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[narain fan]

pumpdoc, on Jan 12 2006, 07:45 PM, said:

The translation needs a translation

basically,pedro dela rossa, saying that ferrari engine is powerful,and how,when he was following the ferrari during the tests,he was surprised by the acceleration of the ferrari v8
also he says that till the end of jan they will be using the  v10's..and the windtunnel data of the mp4_21 is
encouraging and the car is much better compared to the mp4-20
he also says FA is a super pilot,i could not understand anything more,maybe ecap could help with his spanish

[pumpdoc]

Yes Indeed ecap or Kiko would no doubt indeed be better at the translation, indeed.........

[narain fan]

pumpdoc, on Jan 12 2006, 07:59 PM, said:

Yes Indeed ecap or Kiko would no doubt indeed be better at the translation, indeed.........

[narain fan]

thursday pics -jerez
http://www.f1racing....1878&startat=10

Place - Driver - Time - Laps - Car
1. R. Barrichello 1:16.732 47 BAR 007B (V10)
2. P. de la Rosa 1:16.732 65 McLaren-Mercedes MP4-20B (V10)
3. M. Gené 1:18.566 95 Ferrari F2004 (V8)
4. F. Alonso 1:18.706 72 Renault R26 (V8)
5. M. Webber 1:18.838 40 Williams FW27C (V8)
6. R. Zonta 1:18.916 89 Toyota TF106 (V8)
7. N. Rosberg 1:19.048 49 Williams FW27C (V8)
8. A. Davidson 1:19.084 106 BAR 007B (V8)
9. J. Trulli 1:19.164 97 Toyota TF106 (V8)
10. G. Fisichella 1:19.462 78 Renault R25 (V10-2)
11. G. Paffet 1:19.606 87 McLaren-Mercedes MP4-20B (V10)
12. N. Heidfeld 1:20.148 79 Sauber C24B (V8)
13. S. Speed 1:21.035 64 Scuderia Toro Rosso RB1 (restricted V10)
14. C. Klien 1:21.469 44 Red Bull Racing RB2 (V8)


crono-jerez.com

[Panchito]

Seems like a nice time for Williams.

[narain fan]

Panchito, on Jan 12 2006, 09:28 PM, said:

Seems like a nice time for Williams.

both  williams drivers completed only around 40 laps(nico -49) ,times are on a light fuel load
times set by renault and toyota are impressive

[ykickamoocow]

narain fan, on Jan 13 2006, 04:24 AM, said:

Place - Driver - Time - Laps - Car
1. R. Barrichello 1:16.732 47 BAR 007B (V10)
2. P. de la Rosa 1:16.732 65 McLaren-Mercedes MP4-20B (V10)
3. M. Gené 1:18.566 95 Ferrari F2004 (V8)
4. F. Alonso 1:18.706 72 Renault R26 (V8)
5. M. Webber 1:18.838 40 Williams FW27C (V8)
6. R. Zonta 1:18.916 89 Toyota TF106 (V8)
7. N. Rosberg 1:19.048 49 Williams FW27C (V8)
8. A. Davidson 1:19.084 106 BAR 007B (V8)
9. J. Trulli 1:19.164 97 Toyota TF106 (V8)
10. G. Fisichella 1:19.462 78 Renault R25 (V10-2)
11. G. Paffet 1:19.606 87 McLaren-Mercedes MP4-20B (V10)
12. N. Heidfeld 1:20.148 79 Sauber C24B (V8)
13. S. Speed 1:21.035 64 Scuderia Toro Rosso RB1 (restricted V10)
14. C. Klien 1:21.469 44 Red Bull Racing RB2 (V8)

I wonder what Red Bull is doing. They are 2.8 seconds slower than the fastest 2006 spec car.

[cavallino]

The 2004 seems to have seriously impressive pace   

ykickamoocow, on Jan 13 2006, 04:37 AM, said:

I wonder what Red Bull is doing. They are 2.8 seconds slower than the fastest 2006 spec car.

They have cooling problems and I think they are still running with huge holes in the bodywork , that would screw up the aero.

[Senna]

ykickamoocow, on Jan 12 2006, 05:37 PM, said:

I wonder what Red Bull is doing. They are 2.8 seconds slower than the fastest 2006 spec car.

