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#31 Rainmaster

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 07:07 PM

View PostKopite Girl, on 29 April 2010 - 06:32 PM, said:

I cannot believe my luck!!!!

After the events of late, I have just lucked into 2 Moto GP Hospitality tickets at Silverstone on the 18th June for £20 a go. So I got 2.

If I cant ride a bike just yet, I will bloody go watch them! In style. TWENTY QUID!!! HOSPITALITY SEATS!!!! PFFFWAWAWAWA WOOP!

So, by that time I should be out of hospital, hopefully. I dont bloody care, I'm going! WOOP WOOP!

Looks like the Universe is trying to make an apology. Have fun Steph!
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Posted 30 April 2010 - 10:25 AM

That's great Steph!! Enjoy it :D
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Posted 01 May 2010 - 03:20 PM

View PostKopite Girl, on 29 April 2010 - 06:32 PM, said:

I cannot believe my luck!!!!

After the events of late, I have just lucked into 2 Moto GP Hospitality tickets at Silverstone on the 18th June for £20 a go. So I got 2.

If I cant ride a bike just yet, I will bloody go watch them! In style. TWENTY QUID!!! HOSPITALITY SEATS!!!! PFFFWAWAWAWA WOOP!

So, by that time I should be out of hospital, hopefully. I dont bloody care, I'm going! WOOP WOOP!

Good for you, my friend, good for you. Enjoy. You most deserve it.
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Posted 02 May 2010 - 12:54 PM

Good GP and some great racing.

Spaniards won in all categories and got 6 out of a possible 9 podiums. Stunning. Congrats their compatriots around here.

Lorenzo just jumped into an artificial lake or some such. That kid is amusing too.

Hayden was strong. I like that... he is worth more than many think. Stoner needs to get laid.
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Posted 02 May 2010 - 01:51 PM

View PostKopite Girl, on 29 April 2010 - 06:32 PM, said:

I cannot believe my luck!!!!

After the events of late, I have just lucked into 2 Moto GP Hospitality tickets at Silverstone on the 18th June for £20 a go. So I got 2.

If I cant ride a bike just yet, I will bloody go watch them! In style. TWENTY QUID!!! HOSPITALITY SEATS!!!! PFFFWAWAWAWA WOOP!

So, by that time I should be out of hospital, hopefully. I dont bloody care, I'm going! WOOP WOOP!
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Spaniards won in all categories and got 6 out of a possible 9 podiums. Stunning. Congrats their compatriots around here.
I only watched MotoGP but it was a good race with some great fights. Lorenzo looked really strong the last few laps after a poor start.

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Posted 02 May 2010 - 05:12 PM

Great race again today, saw the best of the action through my switching of channels between BTCC on ITV4 and MotoGP on BBC2. Saw the last few laps of the MotoGP whilst some support action was on though, another very exciting race. Loved Lorenzo's celebrations too, we need some of that sort of thing in F1!
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 05:49 AM

I only saw MotoGP, as I was saying that Lorenzo usually gives his best as the race progresses he went and did exactly that, great race for him, a deserved win.

I was surprised to see Hayden ahead of Stoner, are we witnessing a groundbreaking change in Ducati? Would be nice!
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 07:44 PM

Hope so. Can't really stand Stoner that much. After several awful seasons it's nice to see Hayden back where he deserves to be.
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Posted 23 May 2010 - 01:03 PM

The man was Lorenzo and Rossi could do nothing about it.

Pedrosa disappointed big time while Stoner is back to his worst self, namely, the eternal crasher (he was a renowned crasher, for those that only watch MotoGP).

I won't bring up 125cc or Moto2 since it seems there is little interest on those categories in TF1.
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Posted 23 May 2010 - 08:38 PM

Not the most interesting MotoGP race this season, the first few laps were pretty good as Rossi defended from Lorenzo but once Jorge got past, pretty follow-the-leader type. Good battle for 3rd, 4th and 5th between Dovi, Hayden and Pedrosa though. Glad Dovi got 3rd.
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Posted 05 June 2010 - 10:19 AM

In other news, Rossi has a double bone fracture on his right leg, gonna miss 2-3 monts of races. At least for me that's pretty bad news >.< Well, I do think that this championship is Lorenzo's, but some competition would have been a lot better >.<
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Posted 05 June 2010 - 11:31 AM

Having Lorenzo win the championship in this manner would be kind of strange.
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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:13 PM

Goddamn it. My favourite out. Casey with practically no chance now either. Dani's form isn't consistent. It's Lorenzo's for the taking. He just needs to finish every race and the championship is his.

