Teammate Wars: British Gp

[bajo39 0]

A bit late because I am travelling in Africa at the moment but nonetheless...

Team-Mate Wars Round 11

Takuma Sato and Juan Montoya have one thing in common after the Brirtish Grand Prix. They both lost out to their team-mates. Kimi Raikkonen had to put on a hell of a display to beat Juan-Pablo, for Jenson it was just a question of getting to his grid slot.

Ferrari

Race: Schumacher 0

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Monty:

The independent jury's verdict is in and your driver has come out the loser, as he has nearly all season. In fact, the battle between your man and his teammate at 12-1 is the least competitive of any in F1 at the moment by far. For someone who tipped him to win the WDC this year, you have an awful lot of explaining to do.

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Monty:

The independent jury's verdict is in and your driver has come out the loser, as he has nearly all season. In fact, the battle between your man and his teammate at 12-1 is the least competitive of any in F1 at the moment by far. For someone who tipped him to win the WDC this year, you have an awful lot of explaining to do.

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Bajo. I never said that he was better than Kimi. It is just appauling to see how some of the posters would resort to such measures to make thier point.

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I don't like how webber and nick are now equal.......

[Fed up 0]

JPM went from 3rd to 1st on the first lap and then traded fastest laps with FA, and you still give the race to KR...

Controversial

[cavallino 2]

why does barrichello get a sympathy point?

[Monty 0]

JPM went from 3rd to 1st on the first lap and then traded fastest laps with FA, and you still give the race to KR...

Controversial

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True from 3rd to 1st, he can't better that position. Kimi did good from 12th to 13th, but of course he had the oppurtunity to pass 11 drivers on the way, and he wound up 3rd. JPM could pass 2 drivers and he did that in the begining and after that he just had to protect his spot.

[Null 0]

And anyway, why should Webber be given the point over Heidfeld? Heidfeld was on the old aero package and he gained 2 places from his quali position where as Webber only gained 1 position. This shows that heidfeld drove that (now) rubbish williams better than mark could drive the new "faster" one with improved aero package. The time difference between the two cars was small too if I remember how they crossed the line correctly. Give the point to heidfeld..... go on... Mark is not deserving this week.

[YHR 0]

A bit late because I am travelling in Africa at the moment but nonetheless...

Team-Mate Wars Round 11

Takuma Sato and Juan Montoya have one thing in common after the Brirtish Grand Prix. They both lost out to their team-mates. Kimi Raikkonen had to put on a hell of a display to beat Juan-Pablo, for Jenson it was just a question of getting to his grid slot.

Ferrari

Race: Schumacher  0

[Fed up 0]

The race went to Massa, only becuase JV screwed up his pit stop.  He was actually running ahead of Massa until the first pit stop, so I am not sure what race you were watching

JV made a bad mistake and it cost him finishing in front of Massa and silencing his critics.  Instead he opened the door for more critiscm of his driving.  He qualified well ahead of Massa and would have finished in the top 10 right behind RS in the Toyota, if it hadn't been for his screw up.  Very unfortunate for him

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School boy error

Ex WDC do not fight for top 10 positions, they should fight for race wins

[bajo39 0]

The race went to Massa, only becuase JV screwed up his pit stop.  He was actually running ahead of Massa until the first pit stop, so I am not sure what race you were watching

JV made a bad mistake and it cost him finishing in front of Massa and silencing his critics.  Instead he opened the door for more critiscm of his driving.  He qualified well ahead of Massa and would have finished in the top 10 right behind RS in the Toyota, if it hadn't been for his screw up.  Very unfortunate for him

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I think you have answered your own question with this: "JV made a bad mistake and it cost him finishing in front of Massa"

I am a JV fan but Massa won. Surely you can deal with it too?

[chennaiguy 0]

A bit late because I am travelling in Africa at the moment but nonetheless...

McLaren-Mercedes

Race: Montoya/de la Rosa/Wurz 0

[bajo39 0]

JPM went from 3rd to 1st on the first lap and then traded fastest laps with FA, and you still give the race to KR...

Controversial

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I am sure it is controversial... in Columbia!

FACTS:

-Raikkonen outqualified Montoya by nearly half a second on heavier fuel.

-Raikkonen went from 12th to 3rd versus 3rd to 1st for Montoya

-Raikkonen set a faster fastest lap

CONSENSUS OPINION:

Raikkonen would have won if he were allowed to maintain his earned qualifying position (which was ahead of the Columbian despite his being on heavier fuel).

CONCLUSION:

-Raikkonen having outperformed his teammate despite the results not reflecting this wins the points in this round of the teammate wars.

[bajo39 0]

hey i think monty deserves his win and he shud be the star of the race britishgp/he did a gud job -kimi also performed well-with the potential of mclaren i think monty tried to push at some places harder then after he got a decent gap tried to put decent laps to maintain the lead-gud job monty but kimi has to push harder to get on to the top

then narain is definitely faster during free practices on british track and its a known track for him-if not for the elec failure it wudve been nice to see my guy demonstrating some gud performances on the track

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Do you have anything of value, e.g. a well reasoned argument based on new facts or an interesting new interpretation of the known facts, to add to our discussion? I assume not. Perhaps then you could just clarify what the basis for your opinion is. It is not clear.