And they haven’t used Liuzzi!

[narain fan]

Alonso: New R26 feels good  





The Renault F1 Team continued development work with the R26 today, with World Champion Fernando Alonso taking over driving duties from team-mate Giancarlo Fisichella in the new car. Alonso was glad to see the R26 is as easy to drive as the Championship winning R25.  
"I had a very good first day in the R26," Alonso said on Thursday evening. "I was hoping that it would feel similar to the R25, because that was a very good car for the drivers. The good news for me is that the new car was still easy to drive, it was consistent when we did some longer runs, and we didn't have any mechanical problems today."

"It was the first test with the new V8 engine, we didn't have any problems, and the feeling was similar to the simulation we have been running this winter. That was good because it means we have already prepared well in our testing. The performance of the package felt good, although at such an early stage there are still lots of areas to improve. But this is the first January test with a brand new car. Taking that into account, I think we are in a strong position."

Senna, on Jan 12 2006, 10:37 PM, said:

And they haven’t used Liuzzi!

What are you talking about

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yesterday's timings
Pos  Driver        Team                Tyres  Time     Laps
01.  de la Rosa    McLaren-Mercedes     (M)  1:16.509   86  *
02.  M.Schumacher  Ferrari              (   1:17.970   53
03.  Zonta         Toyota               (   1:18.541   71
04.  Alonso        Renault              (M)  1:18.697  104  *
05.  Heidfeld      BMW-Sauber           (M)  1:18.817   56
06.  Fisichella    Renault              (M)  1:19.118   65
07.  R.Schumacher  Toyota               (   1:19.189   35
08.  Rosberg       Williams-Cosworth    (   1:19.394   50
09.  Davidson      Honda                (M)  1:19.427  112
10.  Badoer        Ferrari              (   1:19.774   94  *
11.  Rossiter      Honda                (M)  1:19.891  104
12.  Trulli        Toyota               (   1:19.975   18
13.  Paffett       McLaren-Mercedes     (M)  1:20.136   81  *
14.  Liuzzi        Toro Rosso-Cosworth  (M)  1:20.216   90
15.  Wurz          Williams-Cosworth    (   1:20.749   31
16.  Coulthard     Red Bull-Ferrari     (M)  1:21.198   31

* V10 engine

All Timing Unofficial

[Senna]

narain fan, on Jan 12 2006, 06:53 PM, said:

What are you talking about

They’d have been even slower with Liuzzi, probably.

[narain fan]

Senna, on Jan 12 2006, 11:00 PM, said:

They’d have been even slower with Liuzzi, probably.

they were not

[Senna]

narain fan, on Jan 12 2006, 07:02 PM, said:

they were not

They were not what?

[Der Kaiser]

Good to see Nick run quick and reliably, but still behind JV's best V8 time at Jerez if I am not mistaken so don't get too excited yet Antonia

pfft

BEN GET OFFLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I looked at that rbr car yesterday and didn't notice the holes!!

ok, these testing times are officially messed up.  What on EARTH is happening with red bull?  And how can nick go from 5th to 12th with only 24 hours in between?  Alonso and Rosberg seem to be getting similar places so doesn't look like they're trying anything new.  I wonder what BMW are up to...

[narain fan]

kaisersalsek, on Jan 12 2006, 11:52 PM, said:

ok, these testing times are officially messed up.  What on EARTH is happening with red bull?  And how can nick go from 5th to 12th with only 24 hours in between?  Alonso and Rosberg seem to be getting similar places so doesn't look like they're trying anything new.  I wonder what BMW are up to...

not only are BMW  doing the regular system checks ,and long runs for tyre testing,but  they are testing quite a few new aero bits  on the front wing,and in some pics there are strange winglets hanging,while in others the car  looks normal ..

Edited by narain fan, 12 January 2006 - 08:45 PM.

[pumpdoc]

None of this means Sh#te yet.......................

[nojvnof1]

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The translation needs a translation

Was just about to say that.

[nojvnof1]

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ok, these testing times are officially messed up. What on EARTH is happening with red bull? And how can nick go from 5th to 12th with only 24 hours in between? Alonso and Rosberg seem to be getting similar places so doesn't look like they're trying anything new. I wonder what BMW are up to...

