Fuel Limitations In F1

[rodders47 2]

It appears that Max Moseley is thinking of limiting the fuel allowed for a race, with disregards to the number of engine cylinders/ means of aspiration etc.

To me this is the VERY most significant move that can be made in F1 for a number of reasons:

1. It relates to the every day car driver i.e. the cost of transport.

2. It also relates to the performance output of a vehicle in relation to fuel used

3. it MUST only be beneficial to ALL that drive motor cars , knowing that the manufacturers will derive every last drop of energy from every last drop of fuel.

4. And I do not believe it will detract from the spectale of F1 in any way, maybe even ADD to it when the front runner stops due to lack of the GO JUICE :-)

To me this IS the most sensible thing that F1 could ever do !

What's your thoughts ?

[MSR 0]

Has been my argument ever since they spacified the v10. I liked the variety.

Bring back turbo's I know from my STi that when you use the power the fuel consumption skyrockets so would be self regulating as to power output.

Easy to control ultimate pace, If they get to fast drop the fuel allocation for the next year by 3 or 4 liters.

Specify

1 Restricted level of fuel (aiming for approximately 600hp)

2 Single tyres specification

3 Maximum dimensions of car

4 Minimum Weight (Perhaps 500kg ,hence lower hp, so smart design rather than well placed ballast would be an advantage)

5 Minimul driver aids

6 Maximum amount of downforce produced at a specified speed

Would really get the interest going in the differant technology and provide pretty interesting racing.

A small turbo revving it's a## of against a V12 revving slowly and relying on the torque and maybey even someone game to try a rotary would be back to the origins of the sport.

Think finaly max has had a good idea, Pity it wasen't 10 years ago

[Wez 0]

Mosely needs his head checked!

[Jenson_Rules 0]

mosley needs beheading!

[rodders47 2]

well MSR the lowering of maximum weight would be a great start. How many cars produced these days are without BALLAST?

Come on those in the know tell us what the ballast is that is fitted to extreme lightweight cars?

So if that surplus weight is reduced, then the need for less horsepower is appropriate!!

Yeah I go along with Jens about Max on EVERY other issue, but this one does have some merit, well I think anyway

[nojvnof1 0]

It's one of his better ideas, but then again, it's not that hard for any ideas of his to be better than some of the royal doozies he's put forward.

[rodders47 2]

yeah beats me how he keeps his job???

If I made that many stuff ups in my job I'd be walking the streets LOL

[F1 FANatic 1]

think of what it would do if the fule was limited

he would just give them enough fule to finish the race in a solar powered car. by regulating the fule they have even more control over the design then ever. if they gave twice as much fule as the teams use now then it would be unlimited but if they say, hey, you get half of what you use now, then the teams have to work on fule efficincy and not speed. it will be preius vs. some other hybrid car. this would be the worst move ever.

[FerarriFan69 0]

I agree with where Mosley is going with this, but think it will only work under certain conditions. I think they should:

1. Have very low fuel allowances. Basically to figure this allowance, the FIA would need to base it on what the current 2.4 liter normally aspirated engine would burn in order to create current horsepower levels, then cut that figure by about 50%. They would also have to ban dangerous fuels that might be to volitile.

2. Allow turbocharging, supercharging, rotary engines, flat engines, and any varying degree angles. Basically, have no regulations governing the design configuration or size of the engines...only the materials used.

3. Strictly govern the materials used in engines and limit them to materials that can be reasonably incorporated into road-going vehicle engines.

4. Drop the minimum weight as low as possible while still retaining safety standards of today. Figure out who has the lightest car now (without ballast) and use that as the minimum.

5. De-regulate tires, allowing slicks, but put a limit on the number of tires allowed for the entire season, INCLUDING TESTING!!! (this would GREATLY reduce testing costs)

6. Greatly de-regulate aerodynamic advances. Set a minimum and maximum width, height, and length of the cars, prohibit anything that covers the wheels, prohibit anything that can be moved while on track, and let them fly!

7. Ban all driver aids, with the exception of traction control and the paddle shifters for the semi-auto transmissions.

8. Bring back the old free-for-all qualifying format where everyone runs at once. (I had to throw that one in there!)

[monza gorilla 1]

First of all, welcome to the forum!

I have in the past proposed similar deregulation and agree with most of your points, particularly freedom of engine configuration and aerodynamic design, but disagree strongly with points 1 and 7.

