Vettel's Tribute To Webber.

[Emmcee 0]

This was a nice story to find. I have to say, after seeing what we all saw, how they basically hated each other, what a nice thing to say and seriously. He didnt have to mention mark at all, but to acknowledge his skill and achievements, even though he has taken 4 titles to marks 0, is very humble indeed. Well done seb and I must say as probably one of the harshes Vettel critics around this has surprised me and made me instantly respect him, this is very humble of him indeed. This side of seb shows me a man now, and not the spoilt brat he was, he seems not at all big headed and appreciates the effort all put in, including Mark. I have to say I have a different opinion of seb now and I can now see the creditable racing legend this young man is becoming.

http://m.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/302955/vettel-always-been-very-close-with-webber/

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Seb was never a spoilt brat....

[Emmcee 0]

Seb was never a spoilt brat....

Yeah he was. He couldn't stand being beaten before, you could see it in his face, now he has learned there will be another day.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Nice comments although he was addressing a load of RBR employees at the RBR factory, so he's hardly going to say anything negative about his team-mate there!

[Emmcee 0]

Nice comments although he was addressing a load of RBR employees at the RBR factory, so he's hardly going to say anything negative about his team-mate there!

That's right, but still after there rocky past, he still didnt have to say anything about him and I expect the team would've been shocked to.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

That's right, but still after there rocky past, he still didnt have to say anything about him and I expect the team would've been shocked to.

He was asked about his relationship with Mark I believe.

I'm not disagreeing with you though, I am glad to see he is publically showing respect for Mark, and acting mature

[Emmcee 0]

Well what ever the reason, it was cool, just shows he knows what he has,knows how good his car is and is just taking the maximum available each time possible.

[KoolMonkey 0]

Yeah he was. He couldn't stand being beaten before, you could see it in his face, now he has learned there will be another day.

Just like sarcasm doesn't translate well in written text here, someones facial movements may not translate well to those that don't know the person.

I know you're not a genuine Vettel hater and actually do respect his talent. But there are many out there who constantly post on any news story that pops up on various F1 websites about how Vettel is b#####d, this is all just PR etc. etc. Some months ago, most were chirping in agreeing, nowdays, it's 1 vs the rest and the haters get pummeled.

I don't think Vettel has ever been a spoilt brat. A brat describes someone who feels entitled to something. And Vettel has worked his a## off to achieve what he has. That isn't the action of someone who is spoilt. Lewis maybe? I do get a sense he's lived his life growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth. But mostly about what's come out of his mouth, and there are so many stupid things he's said, that tells me more. Anyway I won't go into Lewis anymore on this haha.

Vettel is a perfectionist. Anything less that what he strives for is a failure in his mind. Thus his actions if he misses out on pole position or whatever is the situation, shows he not only wants to do better, he's psyching himself up to do so.

[Emmcee 0]

It's his comments he uses to make when he was younger and his sour face, made me want to leap in the tv and jab him in the mouth. But now he seems alot more content with second (although it happens very very rarely)knowing he tried his best. I think he takes a different approach now to keep his mind at ease in these situations. Something along the lines of "well, they beat me, but had to beat me on an off day, can't beat me at my best" that's the mentality he shows now, like he knows he will get those points back. Which now brings us onto another situation haters love to dig at Vettel for, and that his arrogance. I don't think he is big headed, he just has super confidence in his own ability and why should he not? It's that mind state that has elevated him into the position he is in.

[pabloh20 1]

Just like sarcasm doesn't translate well in written text here, someones facial movements may not translate well to those that don't know the person.

I know you're not a genuine Vettel hater and actually do respect his talent. But there are many out there who constantly post on any news story that pops up on various F1 websites about how Vettel is b#####d, this is all just PR etc. etc. Some months ago, most were chirping in agreeing, nowdays, it's 1 vs the rest and the haters get pummeled.

I don't think Vettel has ever been a spoilt brat. A brat describes someone who feels entitled to something. And Vettel has worked his a## off to achieve what he has. That isn't the action of someone who is spoilt. Lewis maybe? I do get a sense he's lived his life growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth. But mostly about what's come out of his mouth, and there are so many stupid things he's said, that tells me more. Anyway I won't go into Lewis anymore on this haha.

Vettel is a perfectionist. Anything less that what he strives for is a failure in his mind. Thus his actions if he misses out on pole position or whatever is the situation, shows he not only wants to do better, he's psyching himself up to do so.