I'll try to answer that. First about BMW, both drivers have now run hot laps on very low fuel. JV's fastest time at Jerez at the end of 2005, the day he set fastest time of the session was on low fuel. This was around the time Cosworth were making a fuss over reaching 20,000 rpm so BMW allowed to JV go for it and gave him some extra revs to boot. A sign of confidence in JV and the engine as it would have looked rather embarassing had he spun off or the engine blew up. JV's time was set right at the end of the session and was his last of the day.

Nick then ran for three days after that test and wanted to do a low fuel run however they had technical problems and he couldn't do so, hence on Wednesday (European time) it seems he did a low fuel run and set that 1:18.8 on his second to last lap, .1 or so behind JV's time set at the end of last year. That's what BMW are up to I believe.

As for Red Bull, well the really do look to be in some trouble, unreliable and slow, with both drivers. Rosberg is doing a very good job I think.

Anyways, as pump says, it means nothing, but it's something to talk about.

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but they are testing quite a few new aero bits on the front wing,and in some pics there are strange winglets hanging,while in others the car looks normal ..

The car is the same as they tested at the end of the year. The only difference between the C24 and C24B is that the C24 had the Ferrari (Petronas) engine whilst the B version has the BMW engine, whilst slight changes were made to the engine cover of the B version to fit in some wires or something. The aero hasn't been changed and as for the front wing, it's the same as Jacques and Felipe raced from Silverstone onwards in 2005.

[Ctrl300]

pumpdoc, on Jan 13 2006, 02:22 PM, said:

None of this means Sh#te yet.......................

So true you are. Look at Paffet's time in a v10.
Lets wait and see until the end of January, then we can start analyzing and throwing crap.

[narain fan]

nojvnof1, on Jan 13 2006, 10:01 AM, said:

The car is the same as they tested at the end of the year. The only difference between the C24 and C24B is that the C24 had the Ferrari (Petronas) engine whilst the B version has the BMW engine, whilst slight changes were made to the engine cover of the B version to fit in some wires or something. The aero hasn't been changed and as for the front wing, it's the same as Jacques and Felipe raced from Silverstone onwards in 2005.

tell me do you observe any difference in these pics

[nojvnof1]

No difference. I saw it explained in another forum whereby the white paint gives off an illusion of minor changes in certain areas but there are no changes other than the ones I listed. Where do you see the changes?

[narain fan]

watch (nick's right side) dont u see something  ,that is not there in the other pics

Edited by narain fan, 13 January 2006 - 09:09 AM.

[narain fan]

[narain fan]

1 F. Alonso Renault Michelin 1:18.512 -.--- 66
2 A. Davidson BAR-Honda Michelin 1:19.257 +0.717 69
3 G. Fisichella Renault Michelin 1:19.784 +1.256 50
4 G. Paffett McLaren-Mercedes Michelin 1:19.791 +1.291 46
5 P. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes Michelin 1:19.845 +1.330 37
6 R. Barrichello BAR-Honda Michelin 1:20.030 +1.530 37
7 N. Heidfeld BMW Sauber F1 Team Michelin 1:20.482 +1.976 63
8 M. Webber Williams Bridgestone 1:20.512 +1.987 63
9 A. Wurz Williams Bridgestone 1:20.918 +2.409 13
10 C. Klien Red Bull Racing Michelin 1:21.631 +3.123 27
circuitojerez.com

thursday pics-jerez
http://www.f1racing....1879&startat=20


redbull's new front wing !!

[narain fan]

Alonso on top with the new R26
Jerez - Friday - Testing





Impressive pace from Alonso in the new R26

Renault and Fernando Alonso concluded the current test programme at Jerez today by topping the timesheets with the new V8-powered R26 chassis with a best time of 1:18.512s.

Attempting to complete a race distance with the new powerplant, Alonso was interrupted by numerous red flags in the morning, while the afternoon saw unstable weather conditions and further red flags disrupt the programme. Giancarlo Fisichella was once again at the wheel of the R25, and continued working on a tyre development programme in concert with Michelin. The Italian, who will celebrate his 33rd birthday tomorrow, was third fastest.

