Ferrari Fires Back...

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Letter from Luigi Macaluso to Ron Dennis.

Friday, 3rd August 2007

The exchange of correspondence between the leading protagonists in the ongoing spy row engulfing Formula One continues with a reply from ACI-CSAI president Luigi Macaluso to McLaren team boss Ron Dennis, copied to Ferrari CEO Jean Todt and FIA president Max Mosley.

Dear Mr Dennis,

Article 151c of the International Sporting Code

I refer to your letter of 1 August 2007.

It is apparent from your letter that there is a distinct difference between McLaren's view of events and that of Ferrari. It therefore seems appropriate for the matter to be reviewed by the International Court of Appeal as decided by the FIA president, Mr. Mosley.

It is not my role nor would it be appropriate for me to answer your various points. It will be for the Court of Appeal to do so.

In any event, I would limit myself to stress that McLaren was found in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, but nevertheless escaped any penalty. As Mr Mosley indicated in his letter of 31 July 2007, it is important for the World Championship that the correct outcome is reached. It is clearly in the interest of the sport that the appropriate precedent for dealing with events such as these is set.

At the hearing of the World Motor Sport Council on 26 July 2007, Ferrari was legally represented but attended the meeting merely as an observer. It accordingly did not have sufficient opportunity to present to the Council or ask questions of key individuals involved in this matter in order to test their evidence. A hearing before the International Court of Appeal will allow Ferrari an opportunity to present its evidence and arguments in detail.

Yours sincerely,

Luigi Macaluso

The President of ACI-CSAI

CC:

Mr. Max Mosley (president FIA)

Mr. Jean Todt ( CEO Ferrari SpA)

courtesy: www.crash.net

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heheheheheheh

[FUschumi 0]

Letter from Luigi Macaluso to Ron Dennis.

Friday, 3rd August 2007

The exchange of correspondence between the leading protagonists in the ongoing spy row engulfing Formula One continues with a reply from ACI-CSAI president Luigi Macaluso to McLaren team boss Ron Dennis, copied to Ferrari CEO Jean Todt and FIA president Max Mosley.

Dear Mr Dennis,

Article 151c of the International Sporting Code

I refer to your letter of 1 August 2007.

It is apparent from your letter that there is a distinct difference between McLaren's view of events and that of Ferrari. It therefore seems appropriate for the matter to be reviewed by the International Court of Appeal as decided by the FIA president, Mr. Mosley.

It is not my role nor would it be appropriate for me to answer your various points. It will be for the Court of Appeal to do so.

In any event, I would limit myself to stress that McLaren was found in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, but nevertheless escaped any penalty. As Mr Mosley indicated in his letter of 31 July 2007, it is important for the World Championship that the correct outcome is reached. It is clearly in the interest of the sport that the appropriate precedent for dealing with events such as these is set.

At the hearing of the World Motor Sport Council on 26 July 2007, Ferrari was legally represented but attended the meeting merely as an observer. It accordingly did not have sufficient opportunity to present to the Council or ask questions of key individuals involved in this matter in order to test their evidence. A hearing before the International Court of Appeal will allow Ferrari an opportunity to present its evidence and arguments in detail.

Yours sincerely,

Luigi Macaluso

The President of ACI-CSAI

CC:

Mr. Max Mosley (president FIA)

Mr. Jean Todt ( CEO Ferrari SpA)

courtesy: www.crash.net

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heheheheheheh

Yesterday Ron's arguments:

"Your letter also suggests that the outcome might have been different if the Council had given Ferrari further opportunities to be heard beyond those offered. I again ask you to look at the real facts, which are that Ferrari fully participated in the hearing before the Council.

First, Ferrari submitted a lengthy, albeit grossly misleading, memorandum dated 16th July 2007 along with supporting documents which together totalled 118 pages.

Ferrari did not send McLaren the memorandum. The memorandum was circulated to the Council on the 20 July. McLaren did not see it until two days before the hearing and it was only then that we were able to correct its grossly inaccurate contents.

In the meantime, the misleading Ferrari memorandum or sections of it appear to have been leaked to the Italian press as much of the Italian press reports echo elements of that memorandum.

In addition to this Ferrari, who were represented by lawyers, were given several opportunities by the FIA President to ask questions and make submissions throughout the hearing. Mr Todt also gave evidence.

It was clear that the FIA President afforded Ferrari every opportunity to be heard in order to ensure that all relevant matters were heard by the WMSC. Indeed, at the very end of the proceeding, Ferrari intervened with a request to make further closing comments. Ferrari's request was permitted and their lawyer proceeded to make further detailed closing comments at some length.

I therefore simply do not understand what basis there is for Ferrari's claim that it was denied an opportunity to put its case. It put its case both in writing and orally."

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Donno who is right???

