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Monaco 2018

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A strong FP1 from Red Bull IS actually GOOD news for Mclaren.

They are BOTH running the SAME Renault power until (PU).

It is now time for Alonso to DELIVER what is expected from  the double world champion

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Practice one results:
 

Thursday Practice Session 1
POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Daniel Ricciardo Autralia Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 1:12.126
2. Max Verstappen Netherlands Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 1:12.280
3. Lewis Hamilton Britain Mercedes 1:12.480
4. Sebastian Vettel Germany Ferrari 1:13.041
5. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Ferrari 1:13.066
6. Carlos Sainz Spain Renault 1:13.456
7. Valtteri Bottas Finland Mercedes 1:13.502
8. Sergio Perez Mexico Force India-Mercedes 1:13.717
9. Romain Grosjean France Haas-Ferrari 1:13.943
10. Sergey Sirotkin Russia Williams-Mercedes 1:13.962
11. Esteban Ocon France Force India-Mercedes 1:14.000
12. Brendon Hartley New Zealand Scuderia Toro Rosso Honda 1:14.034
13. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Renault 1:14.134
14. Pierre Gasly France Scuderia Toro Rosso Honda 1:14.240
15. Stoffel Vandoorne Belgium McLaren-Renault 1:14.291
16. Charles Leclerc Monaco Sauber-Ferrari 1:14.521
17. Fernando Alonso Spain McLaren-Renault 1:14.637
18. Lance Stroll Canada Williams-Mercedes 1:14.782
19. Marcus Ericsson Sweden Sauber-Ferrari 1:15.206
20. Kevin Magnussen Denmark Haas-Ferrari 1:18.801

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Practice 2 results:

 

Thursday Practice Session 2

POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Daniel Ricciardo Autralia Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 1:11.841
2. Max Verstappen Netherlands Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 1:12.035
3. Sebastian Vettel Germany Ferrari 1:12.413
4. Lewis Hamilton Britain Mercedes 1:12.536
5. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Ferrari 1:12.543
6. Valtteri Bottas Finland Mercedes 1:12.643
7. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Renault 1:13.047
8. Stoffel Vandoorne Belgium McLaren-Renault 1:13.077
9. Fernando Alonso Spain McLaren-Renault 1:13.115
10. Carlos Sainz Spain Renault 1:13.200
11. Brendon Hartley New Zealand Scuderia Toro Rosso Honda 1:13.222
12. Sergio Perez Mexico Force India-Mercedes 1:13.370
13. Esteban Ocon France Force India-Mercedes 1:13.382
14. Pierre Gasly France Scuderia Toro Rosso Honda 1:13.410
15. Sergey Sirotkin Russia Williams-Mercedes 1:13.547
16. Kevin Magnussen Denmark Haas-Ferrari 1:13.572
17. Charles Leclerc Monaco Sauber-Ferrari 1:13.575
18. Romain Grosjean France Haas-Ferrari 1:13.763
19. Lance Stroll Canada Williams-Mercedes 1:14.011
20. Marcus Ericsson Sweden Sauber-Ferrari 1:14.173

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A few observations:

1. It looks like Red Bull is the team to beat this weekend. It has been a few years since we have said that.

2. The tier 2 teams appear to still be second slower than the top teams.

3. Renault and McLaren appear to have secured their position at the top of the tier 2 teams.

4. Williams is not sucking as bad as it has been.

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5 hours ago, Ruslan said:

4. Williams is not sucking as bad as it has been.

I'd say that stroll has been rather rubbish yesterday, despite the fact that he has had the advantage of a massive testing regime, the fact that he has been there once (a huge advantage in Monaco) and the fact that his dad is bankrolling his team, despite all this he's behind his rookie team mate :blush: I presume that by tomorrow they will make sure that Stroll is at least in front of Sirotkin but still it doesn't look great for him, I think that he's not devoid of any talent but there seems to be something missing... (brain? experience? a bit of both?)

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22 hours ago, lipstick79 said:

A strong FP1 from Red Bull IS actually GOOD news for Mclaren.

They are BOTH running the SAME Renault power until (PU).

