story has been repeated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tifosi too! 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 ok...good point. but Would MS pass FA?? I doubt. And maybe Kimi was the fastest of all and would probably also get the fastest lap but like you say last year story has been repeated. why would MS need to pass FA??He would have been on pole!IF FA would pass him on the start that we ll never know!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavallino 2 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 ok...good point. but Would MS pass FA?? I doubt. And maybe Kimi was the fastest of all and would probably also get the fastest lap but like you say last year story has been repeated. Nop, Kimi wasn't faster either, he also had to push like Alonso did. Besides being faster and unreliable is pointless, it just means you were running the car beyond its limits. MS could have passed in the pit stops, quite easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UrKo 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 why would MS need to pass FA??He would have been on pole!IF FA would pass him on the start that we ll never know!! looking at race starts FA would be in P1 after turn 1. MS probably 2nd or 3rd... Also...MS would not be on pole if Q would end without that incident ....SO you see...many things we will never know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Both FA& KR could go faster but there was no need for Alonso to push...MS had to push and tried to get as many points possible.If MS would be alongside FA on start....FA would also win. MS would finish 2nd. No SC got him from 15 to 8....the rest was other problems Remember after his pitstop he was in 18 or 19 i think if you are thinking Schumi you are wrong, correction Schumi pitted from p-13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
demonhorse 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 looking at race starts FA would be in P1 after turn 1. MS probably 2nd or 3rd...Also...MS would not be on pole if Q would end without that incident ....SO you see...many things we will never know I think he still would have been on Pole, despite Alonso's whinging to the contrary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tifosi too! 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 looking at race starts FA would be in P1 after turn 1. MS probably 2nd or 3rd...Also...MS would not be on pole if Q would end without that incident ....SO you see...many things we will never know you mean could be right??(joke from the other thread )all we can do is guess here!!This race is over!Silverstone will be a different story(more or less!!). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UrKo 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Nop, Kimi wasn't faster either, he also had to push like Alonso did. Besides being faster and unreliable is pointless, it just means you were running the car beyond its limits.MS could have passed in the pit stops, quite easily. Fastest lap: 1. MS 1:15.143 ( lap 73) 2. KR 1:15.325 ( lap 19 ) Kimi retired and MS made his fastest lap at the end of the race ( low on fuel ) nd I guess Bstone tyres work like charm know. if you are thinking Schumi you are wrong, correction Schumi pitted from p-13 I might...not sure coz I missed his pitstop and our commentator was talking something else. if you are thinking Schumi you are wrong, correction Schumi pitted from p-13 And when he came back he was 18 or 19 right? you mean could be right??(joke from the other thread ) Good 1 I remember it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavallino 2 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Fastest lap:1. MS 1:15.143 ( lap 73) 2. KR 1:15.325 ( lap 19 ) Kimi retired and MS made his fastest lap at the end of the race ( low on fuel ) nd I guess Bstone tyres work like charm know. about 6-7 laps from the end, so with a bit of fuel, and Bstone tyres about 35 laps old. When do you think Kimi made his fastest lap? Yep - with an empty car right before his pit stop, with tyres only about 20 laps old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Fastest lap:1. MS 1:15.143 ( lap 73) 2. KR 1:15.325 ( lap 19 ) Kimi retired and MS made his fastest lap at the end of the race ( low on fuel ) nd I guess Bstone tyres work like charm know. I might...not sure coz I missed his pitstop and our commentator was talking something else. And when he came back he was 18 or 19 right? Good 1 I remember it No if I remember right he did not lose a spot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UrKo 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 about 6-7 laps from the end, so with a bit of fuel, and Bstone tyres about 35 laps old. When do you think Kimi made his fastest lap? Yep - with an empty car right before his pit stop, with tyres only about 20 laps old. Which only shows that Bstone tyres can hold the distance Ferrari wants. Remember KR did fastest lap on the last lap in Australia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 It's also important to remember that Schumi did that fast lap whilst running down Rubens and not in clean air........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UrKo 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 No if I remember right he did not lose a spot Not sure....Our commentator was to busy talking about Mrs. Eccelstone birthday party at Mr. Briatore boat or ship or whatever he owns. It's also important to remember that Schumi did that fast lap whilst running down Rubens and not in clean air........ Not exactly true... RB still had like 5sec advantage when MS made fastest lap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Not sure....Our commentator was to busy talking about Mrs. Eccelstone birthday party at Mr. Briatore boat or ship or whatever he owns. Not exactly true... RB still had like 5sec advantage when MS made fastest lap. I'll give you that one, but he was still quicker in the closing laps, and he did run the fastest 3rd sector whilst on Rubens arse..........he might've passed him if the race went another couple of laps, maybe, I'll reserve judgement till I watch the race, speaking of which it's time to watch it now so see ya boys later Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavallino 2 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 You haven't seen it yet CBS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c21 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 1 stop... so that means a heavier car and his pace STILL got him up to 5th. Which makes the qualifying tactic even more a sorry episode. In the end he had the pace anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
demonhorse 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Which makes the qualifying tactic even more a sorry episode.In the end he had the pace anyway. Don't confuse tactics with mistakes and going into a corner too fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c21 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2006 Don't confuse tactics with mistakes and going into a corner too fast. I dont know wich corner that was, but it definatley wasnt rascasse. (in my opinion) (and the stewards) (and most of the other drivers) (and most of the people who have commented on it here) The shame is that he is good enough not to have to resort to things like that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites