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[LabradoRacer 2]

I understand what you're saying, the thing is... Vettel could have won the race from where he was behind Lewis, whether by pitstop or another blinding overtake which he seems to be doing quite regularly this year and must be a shock to the system for the regular Vettel bashers... they've gone quite "quiet" on him

Unlikely. Lewis was driving the wheels off his car. He'd a nice lead to disallow pitstop overtake as well. If Macca has a reliable car for the remaining races, it'll make it harder for Vettel to reel in Alonso.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

You should have noticed, dear Brad, that the fact that I keep calling myself a Vettel hater or a Hamilton hater is more a mockery of my own bias (and bias in general) than actual truth. Ditto for my exagerated love for Alonso. I don't believe Alonso can resurrect the dead, nor I think Vettel/Hamilton eat children. In fact, "the finger" does not bother me at all. I just play with the stereotype (no, not when it comes to his slow down laps after the races...I DO hate those yahooos, sorry)

And if you paid more attention to the actual things I said besides "I hate Vettel" you would have noticed that I always gave him credit and I still consider him a top three driver, perhaps with more potential than Hamilton, not because of natural talent, but because he takes this seriously and learns and puts a lot of effort. As for his personality, I also already metioned that I have little insight on any driver because I only see them during the races and what little they show up until the podium ceremony. From there, anything else is what the media feed us via websites. I rarely seen them in more relaxed situations being interviewed.

But from what little I seen Seb seemed a lot nicer and authentica than the tense character he (and all drivers) show at the post race press conference, or during race weekend.

The last big criticism I made of him is the simple fact that he was unproven under many circumstances despite being 2 times WDC. In fact, this year was a better display case of Vettel's capabilities and shortcomings than his previous 2 years.

Anyways, I would not consider myself a Vettel hater, nor am I sure why do you consider me so.

Whhaaaa????? Oh come on Andres...U a Vettel hater???

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Oh, it was the quiet word wasn't it!!!

LOL!!!!!

Edit: Sorry for the misunderstanding folks, I've been very busy and scrambling a reply on here, which my dear friends think was directed at them...EISH, the power of the internet!!

[Quiet One 15]

Oh, it was the quiet word wasn't it!!!

LOL!!!!!

Edit: Sorry for the misunderstanding folks, I've been very busy and scrambling a reply on here, which my dear friends think was directed at them...EISH, the power of the internet!!

Well, the word was between quotation marks, I though "wow, that was subtle!"

I took no offense, in any way, I was just surprised you thought of me as a Vettel hater. The fact that I think he is a crybaby, cheating, wrongdoer, Sabbath breaking, sour loser SOB does not mean I think bad of him!

Seriously, I don't know where do you get those ideas...tsk tsk.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Well, the word was between quotation marks, I though "wow, that was subtle!"

I took no offense, in any way, I was just surprised you thought of me as a Vettel hater. The fact that I think he is a crybaby, cheating, wrongdoer, Sabbath breaking, sour loser SOB does not mean I think bad of him!

Seriously, I don't know where do you get those ideas...tsk tsk.

seriously, it wasn't intentional...so much that I couldnt/would'nt have remember if u ever said anything deragatory about Vettel, and I'm to lazy to check past threads lol

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Actually Andres, this could be quite a marketing case study. I've always been fascinated by how brands own certain words, in your case, the word quiet triggers familiarity with your presence on here.

We might be onto something worth million bucks on here, we just need to connect the dots

[Rainmaster 7]

Which point? Vettel being luckier or Horner crying too often? Maybe I'm a twin soul with EJ.

Everybody criticizes EJ but I agree with him quite often. I don't think he's that bad.

Brad, I'm not saying he was lucky. I'm saying Horner is absolutely biased and whining. In my opinion Vettel could never have won the race vs. Hamilton in "normal" citcumstances but that's just my opinion. I don't think he was lucky, he did what he had to do and he did it right. The word 'luck' rarely applies in motorsport and I'm not a Vettel basher.

Curiously my sentiment is that Alonso's been driving amazingly and his bashers have gone quiet.

EJ just said that if you want to talk about Alonso being lucky then let's talk about Vettel! Pretty logically consistent for EJ, and I think it shut Horner up on that one

[AleHop 0]

EJ just said that if you want to talk about Alonso being lucky then let's talk about Vettel! Pretty logically consistent for EJ, and I think it shut Horner up on that one

He's my Hero!

[AleHop 0]

Vettel too benefited from Lewis's retirement. He gained 10 points instead of 6 over Alonso.

Benefited is a better word than lucky. Vettel had to do a good start, overtake a few cars and make his strategy work to capitalize on Hamilton's retirement. Besides that, reliability is an important variable in motorsport.

Unlucky Alonso when sitting duck Grosjean crashed into him. :-(