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#1 Rainmaster

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:16 AM

I haven't made a thread in ages, so I thought I might as well make this one with the 2013 season effectively underway.

2013 should be a better year for MotoGP.

Some of the races have been close, but for me, not particularly exciting and ultimately often became inevitable victories for one rider (usually Pedrosa). The title battle lost its punch through a couple of crashes, admittedly one of them self-inflicted. A real shame. MotoGP has also generally been a lot less interesting this year due to the loss of one Marco Simoncelli shaking up the order, and the controversy that followed him. Crutchlow and Bradl have been fast and fun (and Crutchlow is very funny), but there's no way they have the same appeal - not to me. I guess, what I'm saying is, as much I respect Lorenzo and Pedrosa's ability (esp. Jorge, although Dani really improved a lot), MotoGP needs personalities at the very front of the grid. The empty feeling I've had watching MotoGP these last couple of years and especially last year, is only a legacy of the fact that we were blessed for so long with Rossi's charisma, so he really left an emptiness at the top during his Ducati stint, and the same is true of when we lost #58 last year.

The good news is now we have Rossi back on front running machinery, and some guy called Marquez who apparently won something? Sometime? I don't know, I've not heard much about him Posted Image These two things in mind, we should at least see some good intra-team battling going on next year, if nothing else. It was good to see Rossi back on a Yamaha in testing the other day; will he be able to beat Lorenzo? I think he'll struggle - but the fight could be fun. If he doesn't win, at least we'll know it's the rider and not the bike...

Of course, Marc Marquez replaces Casey Stoner, who left some size 'genius' shoes to fill at Honda. Luckily for us, it looks like Marquez might be all that and maybe more. I won't try to hide my excitement about Marquez and I don't see how any bike racing fan could. I don't like to hype sportsmen but with him, it's hard not to. Winning from the back of the grid at Valencia in treacherous, wet conditions, is one of the most brilliant performances I have ever seen in motorsport. I can only imagine it was something similar to those who watched live Senna at Donington that day in 1993. It was one of those rare, magic moments that feels historic at the time you watch it, and just won't be seen again for an incredibly long time. So to me it's clear: MotoGP just got a new master and it's only a matter of time before Marquez wins on a Honda and starts challenging for the crown of MotoGP's top rider. He's already doing nicely in testing; http://www.motorspor...gp-winter-test/

But I shouldn't place too much expectation on Marquez. I do expect him to crash a lot (they almost all do at first..). I do expect him to be aggressive like Simoncelli. I do expect him to upset other riders and probably be involved in some very controversial incidents, and I hope he starts to learn from those better than he has so far. And I do fully expect that, like Simoncelli, the top riders will criticise him (actually, they're so nervous about him they've already started..).

All in all, sounds a lot more interesting, right?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:05 PM

Right!

I concur about the crashing, the aggression and him being the next big promise. And then I have to disaggree about the degree of controversy you're piling up on him, although I will admit right away that I haven't followed him close enough to support my impression. It's just that he seems to be a nice kid, so it's difficult for me to imagine him willingly causing controversy. Now, causing it because he's good, that can clearly happen since it even happened to Pedrosa!
As an afterthought, what if he's a bit like Senna? I mean, what if he's an awful nice kid until he steps on track? Valid assumption?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:07 PM

Oh, don't get me wrong, he seems really nice off the track! That's his appeal to me. After all Stoner is really good but was quite hard to like for a long time, at least for me (even though I always knew he was basically a good guy). With Marquez I agree: I think he definitely has that thing where once he puts the helmet on, he's just ridiculously aggressive and a different person, which is both good and bad. Good in the sense it won him so many races and some of his passes are unbelievable, but bad (and this is the controversial bit) because he's been involved in a lot of incidents over his short career. Some of them were even passes where he made contact with people in practice sessions or forced them off the track, something you don't really do in practice (that was why he started at the back in Valancia). But I think he's still learning and I don't see him as a villain, he always apologises after these incidents and ultimately, I think he's smart enough to stay aggressive but use it at the right time (in that sense, Valencia was like seeing two sides of the same coin).
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:44 PM

Cool analysis, Master. Thanks (saves me doing my own research :D )!
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

I finally watched Márquez race in Valencia. I managed to dowload ESPN Argentina broadcast (I think) and I enjoyed it. I think it looked a bit too easy, glad he'll race a MotoGP bike next year. It'll be worth watching but he has to take it easy. MotoGPs are dangerous.

