Alonso Or Kimi Gone?

[BrisbaneAndy 0]

That was what I was writing about yesterday, no need to get angry if someone does not share your positive thoughts towards your favourite driver, hence the sensitive comment.

[Guest]

While everyone bangs on about Fernando (nobody other than Flavio loves me)Alonso and Kimi(give me the goddamn paycheck) Raikonnen. They are getting mullerred by Lewis, Nico and Seb. Maybe both these hasbeens should pack it in for good.

[BrisbaneAndy 0]

I see what you mean, but didn't you mean Ricciardo, rather than Seb?

[Emmcee 0]

While everyone bangs on about Fernando (nobody other than Flavio loves me)Alonso and Kimi(give me the goddamn paycheck) Raikonnen. They are getting mullerred by Lewis, Nico and Seb. Maybe both these hasbeens should pack it in for good.

But people know, alonso has had inadequate machinery since he joined Ferrari. He is the best out there, a level above the rest.

[Guest]

Alonso and Kimi will never be WDC again. Deal with it. Alondo may get a merc drive in 2016, but by then , they will not be top of the tree. Kimi may even get an extension at ferrari to pay his bar bill. They are the past. Its always a little awkward when someone stays a little too long at the party.

[Emmcee 0]

You talking about kimi? Because you should know that not always the best driver out there is crowned champion. I couldn't care if Alonso doesn't win another title. It diesnt take away the fact he has been the fastest out there for the last 8 seasons. Kimi is done, fernando, not yet

[Guest]

One is underperforming on track, the other is underperforming off it. Same result, best days behind them. And a load of nostalgia (and cash) to keep them going. I actually believe that the very best are always in the most competitive car . Senna, Prost, schumi...even Lewis.

Just face it, your arguing which dinosaur will become extinct last. Does it matter, the sport has evolved and they haven't.

[Emmcee 0]

And you think lewis performs better on and off the track than alonso? Where have you been? Have you missed Lewis's of track crying sessions. You can tell when he fights with his Missus, because it affects his driving for the next few races. Alonso has scored more points than any other Ferrari driver since Schumi. Where do you think Ferrari would be without him? Atleast 11 victories further back. The very best don't have the best cars. The best cars now are Mercedes and alonso drives for Ferrari. Haven't you ever seen the full race distances he puts in at qualifying pace? He does this every race because his car is simply not fast enough. This season, kimi is showing us exactly where ferraris pace is, yet how much higher is alonso in the points? Almost 100 points ahead, almost 4 wins. Look, that's your opinion and that's fine, but there is a heck of alot of people out there that agree that alonso has been the best since he won his first title way back in 2005. He is the only guy since Mika Hakkinen to beat schumacher to the title.

Anyway, I've started to think maybe Alonso isn't leaving Ferrari. It's kimi, and iam starting to get this feeling it's kimi who might go back to Mclaren. Iam sure Ron would take him back, he has a soft spot for fins. IMO, Mclaren is kimis home, that's the kimi i used to remember, it's so hard to see him in any other color, it simply doesn't suit him lol. Kimis return to Ferrari is supposed to be his last move of his career. But no one predicted the serving he would get, not even him, so retirement at Ferrari either looks sooner than expected or he will have to find a new home to see out the rest if his days, like its his plan b. same with Alonso, he was supposed to retire with Ferrari, he even said he would, but years of receiving slower cars have made him tired and I Beleive retirement was on the cards sooner than expected. That's until Honda show up. If what the press said is true and he has cut all ties with Ferrari, then he to is opting for a plan b. But I feel he is staying as he hinted his car next year won't be powered by Mercedes. So he is either: 1-staying with Ferrari

2- moving to Mclaren

Or 3- retirement/sabbatical.

He also said that time away isn't what he has in mind but we shall see. If he is staying I think seb making a big announcement now is to try and get in alonso's head already and try catch him of guard. Because I think seb will find it just as hard as kimi to beat fernando if he doesn't rattle him abit. But that's IF seb is going to Ferrari.

[Guest]

Without Alonso, Ferrari would be exactly where they are now....in the brown stuff. The last time he was in a winning car, Lewis kicked his butt. The last time Lewis,Seb, Jenson or Kimi were in a winning car, they won WDC, hell even Massa almost did. He's just become a grumpy old man because he knows he's not getting another chance.To me, he's the new Webber.

[Emmcee 0]

How is being on the same points getting his butt kicked, iam not standing up for alonso but that could've swung either way. Yes lewis was mega impressive but IMO that was by far his best season in f1 and has failed to match that sort of consistancy. Mentally lewis is a scrambled egg. His gf controls his race results basically as any fued with them results in an alienated Hamilton. But he is getting better i must admit, but until I see him finish a season second in the standings with a car over a second a lap slower than the winning teams, then I might agree with your statement, it's not just me, the entire f1 paddock has continuously said he is the most fastest and consistant driver out there. IMO kimi didnt win the title because of the car, Massa should've been champion that year. In terms of driving performance, kimi didnt deserve to win that title, he coasted to the win. But hey kimi did win it so, can't take that away from him, but that's just how I feel on how he done it. You don't necccesarily have to be a champion to be a champion.

[Guest]

"You don't necccesarily have to be a champion to be a champion"

Spoken like a true Webber fan!!!

