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LabradoRacer

The Great Indian Race Trick

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LabradoRacer    2

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If Seb gets a clean start and his car holds up, he should win handily. Hamilton will finish 2nd, at best. Alonso has slotted himself at the highest place possible, and waiting to maximise his chances. A podium will be a bit difficult for him, though.

Schumi...sigh.

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Insider    0

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If Hamilton had left the track twice in a Q3 run to achieve pole he would have been punished - Schumi too. Obergruppenführer Markus would have ran sniffling to Charlie in the blink of an eye. It doesn't help that these Tilke tracks are like a kid's playground and don't demand the levels of driving skill that was demonstrated by the stars of yesteryear.

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BradSpeedMan    6

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Can we have more honesty like this in Formula 1 please....

Kimi "That is why I am a bit disappointed. I am disappointed in myself because I made the decision. It was my choice, I made it and it didn't pay off."

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BradSpeedMan    6

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If Hamilton had left the track twice in a Q3 run to achieve pole he would have been punished - Schumi too. Obergruppenführer Markus would have ran sniffling to Charlie in the blink of an eye. It doesn't help that these Tilke tracks are like a kid's playground and don't demand the levels of driving skill that was demonstrated by the stars of yesteryear.

It was quite minimal, especially when a driver is pushing himself hard to be at one with his machine. You can barely see him go off the track..... don't know what the big fuss is all about....

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freaky2    1

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Watching Fox "En vivo", the guys sound Argentinian. Reminds me of the "good" old days when F1 started in Spain... half the radio transmissions are completely guessed :lol:

On the other hand, well done Alonso! I guess the grip problems for Hammy were real.

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LabradoRacer    2

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Great action between Alonso, Hammy & Button at the start. You sense that Alonso's pushing beyond his & his car's limits.

I hope the Indian GP is cancelled after this one. Unbelievable smog. Can hardly see anything.

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Quiet One    15

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Missed the live broadcast so I just watched the race now.. As said, great action at the start, then it was just another day for Vettel. Too bdas, because the other guys were racing their wheels off.

I still like the track, even if it looks awful with the smog and lack of landscape features. Boring as Monaco could have been, it compensated the lack of glamour and famous buildings with the midfield battles. For a boring race, I'd rather watch Senna, Hulkenberg and company fighting for entertainment than the yatchs at Monaco bay.

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Quiet One    15

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Re: the Vettel qualifying issue.

I got my hopes up when I read about it, but watching the video I can't see anything wrong with it. You really need to dissect each thousanth of a second to even find the moment he left the track, not to mention whether there was actually any gain from that. Totally irrelevant, in my opinion. His P1 was legit.

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Villathomas    0

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At this rate, I think Vettel will win the next two races; therefore clinching the title before Brazil. Alonso will do well to take it to Brazil. However, I really don't like Alonso and Hamilton saying that Vettel's success is purely down to superior machinery, Sebastian still has to work hard to put the car on pole and beat the oppostion, if it was as easy as they say then why isn't Webber winning every race? Personally I think Hamilton is jealous that Seb is able to convert the quickest car into race victories, something McLaren failed to do in the first 10-12 races.

Not the best race today, but really enjoyable battle between Jenson, Alonso and Hamilton and the start, showing Perez, Maldonado, Kobayashi, Grosjean etc how its done.

Frustrated for Kimi Raikkonen today though, Had a quick car, but the new 'Coanda' exhaust power reduction made him unable to do anything. I feel Lotus could've done more this year to give him a better shot at the title.

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Quiet One    15

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At this rate, I think Vettel will win the next two races; therefore clinching the title before Brazil. Alonso will do well to take it to Brazil. However, I really don't like Alonso and Hamilton saying that Vettel's success is purely down to superior machinery,

I am not sure what the Hamilton's comments were, but I am pretty sure that all Alonso said was that they are not just racing Seb, but Seb and Newey.Problem is, most sites only quote the first part of the sentence where he says "Now we are fighting against a Newey car". The rest of the reply clearly explain his POV, which I think ialso explains why everybody 'fails' to recognize that Vettel is the next big thing despite breaking becords at a Schmacheresque pace. It's a sad story of overpowered cars...the same thing that happened with Schumacher, btw.

What Alonso adds afterwards is the very obvious thing that if it were down to Vettel's greatness then Webber should not have improved as much as he did (which is in fact more than Vettel did...coming from nowhere to secure three P2 starts in as many races and after 6 races with no finishes above 5th and as low as 20th.)

Three front grid lockouts from RBR show that the car has vastly improved. Differences of half a second per lap in practice qualifying and race being so common from them, it's hard to see were Vettel is doing the big difference, apart of being obviously better than Mark *sigh*

Look at Schumi now, there's a lesson there on what happens when you don't have a 2004 Ferrari under your arse. At least Schumi had the chance of proving himself in the 90s.