Get well soon Vale. Sad to hear this news, nobody likes to see that whoever they support. There goes my reason for watching MotoGP.

I was having an issue deciding about what to record tomorrow. I'm out all day so it was a big decision between BTCC and MotoGP. With no Vale, BTCC it is.
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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:36 PM

Really bad news for MotoGP no doubt.

The best Championship possible might be ruined but I think it depends on Rossi's recovering. This is the 4th race of the season and Lorenzo could miss some races or finish on the floor in some others. It looks quite strange. I don't want to think about Lorenzo losing it at the moment, that would kill his career.

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As we were saying yesterday...
Fray Luis de León wrote mystical poems which prompted Cervantes to proclaim León "a genius who astounds the world and who, in ecstasy, might rob us of our senses." León was also an active man who taught at the University of Salamanca, translated classical and biblical literature, and wrote on religious themes. Twice denounced before the Inquisition, he was imprisoned for "heresy," though he returned to the University to later hold the chairs of Moral Philosophy and Biblical Studies.

Tradition has it that he began his lecture the first day after returning from four years' imprisonment with the words "as we were saying yesterday..."

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 01:25 PM

Very sad news about Vale indeed, I suppose all of his bad luck came at once. I'm just thankful he's still with us, because that crash looked like it could easily have been fatal.

As some Eurosport commentators speculated, he may well decide to miss the rest of the season - Rossi isn't the type to come back if he's not at 100% and when he has no chance of winning the title.

I expect if everybody's current form is maintained (mainly a reference to Stoner's crashing streak), then Lorenzo will walk away with this championship. A shame, he looked like he was very strong against Rossi anyway, beating him would have been exceptional and the possibility was genuinely there. We have been robbed of that battle, and it remains to be seen whether Rossi will ever be back to his full potential.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:40 PM

I'm a casual follower of MotoGP, but I won't write the season off. I watch for the sport, not for a specific rider, and I know there will still be exciting individual events even if the championship battle loses its appeal. Personally, I much prefer to see close, quality racing than a series of dull, processional events that lead to a close championship battle.

Will Yamaha replace Rossi in the next round? I know little of MotoGP, but I assume Yamaha will continue to field two bikes after this race, right? That could add an interesting element to the races depending on who the replacement is; it could be a huge opportunity for another rider and if he were to capitalize on that, it would make for a compelling twist.

That said, even as a massive detractor of Rossi, it is disappointing to lose a contender and I wish him well in his recovery.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 07:52 PM

Colin Edwards has been rumoured, but Yamaha insist they have "no rush" to replace him. See here.
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 03:37 PM

Bad news. Yesterday Rossi had a 2nd surgery for his leg and it's going to take him 4 or 5 months to recover. He's going to miss the remaining of the season. Hopefully he can be back in 2011 fully recovered.

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As we were saying yesterday...
Fray Luis de León wrote mystical poems which prompted Cervantes to proclaim León "a genius who astounds the world and who, in ecstasy, might rob us of our senses." León was also an active man who taught at the University of Salamanca, translated classical and biblical literature, and wrote on religious themes. Twice denounced before the Inquisition, he was imprisoned for "heresy," though he returned to the University to later hold the chairs of Moral Philosophy and Biblical Studies.

Tradition has it that he began his lecture the first day after returning from four years' imprisonment with the words "as we were saying yesterday..."

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 04:25 PM

View PostAleHop, on 08 June 2010 - 03:37 PM, said:

Bad news. Yesterday Rossi had a 2nd surgery for his leg and it's going to take him 4 or 5 months to recover. He's going to miss the remaining of the season. Hopefully he can be back in 2011 fully recovered.

Where did you read that?

I think the second surgery is common practice. My understanding is that the first surgery is to repair the bone (pins, whatever else they do) and the second surgery is to close the wound via stitching.

In fact, according to initial reports, both surgeries went well so it's good news (or as good as we can expect from a broken leg).

Here are two articles, the first is about the surgery yesterday and the second is regarding a possible return date this season (Brno).