“We had another very good day, although I feel a bit frustrated at the end because the number of red flags and rain showers stopped me from making the most of the day with more long runs in the 2006 car," said the 2005 Champion. "I think we have done a good job this week. The aim was to do as many laps as possible, which we managed without any mechanical problems. The car feels good. There are still things to improve, but we have a solid base and I am really looking forward to the next session in Barcelona in ten days’ time, to continue working on reliability and start looking at performance. There will already be new things to test, so it should be an interesting session.”



Renault Chief Test Engineer Christian Silk explained that the aim of the week was to gain as much mileage as possible on the new R26 package. "It was a good week, we already seem to have found reliability and the performance seems quite promising after only four days," said Silk. "That is a good first reward for the whole team, which has worked very hard to get where we are. We now need to carry on with that good work, and we will be back on track on 25 January in Barcelona.”

With Renault first and third fastest today with Davidson in between for Honda, Gary Paffett and Pedro de la Rosa took the fourth and fifth best time for McLaren Mercedes just ahead of Rubens Barrichello completing his second day of running with his new Honda team.

Over at BMW Sauber, Nick Heidfeld was behind the wheel of the V8-powered C24B once again. The team started with systems and software checks, followed by some set-up work. They ran a tyre test programme for Michelin and evaluated different brake specifications. BMW Sauber will roll out their new car next Tuesday in Valencia.

Mark Webber and Alex Wurz were ninth and tenth best for Williams Cosworth with Christian Klien bringing up the rear for Red Bull Ferrari.

The Jerez circuit will be artificially soaked for Michelin wet weather running on Saturday with Klien, Paffett and de la Rosa scheduled to test. Testing then resumes on Tuesday with McLaren, Toyota and Williams on track
source-RENAULT

[Senna]

ALONSO FEARS BRIDGESTONE REVIVAL

ITV




World champion Fernando Alonso fears that the Bridgestone teams could leave the likes of Renault and McLaren trailing in 2006.

Toyota and Williams have joined Ferrari on Bridgestone’s books this year, and the return of tyre changes in races is expected to favour the Japanese company’s designs.

Alonso admits to being spooked by the impressive pace that Michael Schumacher’s Ferrari set during testing at Jerez earlier this week.

According to autosport.com, Alonso told reporters in Spain: “It looks like Bridgestone is in very good shape and I’m afraid they could have another season like two years ago and dominate the way they did.

“I hope Michelin does something to avoid that.”

The Bridgestone-shod Ferraris blitzed the 2004 season, winning 15 out of 18 races.

Alonso was speaking after testing Renault’s new R26 chassis for the first time.

He had to delay his first run slightly after suffering muscle pain before heading out of the pits.

Once on track, he set the third quickest time of the day, and was the best of the V8 runners.

“The good news for me is that the new car was still easy to drive, it was consistent when we did some longer runs, and we didn’t have any mechanical problems today,” said Alonso.

Renault was the last manufacturer to run its V8 on track, preferring to test with a detuned V10 before Christmas.

Some thought that was a risky tactic, but Alonso reckons that the V8’s strong early performance has vindicated Renault’s strategy.

“We didn’t have any problems, and the feeling was similar to the simulation we have been running this winter,” he said.

“That was good because it means we have already prepared well in our testing.”

[Der Kaiser]

I still see no difference in the cars....  BMW aren't allowed to mess with the actual car until they take over officially on the 14th I think...  The white paint gives the illusion that there is an extra addition to the front wing when this is actually just the same as the sauber; just then it was painted black and you couldn't see it.

As for Paffett in the V10 - they are limited, as was Fisi's.  Looks just like general testing, unpredictable.  Nice to see him make some progress and beat PDR in todays testing though

[narain fan]

kaisersalsek, on Jan 14 2006, 12:46 AM, said:

I still see no difference in the cars....  BMW aren't allowed to mess with the actual car until they take over officially on the 14th I think...  The white paint gives the illusion that there is an extra addition to the front wing when this is actually just the same as the sauber; just then it was painted black and you couldn't see it.

i was talking about  under the front wing   of the car ....