Don't get me wrong (or any of the 'not so thrilled about Vettel' crowd), Seb is good, no doubt about it. Alonso says exactly that, btw. I would even agree if you said that 'good' is an understatement and 'great' would be fairer. Just not as great as the numbers show. He isn't winning just because of the past races. He has always given his best to stay in touch with Alonso in the championship, otherwise he wouldn't have been there now. Some of his drives from the mid grid were pretty good this year, something we all doubted he could do. He rarely makes mistakes, and when he does he can amend them quite as fast. All of those are very commendable qualities and without a doubt, he is one of the trio of champions that emerged in this superseason, just not the one that shone the most this year, and IMO not even the second. The first is, of course Alonso (hey, I am an Alonso fan, what do you expect from me? :P) and the second being Hamilton, although I think that is more open to objections (Vettel being more regular in his performances and Hamilton making his usual mix between 'brilliant' and 'abysmal', although clearly geared towards the first ones this year)

Just my opinion.

Frustrated for Kimi Raikkonen today though, Had a quick car, but the new 'Coanda' exhaust power reduction made him unable to do anything. I feel Lotus could've done more this year to give him a better shot at the title.

Kimi vs Massa was the weirdest act of cold war I've ever seen on a track. Kimi was never farther away than a second from Massa, at least not for long yet unable to even make a dive except in a single ocasion on 60 laps? Last time I've seen such a puzzling performance was my guy against Petrov on that infamous 2010 last race.

BTW Massa in one of his best performances in a long long time. Not because he did much in terms of actual results, but for a guy so emotionally fragile as to break over a single order on the radio for 2 years, being able to cope with a menacing Lotus occupying all your mirrors for the whole race, yet not putting a single foot wrong is quite a huge accomplishment :D

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Ikyrotz    0

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Kimi vs Massa was the weirdest act of cold war I've ever seen on a track. Kimi was never farther away than a second from Massa, at least not for long yet unable to even make a dive except in a single ocasion on 60 laps? Last time I've seen such a puzzling performance was my guy against Petrov on that infamous 2010 last race.

I think it's quite obvious: Ferrari was over 10 km/h faster on the straights. It's pretty much impossible to overtake then (even with DRS) unless the car in front of you makes a mistake, and like you pointed out, kudos to Massa for not making a mistake.

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Quiet One    15

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I think it's quite obvious: Ferrari was over 10 km/h faster on the straights. It's pretty much impossible to overtake then (even with DRS) unless the car in front of you makes a mistake, and like you pointed out, kudos to Massa for not making a mistake.

Yes, that part I understood. I mean that it was strange from Kimi not to feint a dive in for an overtake, or do one of those manoeuvres used to unsettle the guy in front into some driving error. After all, it was Massa ahead, that guy from the "Massa's kerbs" precisely at India, maybe Massa would have coped with the pressure, but history says otherwise :D

I just found it strange that Kimi didn't try to force that error.

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Rainmaster    7

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Andres is right about Kimi, but of course without the option of a radio call Felipe can be hard to get past tongue.png

Very boring race, this one. But glad to see Vettel drove the wheels off a recalcitrant car and crushed his inferior competitors once again.

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On the whole "dominant car" thing which is coming up again. My main issue with these arguments, even as someone who thinks Alonso is the best driver in F1, is that I still think Vettel would give him such a hard time in the same car. If Alonso is a 9.5 then Vettel is, to me, at worst an 9. It's not like Timo Glock is going to win the title. That would be annoying if he just happened to luck into a completely dominant car. It's not even as annoying as if say Webber was going to win it or Massa or Button. There's an incredibly small difference between Alonso and Vettel and Hamilton, and either of them winning it is absolutely fine by me because they are the best three drivers.

To me, the amount that Vettel winning a title over Alonso is annoying is directly proportionate to the amount I think Alonso is better than Vettel, and that is a very small amount. But this all comes down to whether you think we have three top drivers in F1 (Vet, Ham, Alo), two (usually people would say Alo and Ham), or if you think we have one top driver in an absolute class of one at the front (Alonso in this case), as you might argue Casey Stoner has been in MotoGP or maybe Fangio was in the 50's, or Usain Bolt is, etc. Personally, I don't think Alonso is in a class of one at all even if I think he has had the best performance level this season, but if you thought that, I would understand why you'd be annoyed at this year or Vettel's records. Other than that, I don't get it. Don't be annoyed by the fact Vettel is winning; he's a really good driver. Be annoyed by the fact Ferrari are not working to their best potential, hiring the best designers, making sure their wind tunnel works, motivating their staff by hiring a decent number 2 driver, etc. Place the frustration with the right people (and that's exactly what Alonso is doing with his Newey quote, btw, sending a message to Ferrari).

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