The relevant parts about the second operation are..

"Today Valentino underwent another small operation to close the wound, which is looking good," said Dr. Buzzi in a statement issued by Yamaha.

"We closed it with 15 stitches and our overall medical judgement is positive. We used a short general anaesthetic and when he woke up he was in good shape. The healing process of the injury is going well and as expected in Valentino's condition."

..and about a return..

Yamaha crew chief Jeremy Burgess told the newspaper that he expected Rossi to be able to return to action for the Czech Grand Prix in August.

"I think that, if everything goes well, he'll be back in Brno. He may even do it for Laguna Seca, but there's no pressure," Burgess said.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 12:30 PM

View PostThe Professor, on 08 June 2010 - 04:25 PM, said:

Where did you read that?
It was on marca.com or as.com. I read the surgery went well but the bad piece of news was that it'd take him 4 or 5 months to recover. It's nearly the whole season but it will be good news if he's back fully recovered in 2011.

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As we were saying yesterday...
Fray Luis de León wrote mystical poems which prompted Cervantes to proclaim León "a genius who astounds the world and who, in ecstasy, might rob us of our senses." León was also an active man who taught at the University of Salamanca, translated classical and biblical literature, and wrote on religious themes. Twice denounced before the Inquisition, he was imprisoned for "heresy," though he returned to the University to later hold the chairs of Moral Philosophy and Biblical Studies.

Tradition has it that he began his lecture the first day after returning from four years' imprisonment with the words "as we were saying yesterday..."

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 02:54 PM

Yamaha have elected to put a test rider on the bike to replace VR. A conservative decision but probably the sensible one. http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/84692

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 08:22 PM

Bad news on Valentino being out for the rest of the season if it's true.

I wish I could say the sport is greater than one rider. I've said a similar thing for F1 in the past. I really wish I could say those words.

But in the case of Rossi and MotoGP I can't. He's huge. He has legions of fans wherever he goes. Love him or loath him, you can't fail to admit he is a crucial element of the MotoGP series. He's like the Ferrari of MotoGP, or how Ronnie O'Sullivan is to snooker, or Tiger Woods to golf. Okay, the last comparison is harsh on Vale and I appologise. But you get my drift. Without those sorts of guys at the top level of the sport they compete in, interest for said sport drops. It's a fact.

He's not essential for MotoGP, but he is a massive part of the sport. I fear that right around the world, (expect Spain perhaps who are mad for bike racing and now have two countrymen who hate each other battling for the title) the viewing figures will be lower for the remainder of the championship compared to if Rossi was still there.

It just worries me how MotoGP is going to cope when Vale retires, or if now he packs it all up for good. They don't have a Rossi-esque figure lying in waiting. Sure, Lorenzo's a brilliant rider and has many, many fans already but.....I don't know, it's hard to explain, he hasn't got the Rossi persona going about him or the ability to set up a cult if he so wanted to like Rossi could.

MotoGP has lost a big part of it's appeal for me now. Rossi was one of the big reasons I kept tuning in. Goodbye MotoGP '10, it was fun whilst it lasted. Hope all is well in '11.

Enjoy the rest of the season, everybody.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:04 PM

You'll find one man won't make the biggest difference for the majority of people, actually. There will always be new riders; never replacements, but always good enough. When Dale Earnhardt passed away, NASCAR lost its most recognizable, popular, exciting, etc driver. An icon for the sport. Popularity didn't drop off at all, though. Why? They just thrust more drivers into the limelight and kept putting on the kind of racing people wanted to see. MotoGP will do the same.

Perhaps in his downtime, Rossi can pay his taxes, too.

Hopefully Rossi will recover sharp as ever and keep adding another entertaining rider to the sport, but I won't lose sleep over the fact it might not be this year. Lorenzo, Pedrosa, and Stoner will be extra hungry to win the races that would have been Rossi's.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:10 PM

The problem is that Lorenzo will probably walk it. Stoner hasn't upped his game, in fact Hayden is beating him consistently, and Pedrosa is just like that... the most fun last race was in the battle for 2nd-3rd. It's just not quite the same >.<
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:18 PM

View Postfreaky2, on 23 June 2010 - 09:10 PM, said:

The problem is that Lorenzo will probably walk it. Stoner hasn't upped his game, in fact Hayden is beating him consistently, and Pedrosa is just like that... the most fun last race was in the battle for 2nd-3rd. It's just not quite the same >.<

Yeah, but this one time I said Brawn Grand Prix would score zero points in 2010 and then one race later...

