^ People make it sound like there's a "spec TC" and they're all the same in this thread like it's an on-off switch and no difference between teams in how the TC program is developed and integrated.
There's been much talk of late related to Hamilton's preference for setting the car up with more oversteer compared to other drivers and this suits the balance for these Bridgestones.
It would seem to me that TC programming for a driver that prefers oversteer to one who prefers understeer would be different as you integrate the front grip level into the overall package (since TC would affect rear grip RELATIVE to front ....and this year, it seems getting the front tyres right is the key).
One of the reasons that the McLaren/Ferrari supposedly has better 1 lap qualifying pace versus race pace is it's ability to run more front grip and how an oversteer setup would further enhance that. In terms of TC, your delivery of TC on an oversteering car could work against that setup package if you're too aggressive on it's delivery
1] The spot that I want to point to is that the techno reversionists that are so prevalent on here, seem to have this black box view of TC and that it's not a symbiotic tool rather than a crutch for lack of skill.
Also, the view on here seems to totally ignore integration and discounts driving style with TC.
Same people here wanting to go backwards in technology don't even consider the role of the steering wheel adjustments on the differential and brake bias adjustment , as well; if they are even aware of it - if they are, they don't acknowledge it.
Removing it will slow the cars for sure but a drop off in 1 car when TC being removed is NOT solely attributable to driving skill...my point was: there's some TC that is better than others.
The amount of performance drop off can also be due to how good the TC program was between teams and the balance of the car... Not all programs are the same in quality.
how much TC was masking poor design balance (totally UNRELATED to driver input).
So what's with Montoya (or Villeneuve) ?!
He was an unadapted slacker; didn't worked with the team to the adapt the TC to his style, nor did he worked on his style to adapt to the TC.2] Another misconception, TC reduces tire wear.
There are several forms of TC (throttle pedal as an engine torque demand, throttle pedal as a rear wheel torque demand, throttle pedal as a speed demand, throttle pedal as a slip ratio command and others).
The throttle pedal as a slip ratio command:
- controlling rear wheel slip ratio provides the driver with the means of either demanding the maximum acceleration the car can deliver (full pedal deflection), either limited by the traction available or the power available, or a means of steering the car under power by varying the slip ratio, and thus the location on the friction ellipse of the tyres at which they are operating. The slip ratio will be set as required by the driver's pedal, irrespective of engine characteristics, speed, or rear axle load (aerodynamic, load transfer or bump induced). He can still try and negotiate a corner too fast, and lose control, but under all conditions in which power is required, he will be operating at the maximum and still be able to steer the car on the "throttle", though now he has virtually no control over the engine throttles. Because he will nearly always be at the maximum slip ratio, tyre wear will become greater.
This could be the reason, or a contributing factor, as to why Hamilton's tire blew up in Turkey.
3] Misconception 3, TC can be policed, truly baned.
3.1] The standard ECU CAN BE hacked (and it will be).
3.2] There are other ways to put back TC besides ECU (this coming from people who write TC and actually have racing experience).
3.1] The (big) teams will have one form or another of TC (rest assured as they are working hard on it right now).
Thanks for your views
Techno reversionists want to see more control left with the driver, plain and simple. All the points above are correct, (except of course the JV slag, which it totally off base with respect to him as a driver)but the fundemental difference is that there is a team of engineers between the driver I/O. The point that you made that I bolded is the very essence of our arguement. Drive by wire doesn't do it for me, and that is why F1 is loosing its appeal to me, and I suspect many others, otherwise why would F1 be moving in the direction that they are.
I respect you opinion, but totally disagree with it. Driving is about passion and drivers. There ia a planned MARS mission. Let the engineers do their magic on that project, and leave car racing to drivers feeling the road and using the footfeed around corners.
Brake Bias, give us a break will you.
Edited by YHR, 31 August 2007 - 01:41 PM.