I wonder if Red Bull and McLaren (or Renault for that matter) use the same amount of fuel

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The general rule of thumb is, the MORE fuel that U chuck at the PU the FASTER U go.
 

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There is a LOT more physics to it than that, but at a low-level the physics ARE TRUE.
MORE fuel = MORE speed

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11 hours ago, Publius Cornelius Scipio said:

I'd say that stroll has been rather rubbish yesterday, despite the fact that he has had the advantage of a massive testing regime, the fact that he has been there once (a huge advantage in Monaco) and the fact that his dad is bankrolling his team, despite all this he's behind his rookie team mate :blush: I presume that by tomorrow they will make sure that Stroll is at least in front of Sirotkin but still it doesn't look great for him, I think that he's not devoid of any talent but there seems to be something missing... (brain? experience? a bit of both?)

Well, the time differences between the two in both practice sessions are significant, so I suspect Stroll was struggling with some problems. So far this season Sirotkin has out qualified Stroll 3 times to 2.

I think Stroll's father did him a big disservice by moving him into F1 so early. I would make the same argument for Verstappen. Stroll seems like a nice enough kid (unlike Verstappen), but there is a lack of consistency.

On the other hand, Sirotkin could be an exceptional, if not raw, talent. Given that they are both rather inexperienced drivers in what is clearly a very difficult car, this is not a good situation for either them or the team. It could take the better part of the season before we get any consistent performances from them.

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Third free practice results (FP3) for the sixth round of the 2018 Formula 1 World Championship, the Monaco Grand Prix at Circuit de Monaco

POS NO DRIVER CAR TIME GAP LAPS Tyre
1 3 Daniel Ricciardo RED BULL 1:11.786   23
 
2 33 Max Verstappen RED BULL 1:11.787 +0.001 14
 
3 5 Sebastian Vettel FERRARI 1:12.023 +0.237 23
 
4 7 Kimi Räikkönen FERRARI 1:12.142 +0.356 26
 
5 44 Lewis Hamilton MERCEDES 1:12.273 +0.487 26
 
6 77 Valtteri Bottas MERCEDES 1:12.356 +0.570 27
 
7 28 Brendon Hartley TORO ROSSO 1:12.752 +0.966 25
 
8 10 Pierre Gasly TORO ROSSO 1:12.761 +0.975 23
 
9 55 Carlos Sainz RENAULT 1:12.850 +1.064 24
 
10 35 Sergey Sirotkin WILLIAMS 1:12.854 +1.068 23
 
11 2 Stoffel Vandoorne MCLAREN 1:12.874 +1.088 25
 
12 31 Esteban Ocon FORCE INDIA  1:12.940 +1.154 23
 
13 31 Sergio Perez FORCE INDIA 1:13.025 +1.239 22
 
14 27 Nico Hulkenberg RENAULT 1:13.112 +1.326 26
 
15 14 Fernando Alonso MCLAREN 1:13.279 +1.493 25
 
16 18 Lance Stroll WILLIAMS 1:13.595 +1.809 26
 
17 37 Charles Leclerc SAUBER 1:13.644 +1.858 25
 
18 8 Romain Grosjean HAAS 1:13.881 +2.095 21
 
19 20 Kevin Magnussen HAAS 1:14.192 +2.406 20
 
20 9 Marcus Ericsson  SAUBER 1:14.221 +2.435 28
 

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Watched qualifying this morning. A few observations:

1. Shame that Verstappen was not in the top three. Would have made the race a whole lot more interesting.

2. There is still over a second between the top cars and the tier 2 teams.

3. How is it that the two Finns are always outqualified by their teammates? I think they both need to be replaced.

4. Lots of up-and-coming drivers I think highly off were showing their stuff (Perez, Ocon, Gasly, Leclerc). One of these guys (or all of them) deserve a top ride.

5. Sirotkin shows what the Williams is capable of. Stroll shows what he is not capable of. He was very whiney.   

6. Not sure what happened with Magnussen. They interviewed him after the session and he really didn't say anything.

Edited by Ruslan

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The qualifying results:

session at the Monaco Grand Prix at Circuit de Monaco.