Well, most drivers come out with stupid things at times, especially in the heat of the moment. Obviously, we like to analyse everything they say and jump on it, especially if we don't like said driver. However, personally I don't find there's an awful lot to dislike about Vettel, but it wasn't that long ago you would hear the odd radio message from Vettel to Rocky saying something along the lines of 'he is in my way, do something about it' and this was referring to an opponent he was racing, not lapping. If you wanted to analyse comments, that would sound more like it is coming from somebody who thought they were entitled.

Regarding Lewis and the silver spoon in his mouth, well I don't know for certain, but it sounds like his dad was working 2 or 3 jobs at times, just to put Lewis through carting, etc. So, while I don't think they were ever destitute, it certainly doesn't sound like silver spoon territory. However, I think Lewis is just one of those people who doesn't know how to 'always convey their emotions in a manner pleasing to the general consensus' shall we say?

Regarding the whole driver and stupid comments issue, or indeed sports people in general, I do find it a tad amusing or maybe even disrepectful at times, that a sports person can get criticised so much for not being the brightest spark, shall we say. The prime example for me was always David Beckham. The stick he used to get for sounding stupid was unbelievable. The thing is, he was not in the limelight because of his intellect, he was there because of the ability in his feet and his 'footballing brain'. Don't get me wrong, it's nice when sports people have the gift of the gab, but it's certainly not essential.

[Emmcee 0]

I don't know about lewis either, his book I read states his dad had to work a number of jobs just to allow lewis to go karting. Often 2-3 at once.

[KoolMonkey 0]

If Lewis' Dad was working 3 jobs just to put him through karting and so on, it surely can't have been for too many years, since didn't McLaren sponsor him starting when he was only 8?

At any rate, it wasn't Lewis who was out doing paper routes and mowing the lawns, it was his Dad working his a## off. Thus he may not have been born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he does still seem to me to a person who looks for others to provide him with whatever it is he wants or needs, rather than just going out there, working hard to achieve it. Maybe he was home schooled, but he also gives me the vibe of someone who is immature in the sense of lacking in social interaction skills. It's only an observation, but I've always had it when I've watched him talk or being interviewed and so on.

[Emmcee 0]

If Lewis' Dad was working 3 jobs just to put him through karting and so on, it surely can't have been for too many years, since didn't McLaren sponsor him starting when he was only 8?

At any rate, it wasn't Lewis who was out doing paper routes and mowing the lawns, it was his Dad working his a## off. Thus he may not have been born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he does still seem to me to a person who looks for others to provide him with whatever it is he wants or needs, rather than just going out there, working hard to achieve it. Maybe he was home schooled, but he also gives me the vibe of someone who is immature in the sense of lacking in social interaction skills. It's only an observation, but I've always had it when I've watched him talk or being interviewed and so on.

I don't know what it is, I sense the same, but I have with Vettel in the past aswell, couldn't stand to hear his voice, but a mate of mine thinks Hamilton thinks he is special because he is the only, black man there, so he feels like he is holding them on his own. I don't know, bit harsh to me but you never know. I think it's because he was fast as soon as he came into f1 and was giving alonso a run for his money so he thinks he is better than he actually is. IMO 2007 was some of his best driving to date, which is a shame really, best I've seen him drive, Fuji 2007, unbelievable.

[pabloh20 1]

If Lewis' Dad was working 3 jobs just to put him through karting and so on, it surely can't have been for too many years, since didn't McLaren sponsor him starting when he was only 8?

At any rate, it wasn't Lewis who was out doing paper routes and mowing the lawns, it was his Dad working his a## off. Thus he may not have been born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he does still seem to me to a person who looks for others to provide him with whatever it is he wants or needs, rather than just going out there, working hard to achieve it. Maybe he was home schooled, but he also gives me the vibe of someone who is immature in the sense of lacking in social interaction skills. It's only an observation, but I've always had it when I've watched him talk or being interviewed and so on.

Well, he was 12 or 13, when he signed for the young driver programme, not 8 and he started karting from an earlier age, so I guess his Dad could have been quite a few years doing several jobs at a time.

Vettel was signed to the Red Bull junior team, from a young age too. in fact they both signed for their respective teams in 1998, of course, Vettel would be nearly 2 years younger, though. Quite similar paths, by the looks of it. I am not sure there is any evidence to suggest that Vettel has worked any harder to achieve what he has, unless there are accounts of him doing paper rounds and mowing the lawns, or something? I have not read anything about his personal life, so I have no idea.

I would imagine though, it's a complete fallacy that a driver could make it into F1 without working hard. I think the days of 'happening' into F1 have long, long gone. It seems more likely that our inference of how hard a driver works, either to get into F1 or whilst in F1, is down to personal perception and bias.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Vettel is a perfectionist. Anything less that what he strives for is a failure in his mind. Thus his actions if he misses out on pole position or whatever is the situation, shows he not only wants to do better, he's psyching himself up to do so.