[chennaiguy 0]

Do you have anything of value, e.g. a well reasoned argument based on new facts or an interesting new interpretation of the known facts, to add to our discussion? I assume not. Perhaps then you could just clarify what the basis for your opinion is. It is not clear.

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well all i wanna say is monty -kimi 1/0 shud be corrected bcoz i felt monty did a gud job and narian/tiago 1/0 is ok with me

by the by if u feel u r the gr8 guy who always have anything of value, e.g. a well reasoned argument based on new facts or an interesting new interpretation of the known facts, to add to our discussion?then its ur assumption -everyone have their own fav team/driver and they try to give views based on that so whats ur problem my pal-have i used any abuse words or ....

[Fed up 0]

I am sure it is controversial... in Columbia!

FACTS:

-Raikkonen outqualified Montoya by nearly half a second on heavier fuel.

-Raikkonen went from 12th to 3rd versus 3rd to 1st for Montoya

-Raikkonen set a faster fastest lap

CONSENSUS OPINION:

Raikkonen would have won if he were allowed to maintain his earned qualifying position (which was ahead of the Columbian despite his being on heavier fuel).

CONCLUSION:

-Raikkonen having outperformed his teammate despite the results not reflecting this wins the points in this round of the teammate wars.

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Montoya was fourth out in qualifying so was disadvantaged by the lack of rubber laid down on the track, as you know, yet he was still able to put in a blinding time.

Kimi's fastest lap of 1:20.502 was made on the 60th lap

Montoya's fastest lap of 1:20.700 was made on the 41st lap

It is quite obvious to me that Montoya shaded the race on pure pace, I am certain that JPM could have matched KR for race pace if they were dicing for the win as he clearly did in the final race of 2004

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Monty:

The independent jury's verdict is in and your driver has come out the loser, as he has nearly all season. In fact, the battle between your man and his teammate at 12-1 is the least competitive of any in F1 at the moment by far. For someone who tipped him to win the WDC this year, you have an awful lot of explaining to do.

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My sentiments exactly!

[Senna 0]

I am sure it is controversial... in Columbia!

FACTS:

-Raikkonen outqualified Montoya by nearly half a second on heavier fuel.

-Raikkonen went from 12th to 3rd versus 3rd to 1st for Montoya

-Raikkonen set a faster fastest lap

CONSENSUS OPINION:

Raikkonen would have won if he were allowed to maintain his earned qualifying position (which was ahead of the Columbian despite his being on heavier fuel).

CONCLUSION:

-Raikkonen having outperformed his teammate despite the results not reflecting this wins the points in this round of the teammate wars.

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Exactly, and although JPM went out earlier than Raikkonen, the Finn was significantly faster with more fuel.

[Monty 0]

Montoya was fourth out in qualifying so was disadvantaged by the lack of rubber laid down on the track, as you know, yet he was still able to put in a blinding time.

Kimi's fastest lap of 1:20.502 was made on the 60th lap

Montoya's fastest lap of 1:20.700 was made on the 41st lap

It is quite obvious to me that Montoya shaded the race on pure pace, I am certain that JPM could have matched KR for race pace if they were dicing for the win as he clearly did in the final race of 2004

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Post Race Interview:

(Panos Diamantis

[Senna 0]

Post Race Interview:

And also remember JPM was the only driver to dip below 1:20's twice.

Lap 40 1:20:737

Lap 41 1:20:700

Once he is ahead of FA, there is no need for him to push. Kimi had all the reasons to push for he has to close the gap, whereas JPM has to maintian his position.

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Immaterial!

Kimi was faster in both qualifying and the race by a significant margin. It was very similar to Australia 2005 in that just as Fizzy won because Alonso was unfortunate, the Spaniard was clearly quicker, JPM won because Raikkonen was unfortunate enough to have his engine fail on him, the Finn was substantially quicker. JPM got a lucky victory.

[Monty 0]

Immaterial!

Kimi was faster in both qualifying and the race by a significant margin.  It was very similar to Australia 2005 in that just as Fizzy won because Alonso was unfortunate, the Spaniard was clearly quicker, JPM won because Raikkonen was unfortunate enough to have his engine fail on him, the Finn was substantially quicker.  JPM got a lucky victory.

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OK. But JPM did beat Alonso fair and square. Wouldn't you agree?

[Fed up 0]

Immaterial!

Kimi was faster in both qualifying and the race by a significant margin.  It was very similar to Australia 2005 in that just as Fizzy won because Alonso was unfortunate, the Spaniard was clearly quicker, JPM won because Raikkonen was unfortunate enough to have his engine fail on him, the Finn was substantially quicker.  JPM got a lucky victory.

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McClaren did not take on JPM to be significantly slower than KR, they already had DC. JPM and KR are very closely matched drivers hence the reason McClaren are paying him upwards of $10m a year.

[Senna 0]

McClaren did not take on JPM to be significantly slower than KR, they already had DC. JPM and KR are very closely matched drivers hence the reason McClaren are paying him upwards of $10m a year.

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I

[Null 0]

And anyway, why should Webber be given the point over Heidfeld?

[Senna 0]

OI BAJO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!

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Explain your outburst!