Pos Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3 Laps
1 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1:12.013 1:11.278 1:10.810 17
2 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:12.415 1:11.518 1:11.039 21
3 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:12.460 1:11.584 1:11.232 22
4 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1:12.639 1:11.391 1:11.266 22
5 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:12.434 1:12.002 1:11.441 25
6 Esteban Ocon Force India 1:13.122 1:12.188 1:11.061 27
7 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1:12.657 1:12.269 1:12.110 26
8 Carlos Sainz Renault 1:12.950 1:12.286 1:12.130 28
9 Sergio Perez Force India 1:12.848 1:12.194 1:12.154 23
10 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso 1:12.941 1:12.313 1:12.221 29
11 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 1:13.065 1:12.411   22
12 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1:12.463 1:12.440   19
13 Sergey Sirotkin Williams 1:12.706 1:12.521   19
14 Charles Leclerc Sauber 1:12.829 1:12.714   20
15 Romain Grosjean Haas F1 1:12.930 1:12.728   21
16 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso 1:13.179     12
17 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 1:13.265     11
18 Lance Stroll Williams 1:13.323     10
19 Kevin Magnussen Haas F1 1:13.393     12
20 Max Verstappen Red Bull       0

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13 minutes ago, Sakae said:

28 May 2018, 13:46 (CEST)

Mercedes junior Esteban Ocon was subject of team orders from the Silver Arrows to benefit Lewis Hamilton at the Monaco

Luxury not available to Vettel, when much slower Stoffel Vandoorne was blocking road to him for the distance of 1.5 laps.

Vettel aside, the fact that Ocon was asked twice to let Hamilton and  Bottas through wasn't great, I felt sorry for him

Other than that Ricciardo drove well and it was very boring. I'm amazed at how incompetent Williams is becoming, they might have scored some points with Sirotkin yesterday but unbelievably they didn't fit his tyres at the 2 minutes threshold, not even club racers are so silly. The car mustn't be too shabby, I think that Sirotkin is a reasonably decent driver but not the next Lewis Hamilton, with a good driver they would probably acieve much more than now. I was suprised that Versbatten didn't hit anyone yesterday, but it seems as if the pit wall was reminding him to keep it easy every time he got anywhere near another car :loljump:

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Yea....not a whole lot to talk about this race. I was watching it with a friend, so we spent most of our time talking about the commentators (they are not bad, but the old team of David Hobbs, Steve Matchett and Will Buxton were simply better).

A few more comments:

1. Ocon/Mercedes/team orders: This is what happens when we have all these B teams out there. Does anyone expect to see Haas or Sauber hold up Vettel or Toro Rosso hold up Verstappen? Anyhow, I don't think it influenced the race results.

2. Williams: Well, every team makes mistakes like that....but Williams used to be known for not making too many mistakes like that. No sure where the problems lies, but they may need to re-organize (which can mean a lot of things). Anyhow...the car is not a complete turkey and I expect to see them outperforming at least Sauber over time. We need to see more of Sirotkin. He may be good enough to be in F1, even though he bought his seat (but then...so to did Niki Lauda).

3. Ocon/Gasly/Leclerc: These guys all had good races, even though Leclerc hit someone in the rear.

4. Leclerc/Hartley accident: I gather Leclerc was having brake problems. Maybe if he had a few seasons under his belt, he may better dealt with the problem before going into the back of Hartley...but....I still think he looks very good.

5. Verstappen:  Actually, it was not a particularly inspired or good drive by Verstappen. He may have been under so much pressure from his repeated accidents that he tiptoed through the race to make sure he did not have another one. Unfortunately, there is sometimes a fine line between inspired and foolish, and Verstappen this season has clearly stepped over the line from inspired to foolish. But now he does not look inspired. Red Bull has to be careful how to manage this one. They need to keep up his spirit and only tame it a little bit.

Anyhow, Canada is a very different track. Not sure who it will favor, but it certainly will not favor Red Bull. Suspect they may have gotten their only two wins for the season.

 

 

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