Simply beautiful! Right on target!

[BradSpeedMan 6]

I don't know what it is, I sense the same, but I have with Vettel in the past aswell, couldn't stand to hear his voice, but a mate of mine thinks Hamilton thinks he is special because he is the only, black man there, so he feels like he is holding them on his own. I don't know, bit harsh to me but you never know. I think it's because he was fast as soon as he came into f1 and was giving alonso a run for his money so he thinks he is better than he actually is. IMO 2007 was some of his best driving to date, which is a shame really, best I've seen him drive, Fuji 2007, unbelievable.

I agree over 2007, a pity he did'nt win that year, as I felt he drove very well over the course of the entire season

On skin colour, many black ppl over here support him because he is just black. As a coloured person myself I just dont get it. Fact is they're missing the point. Hamilton has to work harder and wiser to prove that he is on the level of Vettel or Alonso. They certainly worked hard to get where they are! His constant bickering and pop lyfestyle is really grating and working on my nerves. Yes he has the talent and I believe he could be the fastest racer out there on the grid, but he needs to catch a wake-up and work harder. He's far too talented to just linger 2nd - 4th best!

[Emmcee 0]

I agree over 2007, a pity he did'nt win that year, as I felt he drove very well over the course of the entire season

On skin colour, many black ppl over here support him because he is just black. As a coloured person myself I just dont get it. Fact is they're missing the point. Hamilton has to work harder and wiser to prove that he is on the level of Vettel or Alonso. They certainly worked hard to get where they are! His constant bickering and pop lyfestyle is really grating and working on my nerves. Yes he has the talent and I believe he could be the fastest racer out there on the grid, but he needs to catch a wake-up and work harder. He's far too talented to just linger 2nd - 4th best!

I also think he is very quick, just a shame he has lost the strong head had in his rookie season, I thought this guy was going to be unstoppable with a bit of experience under his belt, but he crumbles over pressure on and of the circuit.

[Massa 0]

At any rate, it wasn't Lewis who was out doing paper routes and mowing the lawns, it was his Dad working his a## off. Thus he may not have been born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he does still seem to me to a person who looks for others to provide him with whatever it is he wants or needs, rather than just going out there, working hard to achieve it. Maybe he was home schooled, but he also gives me the vibe of someone who is immature in the sense of lacking in social interaction skills. It's only an observation, but I've always had it when I've watched him talk or being interviewed and so on.

Talk about jumping to massive conclusions because someone's adult parent worked hard to provide for his talented child's advancement, and because that child wasn't employed. Sorry, but it's just unbelievable.

[Emmcee 0]

Yeah I had a laugh about this to, what you want him to do? Work at some sweatshop making Nike sneakers?

[KoolMonkey 0]

That's an over reaction guys, but it made me laugh too. A sweatshop, no, but knowing your Dad worked your a## off for you, only to dump him later in the ones career, hmm that's a poor show.

You've taken one extreme here, whereby I simply stated Hamilton gives me the impression he is a sit and wait kind of person. Rather than just going out there, and doing what it takes to get what you want. And you're right I have no way to know if he works any less hard than Vettel, but there is enough public info out there to show that Vettel does work his a## off, and there is enough evidence and episodes to show Hamilton has done a heck of a lot of unproductive and stupid stuff when he's not racing either. It's not proof, it's not sciences, it's opinions, observations and gut feelings, which in this case is mine.

I still believe Hamilton doesn't put in the kind of work, time and energy than Vettel does. I don't see him sticking around after GP wins, and going over the data with his engineers or hitting the simulator back in England a day after a race, to not waste any time and improve all you can.

I see Vettel doing more than is require of him, spending way more time than he's even getting paid to do. He's not doing the minimum, he's doing the maximum, and I cannot no matter what angle I look at it, see Hamilton doing the same. I'm sure he's doing more than the minimum, but do not believe he's also giving his maximum. Not when we've seen him so out of sorts and on many occasions, all mopey and sad because Nicole left him or whatever.

[Emmcee 0]

I have to agree, his best driving was his first season. No distractions, just a hungry kid with a point to proove. He did just that in what I have to say is his best win to date, Fuji 2007. Since he has won the title, he seems to have this attitude like, " well, iam a champion, iam young, I have Sh#te loads of money, I do what I want". I truly think one great sportsman should have the ability to zone out a separate life from work, Michael Jordan, classic example, still dominating in the 93 nba finals and notching up 55 points and the game winning shot,after hearing his dad was murdered, most people would leave, not him, zoned out and did the job at hand first.