[Emmcee 0]

Well you don't, some of the most famous drivers havnt claimed the crown. Whats wrong with webber anyway? Man you sound bitter. Why is that? Out of my whole post, that's the only thing you could understand or was that the only thing you had an answer for?

[Emmcee 0]

Ohh another thing "DPR" seems like you support James Hunt do you not? It may suprise you that hunt only has one more victory and pole the your underated Mark Webber. How's that work? It's quite funny. Hunt only won the title after niki was out but Webber nearly won his with a full competitive grid. So I'd give webber the heads up there as I personally Beleive Lauda would have taken it. James Hunt was just the 70s version of Webber hey? Lol.

[Guest]

History will recall Hunt as A champ, play boy, fool and raw talent. History will not even recall Webber. Unfortunately he was as easy as you to wind up.All Webber had to do was the same as Alonso at McLaren... Drive faster than his teammate. They both failed.

[Guest]

At least you have half a chance with Ricciardo. He's still happy.

[Guest]

Meh

[Emmcee 0]

That's your opinion about Hunt. I found him pretty average tbh, as for Webber, it's alot hardy for an Aussie kid to get over the ocean and have a crack at f1, not like in those days they met a mechanic at the local English pub. Heck of alot easier for European kids to get in than us aussie kids. But there is one there now who I think is just about on alonso's level and that is Ricciardo. He is driving better than Hamilton, Raikkonen,Rosberg,Vettel but just a tad shy under Alonso. If you go by what other people think of as champions, then alonso has to be put higher even in your books than Hunt. Or it makes a complete mockery of the posts you have made. Didnt you also say at one point that the car is built around Alonso? You wouldn't think Ron Denis had anything to do with something similar to Hamiltons car in his debut season? Just to make it a better show? After all he was Mclaren's baby, funding his career for years before his debut as i find it quite funny he cant be as consistant as 07 even with the best car. so i put it down to personal issues he didnt have at the time he came in. But if you want to talk conspiracies, how bout webber and Redbull. Ohh also you don't wind me up, iam just correcting you.

[Guest]

Funny that quite a few Brazilians have made the trip to Europe OK. The McLaren was actually built around Kimi. The red bull initially built around Webber. So no more excuses. Be it distance, team favourites, finances or whatever. Cream always rises to the top. Webber just couldn't. Alonso is getting very near the same. Maybe they can both drive sportscar next year

[Emmcee 0]

Yeah no worries, I suppose your opinion is all that is correct.

[Guest]

Just banter mate. Nothing like the smell of a sour ausie in the morning. Although some credit goes to you for converting this thread into a Webber defence post. That's a dog we can kick all day long.

[Emmcee 0]

I couldn't care what you say about him tbh. I just find it funny how you hold such high esteem for hunt but little for webber and like I mentioned before, he is only one win and one pole behind. So if seb didnt steal the win in Malaysia or knock him out the lead in turkey 2010, maybe then he might be held higher than Hunt as he would have more wins. But hey can't be a champion unless your a champion hey? But I still see it like this, hunt had to wait for lauda to be incapacitated before he claimed his crown. Webber made a stupid error in Korea which cost him the 2010 title and abit of help from Redbull to I might add,

Preferring to back Vettel over webber even while webber was ahead in the standings. But never the less, he nearly took it out with one of the most competitive grids the sports seen. All hunt had to fight against was himself once lauda left as he couldn't fight lauda when he was there.

[Guest]

All you can do is beat what's in front of you and your teammate. If you can that is. If you think Webber is a champ then that's fine. But driving a proven WDC winning car for 4 years straight and still not claiming at least one title. Ouch. Theres no hiding place for that failure.

[Emmcee 0]

That is true, but he had the best driver in that era of formula one to contend with as a teammate. Who did hunt have? .......... Drivers who went on to be more established than him. Seems him and webber have abit in common. That's the point, there is so many things to take into account, that's why it's impossible to compare drivers from different eras. That's why I tend not to Beleive the hype around certain drivers everyone makes like kimi and villeneuve and Montoya, be ause I watch and make my own assumption on who I think sits where. Doesn't mean iam right, but doesn't mean iam wrong. With webber there is miles of things to concider and all those hinge on if he was treated the same. Which IMO is complete bs. There is videos on youtube where sebs car sounds different to everyone else's. he literally would have been treated equal but in terms of receiving upgrades that benifit him sooner than seb, no way. Webber needs the right stuff on the day and everything to fall into place to win. Where as ricciardo can make wins happen. He is the real deal IMO.

[Guest]

Hang on a minute, you've been saying Alonso is the best there is. Now you're saying Seb is the best. This year suggests seb is not all that. But still good enough to kick Webber's butt 4 years on the spin.

The 1st rule of any champion is to beat his teammate. Webber never could. He was a good wingman, until he thought he was good enough to challenge.

At least he had the dignity to shut up and walk away when he knew he was never going to win. A lesson you should consider.

[Emmcee 0]

Geez your a nice bloke arnt you? All you do is disect people's posts looking for ammo to have a go. Your opinion is all that matters, everyone is incorrect. Man you need a lesson in self control. Your just dirty because you always hated webber and now you realise webber was only one pole and one win of Hunt, your spewin, especially when you know hunt only won his title because of niki and webber nearly took it out with one of the most competitive grids we have seen. It's all on wiki, no to mention a load of fastest laps more than hunt. Yeah webber did more races than hunt, but hunt had more competitive cars than webber did.