And this other time I said the U.S. wouldn't advance past the group round and then one minute later...

Which means that me saying it will still be exciting means I'll be wrong and it won't be. So I guess I didn't just help my argument there :P

Oh well, all sports have up and down seasons whatever the circumstances. There's still time for something interesting to develop.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:49 PM

View PostPucky the Whale, on 23 June 2010 - 09:04 PM, said:

You'll find one man won't make the biggest difference for the majority of people, actually. There will always be new riders; never replacements, but always good enough. When Dale Earnhardt passed away, NASCAR lost its most recognizable, popular, exciting, etc driver. An icon for the sport. Popularity didn't drop off at all, though. Why? They just thrust more drivers into the limelight and kept putting on the kind of racing people wanted to see. MotoGP will do the same.

Perhaps in his downtime, Rossi can pay his taxes, too.

Hopefully Rossi will recover sharp as ever and keep adding another entertaining rider to the sport, but I won't lose sleep over the fact it might not be this year. Lorenzo, Pedrosa, and Stoner will be extra hungry to win the races that would have been Rossi's.

I think, for MotoGP though, it is different. It's difficult to make the comparison with Tiger Woods, but you know, when he was out the sport for a short period viewing figures dropped massively. Even for people who don't know golf at all or follow it, most people have heard of Tiger Woods even before his scandal broke out. The same is with Rossi. Even for people who know nothing about MotoGP or have never watched a race, again, they'll probably have heard of Rossi seeing as he is like Woods, one of the all time great sports people in terms of success. Both have masses of fans everywhere, every corner of the globe, both sports are damaged when these two guys arn't playing/racing.

I was really generally excited to see MotoGP this year with the top four guys fighting for the championship, but now Stoner is way behind after crashing a couple of times and Pedrosa is too inconsistent. But yeah, every sport has good and bad years.

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 10:08 PM

I agree with JHS on this one, I think it is different with Rossi.

Rossi has a global fan base whereas most sports superstars have a more national one. Everybody seems to support Rossi as if he's one of their own, so to speak. When Rossi retires from MotoGP, the effect will be something similar to when Michael Schumacher stopped racing in 2006, where interest in F1 dropped massively in Germany. The difference for Rossi and MotoGP, is that the loss of viewers will be a "global" trend.

For all the good Rossi has done for MotoGP, when he retires there is going to be a balancing, the sport will lose a lot, but at least it can be thankful it had him in the first place (very few sports have somebody like Rossi imo, a person globally adored).

Saying that, MotoGP will survive post-Rossi, no doubt about it. It just won't be the same for those who ever watched him race live, and I doubt somebody will come along with a similar talent and charisma for a very long time.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 04:25 AM

View PostThe Professor, on 23 June 2010 - 02:54 PM, said:

Yamaha have elected to put a test rider on the bike to replace VR. A conservative decision but probably the sensible one. http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/84692


I wonder if "out of ideas" can be considered sensible.

It makes no difference anyway.

View PostJHS, on 23 June 2010 - 08:22 PM, said:

Bad news on Valentino being out for the rest of the season if it's true.

I wish I could say the sport is greater than one rider. I've said a similar thing for F1 in the past. I really wish I could say those words.

But in the case of Rossi and MotoGP I can't. He's huge. He has legions of fans wherever he goes. Love him or loath him, you can't fail to admit he is a crucial element of the MotoGP series. He's like the Ferrari of MotoGP, or how Ronnie O'Sullivan is to snooker, or Tiger Woods to golf. Okay, the last comparison is harsh on Vale and I appologise. But you get my drift. Without those sorts of guys at the top level of the sport they compete in, interest for said sport drops. It's a fact.

He's not essential for MotoGP, but he is a massive part of the sport. I fear that right around the world, (expect Spain perhaps who are mad for bike racing and now have two countrymen who hate each other battling for the title) the viewing figures will be lower for the remainder of the championship compared to if Rossi was still there.