[BradSpeedMan 6]

In addition to this Ferrari, who were represented by lawyers, were given several opportunities by the FIA President to ask questions and make submissions throughout the hearing. Mr Todt also gave evidence.

It was clear that the FIA President afforded Ferrari every opportunity to be heard in order to ensure that all relevant matters were heard by the WMSC. Indeed, at the very end of the proceeding, Ferrari intervened with a request to make further closing comments. Ferrari's request was permitted and their lawyer proceeded to make further detailed closing comments at some length.

I therefore simply do not understand what basis there is for Ferrari's claim that it was denied an opportunity to put its case. It put its case both in writing and orally."

yes I agree, it's weird that Luca states the part that I bolded....

makes it all the more interesting

[Max Mosley 2]

Hmm very interesting. That's lawyers for you.

[Wez 0]

It is clearly in the interest of the sport that the appropriate precedent for dealing with events such as these is set.

No Luigi Macaluso, you white trash inbred scumbag.... It's in the Interest of your team!

Ironic how they team who have cheated more in the past 10 years than the entire Tour de France pack have on a nite off in a drugs store seem to be so against cheating!

[BradSpeedMan 6]

No Luigi Macaluso, you white trash inbred scumbag.... It's in the Interest of your team!

Ironic how they team who have cheated more in the past 10 years than the entire Tour de France pack have on a nite off in a drugs store seem to be so against cheating!

However, the guilty party of this particular saga must still be punished.....

[freaky2 1]

However, the guilty party of this particular saga must still be punished.....

Yes, but now everyone disagrees at who's the guilty part. I hope they let Ferrari and McLaren talk all they want, present anything they want and decide once and for all. But somehow I don't know what proof can Ferrari present of McLaren being guilty. I'm curious in fact.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Yes, but now everyone disagrees at who's the guilty part. I hope they let Ferrari and McLaren talk all they want, present anything they want and decide once and for all. But somehow I don't know what proof can Ferrari present of McLaren being guilty. I'm curious in fact.

The answer lies in the bolded part...

here goes Mark Webber...

Webber defends Ferrari fury in spy scandal

Aug.3 (GMM) Australian formula one driver Mark Webber, who races for Red Bull, has defended Ferrari's heated attitude to the spy scandal. McLaren boss Ron Dennis this week lashed out at his Maranello based counterparts for leaving his team's reputation "unfairly sullied" by Ferrari press releases, leaks to the media and pressure to send the saga to the Court of Appeal.

But Webber, 30, wrote in a column for Eurosport that he can see where Ferrari "are coming from" after hundreds of pages of sensitive team material was found in the possession of McLaren's chief designer. "From what I've read and what I've been told," he said, "it wasn't just technical design details in the dossier that Mike Coughlan had, it was details about how the team was being run operationally. "If that's true, and if the dossier was seen by somebody else, then it's a massive deal for Ferrari."Webber echoed the sentiment of the rest of the paddock, however, by admitting that he would prefer the focus of attention to now return to the on-track action. He said: "It isn't how we want people to see F1."

Maybe ferrari don't have a proper case/evidence as you say, maybe Mclaren WILL get away with this, but that part hurts!

[mikathegreat2 2]

This is getting a bit exciting! Every motorsport president & manager are getting their noses into it but yet another long press release, or letter so I barely read the 1st paragraph!

[FUschumi 0]

The answer lies in the bolded part...

here goes Mark Webber...

Webber defends Ferrari fury in spy scandal

Aug.3 (GMM) Australian formula one driver Mark Webber, who races for Red Bull, has defended Ferrari's heated attitude to the spy scandal. McLaren boss Ron Dennis this week lashed out at his Maranello based counterparts for leaving his team's reputation "unfairly sullied" by Ferrari press releases, leaks to the media and pressure to send the saga to the Court of Appeal.

But Webber, 30, wrote in a column for Eurosport that he can see where Ferrari "are coming from" after hundreds of pages of sensitive team material was found in the possession of McLaren's chief designer. "From what I've read and what I've been told," he said, "it wasn't just technical design details in the dossier that Mike Coughlan had, it was details about how the team was being run operationally. "If that's true, and if the dossier was seen by somebody else, then it's a massive deal for Ferrari."Webber echoed the sentiment of the rest of the paddock, however, by admitting that he would prefer the focus of attention to now return to the on-track action. He said: "It isn't how we want people to see F1."

Maybe ferrari don't have a proper case/evidence as you say, maybe Mclaren WILL get away with this, but that part hurts!

Webber must have forgotton that he is driving a modified version of McLaren.

I think Adrian Newey is much more critical than the dossier. He knows almost everything about McLaren, including those cannot be written down in a dossier.

Poor Webber......made a controversial comment......a lively McLaren dossier is in your camp........