1. It would be a folly, I think, to introduce such a draconian limit on fuel immediately, otherwise a GP would only last about 30 laps, or would cut speeds to pedestrian levels. Let's start with, say, 200litres, to be carried on board ie no refuelling during the race. This amount could be decreased year on year, which would give the engine suppliers a chance to develop more fuel efficient power units without drastically cutting power outputs. Remember that this has been done, and we have had the sight of cars coasting to a halt toward the end (often well before the end) of a race because the driver and team have failed to manage their fuel reserves properly.

7. Traction control and semi auto transmissions have no place in a test of driver skill, and increase fuel consumption through their operation.

[Senna 0]

FerarriFan69

[FerarriFan69 0]

First of all, welcome to the forum!

I have in the past proposed similar deregulation and agree with most of your points, particularly freedom of engine configuration and aerodynamic design, but disagree strongly with points 1 and 7.

1. It would be a folly, I think, to introduce such a draconian limit on fuel immediately, otherwise a GP would only last about 30 laps, or would cut speeds to pedestrian levels. Let's start with, say, 200litres, to be carried on board ie no refuelling during the race. This amount could be decreased year on year, which would give the engine suppliers a chance to develop more fuel efficient power units without drastically cutting power outputs. Remember that this has been done, and we have had the sight of cars coasting to a halt toward the end (often well before the end) of a race because the driver and team have failed to manage their fuel reserves properly.

7. Traction control and semi auto transmissions have no place in a test of driver skill, and increase fuel consumption through their operation.

I really think you could cut fuel as much as 50%, even to start. Keep in mind, with much lighter cars, and pretty much free reign on the aerodynamics, the cars would automatically get much better mileage. As far as semi-auto transmissions, they actually get better mileage than standard manual transmissions. Also, keep in mind that there would be freedom to go to smaller engines to get better mileage.

[Jenson_Rules 0]

I DONT WANT ALL THESE REGULATIONS AND RULES AND BLAH DE BLAH. All i want is more overtaking and less driver aids. the cars are slow enough already and i dont want it to change tht much. all these new proposals are really turning me off. MAx needs beheading.

[mock 0]

It appears that Max Moseley is thinking of limiting the fuel allowed for a race, with disregards to the number of engine cylinders/ means of aspiration etc.

To me this is the VERY most significant move that can be made in F1 for a number of reasons:

1. It relates to the every day car driver i.e. the cost of transport.

2. It also relates to the performance output of a vehicle in relation to fuel used

3. it MUST only be beneficial to ALL that drive motor cars , knowing that the manufacturers will derive every last drop of energy from every last drop of fuel.

4. And I do not believe it will detract from the spectale of F1 in any way, maybe even ADD to it when the front runner stops due to lack of the GO JUICE :-)

To me this IS the most sensible thing that F1 could ever do !

What's your thoughts ?

Why don't we just change F1 to a competition of seeing which car will go the furthest on 10 gallons of fuel????

Has been my argument ever since they spacified the v10. I liked the variety.

Bring back turbo's I know from my STi that when you use the power the fuel consumption skyrockets so would be self regulating as to power output.

Easy to control ultimate pace, If they get to fast drop the fuel allocation for the next year by 3 or 4 liters.

Specify

1 Restricted level of fuel (aiming for approximately 600hp)

2 Single tyres specification

3 Maximum dimensions of car

4 Minimum Weight (Perhaps 500kg ,hence lower hp, so smart design rather than well placed ballast would be an advantage)

5 Minimul driver aids

6 Maximum amount of downforce produced at a specified speed

Would really get the interest going in the differant technology and provide pretty interesting racing.

A small turbo revving it's a## of against a V12 revving slowly and relying on the torque and maybey even someone game to try a rotary would be back to the origins of the sport.

Think finaly max has had a good idea, Pity it wasen't 10 years ago

Why not just switch to pedalled Go Karts

[nojvnof1 0]

Welcome to the forums FerrariFan69. Just on point 7 of your list, I have to say I disagree. I totally agree with monza gorilla in saying that Traction Control and semi-auto transmissions have no place in F1.

[Senna 0]

Welcome to the forums FerrariFan69. Just on point 7 of your list, I have to say I disagree. I totally agree with monza gorilla in saying that Traction Control and semi-auto transmissions have no place in F1.

Indeed. No driver aids of any description should be permitted.

[rodders47 2]

Hey Senna, with you there so lets take it a bit further and restrict the PIT to DRIVER aids with regards to fuel strategy, etc etc etc

Let the guy behind the wheel work out whats wrong and fix it himself, THAT ought to rule out a few drivers these days

[Senna 0]

Hey Senna, with you there so lets take it a bit further and restrict the PIT to DRIVER aids with regards to fuel strategy, etc etc etc

Let the guy behind the wheel work out whats wrong and fix it himself, THAT ought to rule out a few drivers these days