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As we were saying yesterday...
Fray Luis de León wrote mystical poems which prompted Cervantes to proclaim León "a genius who astounds the world and who, in ecstasy, might rob us of our senses." León was also an active man who taught at the University of Salamanca, translated classical and biblical literature, and wrote on religious themes. Twice denounced before the Inquisition, he was imprisoned for "heresy," though he returned to the University to later hold the chairs of Moral Philosophy and Biblical Studies.

Tradition has it that he began his lecture the first day after returning from four years' imprisonment with the words "as we were saying yesterday..."

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:21 PM

I'm happy that MotoGP is interesting again. Looks like Rossi might be able to challenge Lorenzo this year. Marquez is already unbelievable and finishing ahead of Pedrosa in your first race is ridiculous. Stoner is a huge loss of talent and we're supremely lucky that Marquez replaced him; I think he's the only rider that could.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 09:02 PM

Hi George :P
I am afraid I must correct you: it is not ridiculous, it is what we were all hoping for, and somehow even expecting to happen XD
I'm really looking forward to the rest of the races. I still think Lorenzo is the favourite, but Rossi and Marquez make it so much more exciting ^^
Crutchlow was looking good, it's a shame that he went out like that because I didn't expect the "second" Yamaha to be so close to the front.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:03 PM

Oh hi Tanita! Yes you are right, we did expect it. But it's nice he lived up to all the hype - if he was British it'd be a different story ;)

Agree that Lorenzo is still the favourite! Looking forward to Texas where Marquez was super quick in the test :D
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:32 AM

Rossi vs. Marquez was a cool fight.

Somehow Marquez' performance confirmed to me that Pedrosa's just another number 2 rider who can get off the starting line quickly. Having said that, there still was very little space between no 26 and 93 at the flag.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:02 PM

Marquez hardly put a foot wrong at Austin. Excited about the kid's potential. Youngest winner in the premier class.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:06 PM

Marquez woohoo! Further confirmation that he has all the talent of Stoner and all the race-craft and intelligence of Rossi. That makes him a Godlike rider, especially when he has so much to learn yet Posted Image

As for Pedrosa, I don't think it's fair to call him a number 2 rider. He is a consistently strong rider and he can compete with anybody on the grid. It's just his luck that he's had two of the biggest talents motorcycles have seen as his team mates.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:17 PM

It was amazing! I thought he would suffer a bit from lap 10-15 but he looked even stronger the last 5 laps. Pedrosa made a mistake but I don't think he would have been able to retake the lead anyway.

Great race and for the look of it great championship too.

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As we were saying yesterday...
Fray Luis de León wrote mystical poems which prompted Cervantes to proclaim León "a genius who astounds the world and who, in ecstasy, might rob us of our senses." León was also an active man who taught at the University of Salamanca, translated classical and biblical literature, and wrote on religious themes. Twice denounced before the Inquisition, he was imprisoned for "heresy," though he returned to the University to later hold the chairs of Moral Philosophy and Biblical Studies.

Tradition has it that he began his lecture the first day after returning from four years' imprisonment with the words "as we were saying yesterday..."

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:59 PM

My favourite moment in all of racing:

http://www.youtube.c...Yl2kpOwc#t=148s
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 02:47 AM

View PostRainmaster, on 26 April 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

My favourite moment in all of racing:

http://www.youtube.c...Yl2kpOwc#t=148s

You could almost see that baton being passed. Amazing
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:45 PM

Some of the finest trolling I have seen from Cal Crutchlow, folks:


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