Edited by narain fan, 13 January 2006 - 07:24 PM.

[narain fan]

Barrichello buoyed by initial run
Honda sum up week one of 2006




Rubens Barrichello on track for Honda

The Honda Racing F1 Team began its 2006 testing programme at the Circuito de Jerez in Southern Spain this week. With new race driver Rubens Barrichello joining the team for his first test and with Anthony Davidson confirmed as third driver, it was an exciting week for the team as it continues preparations for the 2006 season. Building on his experience of testing for the team in 2005, one of the team's Young Drivers James Rossiter also completed a one-day test programme on Wednesday, making excellent progress.

Davidson and Rossiter began the test on Wednesday. The cold weather meant that there was little running in the early part of the morning with both drivers completing installation laps and system checks only. Once on track, Davidson concentrated on a tyre evaluation programme completing an impressive 113 laps while James conducted a series of aerodynamic evaluations alongside a tyre programme, covering 105 laps.

Barrichello arrived in Jerez on Thursday for his first test session with the team. He began the day running in the team's 2005 car with a V10 engine in order to acclimatise himself to the car and tyres. The circuit was again very cold in the early part of the morning so the Brazilian used the opportunity to complete installation runs and establish his driving position. Once the track temperatures started to rise, he went back out to complete his first full runs to evaluate the car and provided some valuable feedback to the engineers.



Barrichello completed 45 laps in the 2005 car, concluding the team's V10 engine programme and setting the equal fastest time of the day. He then moved over to the 2006 Concept car for his first run with a V8 engine and completed eight laps to prepare himself for the following day's programme. Davidson continued his running in the second Concept car and, after initial set-up work, completed a tyre evaluation covering 107 laps.

The frequent afternoon rain showers caused some interruptions in Jerez on Friday. Barrichello continued to acclimatise himself to the V8 car, completing further familiarisation runs and working on set-up. He completed a couple of dry runs in the afternoon session, followed by a wet run at the end of the day on intermediate tyres, completing a total of 38 laps over the day. Davidson continued his work in the V8 car running through further aerodynamic evaluations alongside general set-up work and completing 69 laps.

Barrichello will remain in Jerez on Saturday to complete a wet tyre programme with Michelin. The team will be testing at Jerez again next week from Wednesday 18 - Friday 20 January.


There was the odd glitch, but Barrichello positive
following his first Honda tests

Rubens Barrichello
"It's been a fantastic time for me this week. Everyone has been really enthusiastic and the relationship has been good so I hope that keeps going. We couldn't do as many laps today as I wished because of the weather but it's looking good. Any laps that I can get with the V8 engine prior to starting with the new car in a couple of weeks will be very very important. So I'm happy as even with only 39 laps and the experience that I have with the car, we moved forward today. I know I will be very happy here."

Anthony Davidson
"We've completed lots of tyre testing this week looking at new compounds and constructions for Michelin. We've found some good results from the long runs as well as the performance runs and I've been really quite happy with the pace of the car all week. It's been good having Rubens here for the first time, to work with him and hear some different views and ideas, I've really enjoyed that. It's been a good week to get to know each other and already I can feel there is a strong working relationship there so I'm very happy about that and it's positive for the year ahead."

James Rossiter
"It was good to be back in the car and helping the team out at the first test of the year. I concentrated mainly on aero evaluations and a short tyre programme and we found some encouraging results. The car felt good and was reliable so overall I had a very positive day on Wednesday."

Mark Ellis, Chief Test Engineer
"We have made solid progress this week adapting the car to the new regulations. Tyre testing with Michelin has yielded some very encouraging results which will provide a good direction for 2006. It is good to welcome Rubens to the team and he has spent a couple of days acclimatising to the new engine and tyres and has provided excellent feedback as expected. It was very valuable for us to have one of the Young Drivers James at the test continuing to gain experience and mileage in the car and providing very high quality feedback."

Shuhei Nakamoto, HRD Engineering Director
"The three-day test has been very successful this week and we have completed the whole engine programme. Rubens joining the team is very interesting for us and will be a big help with the engine development."


Source Honda

[Der Kaiser]

I was too talking about under the front wing - it is not new, just painted white.