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[DOF_power]

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^ If drivers were to chose between slick tires (1992) and smooth engines (2000) on one hand and TC on the other I think nobody would chose TC.
Dr. Theissen said the tire switch is more important than the loss of TC, while Sam Michael I belive (some Williams guy) said the loss of EBS/rear ABS is more important that the loss of TC.
Renault on their site there a less effective mechanical way (developed post active ride ban) to do an EBS system witch acording to them will probably return.
Dr. Theissen spoke on one ocassion about the role of aerodynamics in stability and under front brake lock scenario.
Downright laughable was that Renault post LC ban, came with a legal version of an LC system.


So now the catch 22 of the spec ECU.

Who's gonna have the best success cirmuveing the spec ECU with some hidden electronical, mechanical/hydraulic and/or aero
"nannies" ?!

[DOF_power]

ERIC, on Nov 24 2007, 11:28 PM, said:

TC is for babies.  Except when driving above 3 mph in dry conditions, 1 mph in the rain, and 0.6 mph in the snow

Just kidding.  TC sucks, I say down with it.

Then why did Michael Andretti, a real CART guy, crashed so much with TC on his McLaren ?!

[Eric]

DOF_Renault_BMW, on Nov 25 2007, 01:14 PM, said:

Then why did Michael Andretti, a real CART guy, crashed so much with TC on his McLaren ?!

Michael Andretti crashed without TC in CART, too.  His driving style was pretty aggressive.

[goferrarigo]

Eric, on Nov 25 2007, 10:51 AM, said:

Naah.  Now they no my secret plans.

I'll try as someone else...

So are you going to try myy name??? goferrrarigo??

[Eric]

goferrarigo, on Nov 25 2007, 01:28 PM, said:

So are you going to try myy name??? goferrrarigo??

goferarigo

[DOF_power]

ERIC, on Nov 24 2007, 11:35 PM, said:

I've a better idea: eat it.

See, in America, there's a holiday called Thanksgiving.  In which we say everything we're thankful for, and then eat 43 million turkeys until everyone in America who isn't already obese (all 3 of us) is obese.  And then we all get so drunk until we can't remember how obese everyone is.

So I propose Hatesgiving.  We say what we all hate, and then eat what we hate, like TC.  And then we get so drunk so we forget we ate our 800-lb mother-in-law.

Funny because Indy, ALMS actually have some form of TC.
NHRA also had problems/cheat allegations with it ?!

Why is it that just F1 get's the bad rep.

[Eric]

DOF_Renault_BMW, on Nov 25 2007, 02:28 PM, said:

Funny because Indy, ALMS actually have some form of TC.
NHRA also had problems/cheat allegations with it ?!

Why is it that just F1 get's the bad rep.

Cuz F1's boring?

[Rainmaster]

Eric, on Nov 25 2007, 07:38 PM, said:

Cuz F1's boring?

WAH WAH F1 ISN'T BORING YOUR FACE IS BORING SO WHY DON'T YOU GO AWAY YOU BIG GIRL.

Traction sucks no matter which series your talking about.

Edited by Rainmaster, 25 November 2007 - 08:37 PM.

[DOF_power]

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^ F1 hasn't becomed boring due to TC. And it's not a big girl league regardless of what some may think.
Unless you done an overtaking at 320+ Km/h while pulling 6Gs of lateral acceleration don't come and tell me its easy.



The crucial mistakes witch have made F1 boring:

- 1993, move from 18 inch (rear) tires to 15 inch (rear)
- 1994 ban on active suspensions
- 1995 moving the front wing up (less ground effects), the rear wing down (no clean air unless via winglets)
- 1998 narrowtrack + grooves 14 inch (rear)
- 2001 to 2005 lifting the front wing lifted even higher + modifications to the difusser.
- switch from unrestricted V10s (2005) to restricted V8s (2007) = shorther braking distances + no final "kick" on the straights + less possibilities for driver errors



The loss of mechanical grip, reduction of ground effects, the (resulting) unclean aerodynamics and disregard/abandonement for/of the the old priciple of "give the engine more power than the chassis can take" as a result of these rules is what made F1 boring.
TC is virtually irrelevant it this.

And the irony is that many of these stupid mistakes were done to make F1 more exciting (grooves) and please some really stupid fans (ban of active suspensions).

Edited by DOF_Renault_BMW, 25 November 2007 - 08:21 PM.

[Eric]

Well, I've made as many 320 km/h+ overtakes pulling 6 Gs as most of the drivers on the grid: none.

[DOF_power]

But you'd like to  

[Max Mosley]

Did DOF just joke?    Keep it up man!  And you know where F1 went wrong really, but I won't hijack the thread.

PS I do agree with you that TC won't make so much difference either way.

Edited by Murray Walker, 25 November 2007 - 11:58 PM.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer]

Eric, on Nov 25 2007, 08:34 PM, said:

Well, I've made as many 320 km/h+ overtakes pulling 6 Gs as most of the drivers on the grid: none.

But you did make $320 pulling 6 G(irl)s - we all know you are a gigolo

[DOF_power]

Murray Walker, on Nov 26 2007, 01:58 AM, said:

Did DOF just joke?    Keep it up man!  And you know where F1 went wrong really, but I won't hijack the thread.

PS I do agree with you that TC won't make so much difference either way.

Acording to the articles I've read, the loss of EBS due the standard ECU is more important that the loss of TC. While Dr. Theissen said the tire changes are more important than the loss TC.
Either ways the big issues aren't adressed at all this. I don't know if it's not a PR stunt to make Max and Co. look good.

[Max Mosley]

Well I think "PR stunt" would be a little harsh but yeah I imagine the main reason is because the fans want it banned.  You and I agree on one thing: the fans know nothing about the technical aspects of F1.