It just worries me how MotoGP is going to cope when Vale retires, or if now he packs it all up for good. They don't have a Rossi-esque figure lying in waiting. Sure, Lorenzo's a brilliant rider and has many, many fans already but.....I don't know, it's hard to explain, he hasn't got the Rossi persona going about him or the ability to set up a cult if he so wanted to like Rossi could.

MotoGP has lost a big part of it's appeal for me now. Rossi was one of the big reasons I kept tuning in. Goodbye MotoGP '10, it was fun whilst it lasted. Hope all is well in '11.

Enjoy the rest of the season, everybody.

Nah.

People come and go. No biggy. Besides, Rossi has had more than his time. Time to move on really. He should've taken that jump to Ferrari anywhen instead of this.

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The problem is that Lorenzo will probably walk it. Stoner hasn't upped his game, in fact Hayden is beating him consistently, and Pedrosa is just like that... the most fun last race was in the battle for 2nd-3rd. It's just not quite the same >.<

This is a good point. Stoner is back to his crashing ways and Pedrosa is, well, Pedrosa.

However, I wonder if the problem is not the category itself rather than the riders. Take a look at Moto2, for instance... great races every GP.

View PostThe Professor, on 23 June 2010 - 10:08 PM, said:

I agree with JHS on this one, I think it is different with Rossi.

Rossi has a global fan base whereas most sports superstars have a more national one. Everybody seems to support Rossi as if he's one of their own, so to speak. When Rossi retires from MotoGP, the effect will be something similar to when Michael Schumacher stopped racing in 2006, where interest in F1 dropped massively in Germany. The difference for Rossi and MotoGP, is that the loss of viewers will be a "global" trend.

For all the good Rossi has done for MotoGP, when he retires there is going to be a balancing, the sport will lose a lot, but at least it can be thankful it had him in the first place (very few sports have somebody like Rossi imo, a person globally adored).

Saying that, MotoGP will survive post-Rossi, no doubt about it. It just won't be the same for those who ever watched him race live, and I doubt somebody will come along with a similar talent and charisma for a very long time.


Same nah.

It happens in all sports. Some guys pop up and steal the show. They mark an era... but eventually they are gone and, guess what, the world keeps spinning.

The funny thing is to come across the fans whose world have stopped spinning and cannot but recall the time when WHO and WHO fought the best matches/races/games whatever.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 09:56 AM

View Postmaure, on 24 June 2010 - 04:25 AM, said:

People come and go. No biggy. Besides, Rossi has had more than his time. Time to move on really. He should've taken that jump to Ferrari anywhen instead of this.

True, this year Lorenzo was proving better, it's just that he should have beaten him on track, otherwise it's no fun! And, I still haven't been to a race, maybe he was waiting for me :whistling:

View Postmaure, on 24 June 2010 - 04:25 AM, said:

This is a good point. Stoner is back to his crashing ways and Pedrosa is, well, Pedrosa.

However, I wonder if the problem is not the category itself rather than the riders. Take a look at Moto2, for instance... great races every GP.

Also true, 16 riders, c'mon that's ridiculous! MotoGP is way too expensive for what it is. Maybe they could save a bit in the Moto2 way, of course not in the engines, but find a solution. About the riders, I hope that some team will want Elias next year, he's too good to be wasted, at a time when The Doctor will be leaving soon.

View Postmaure, on 24 June 2010 - 04:25 AM, said:

Same nah.

It happens in all sports. Some guys pop up and steal the show. They mark an era... but eventually they are gone and, guess what, the world keeps spinning.

The funny thing is to come across the fans whose world have stopped spinning and cannot but recall the time when WHO and WHO fought the best matches/races/games whatever.

Recycle yourself or die.

You're probably right, but for me this has been the first time and a great experience. No doubt I'll remember it very fondly 50 years in the future XD
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Posted 24 June 2010 - 11:51 AM

View Postfreaky2, on 24 June 2010 - 09:56 AM, said:

You're probably right, but for me this has been the first time and a great experience. No doubt I'll remember it very fondly 50 years in the future XD

Dear freaky, don't be old so early. We have yet to see many greats come and go.

Sure, be happy to have been part of this (whatever part of it you've picked up, Rossi's been around awhile). But be happy you are gonna be part of much more. The present is always worth more than the past or future if only on account that those two don't exist anymore or yet, respectively.
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