Is Webber A Jerk?

[webber 0]

Hey guy do you know what Webber did to impress so much in 2003?He came 3rd in qualyfing with a Jaguar in his 2nd year of F.1 and did some points outpacing an unexperienced and not very impressive team mate (Pizza boy).What did Da Matta in the same year,also is rookie one??Finished twice in the 2nd row with a Toyota (just as competitive as a Jaguar if not less) and outpaced his teammate Panis,a guy who have won a Monaco GP and was a veteran,and led a GP for laps.He also have fully dominated a Champcar Championship.So if we look at it DaMatta has performed better than Webber!!!!The only reason for him being sacked by Toyota was a political reason not a performance reason,if Williams would have picked him up instead of Webber they would only have done the right thing!!!!

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you dont seem to get it do you!!!!!!!

Da Matta is now no longer in F1 and if Williams wonted Da Matta in 2005 they whould have Da Matta. and also the the fact the Webber got a 3rd in quli and was in the top 10 for most of the seasion in a jag says a lot more than Da Mattas two 4th in quli and in a Toyota. lets look at the money side of things.

toyota spent 1 billion yes billion in there first year and in the two years that Da Matta managed to drive the team into the ground they spent the 2nd most amount of money in f1 in 2003 they spent 368.51 million to Jags 141.93 Million. now the Fact that Webber was beating Da Matta in racers in a team with less than half its money kindof telles me that Webber is a better driver.

and the CART things meanes s##t in F1 the only driver who has come from CART and won somthing is JV

JET: ok DC is not overratted but R$ is The most overratted driver in F1 hes got kicked out of Williams because he wonted $14 million i think it was and Williams know that hes now worth $6 million so they said no. and realy the only good drive he has had for the post two years is the French GO last year and Quli in Canadan this year.

[webber 0]

Hey, what can I tell you? Its a passionate sport. If are really looking for a rude boy, JPM is your man - hands down. Sorry to burst your bubble but you cannot mention Hill in the same breath as Senna & MS. Hill was and remains a one-championship-wonder!!

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we all kno wthat Hill has won two and MS only 6 its a fact it may in the books be MS but every F1 fan counts its as Hills.

[jerry 0]

i dont think that webber was properly tested till now .pizzonia may not be his equal and justin wilson couldnt really come to terms with the jaguar in two three races but there are a lot of people that webber has to beat and prove .in bahrain he coudnt come to terms with the car set up and was clearly inferior to klien in qualifying.

[webber 0]

Don't go putting down Nige.  He's a legend.  The only person in recent history or in the total history to hold the current F1 and CART World Championships.  Hill also would have won another WDC if not for MS blatant crash into him.  There's no way any argument at this point in time is going to put Webber above Nige or Hill.  They won many races and WDCs, Webber has won jack s##t.

Simply put, it's crunch time for him.  The pressure is on him big time to perform now.  Now more hiding behind the safety of a bad car like the JAG or the Minadi.  He's now driving a race winning car, so there is no excuses now.

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no one has said that hes like DH or NM all Webber is now untill he winds WDC in 2006 or 2007 is a good up and coming star that WILL BE THE NEXT MS you all but him down and say hes s##t because he has not won a race but lets face it all the Papers are saying about his is that hes a up and coming star and now that hes in a race winning car he can now excell and show that every one not only here but all over the world that thinks hes s##t is Just a one eyed little Hore that cant face the fact that there is going to be a new DH to knock MS of his big fat crown.

[webber 0]

finaly some who does not talk s##t Lure your a champion. and i dont get why WEbber is a jerk for saying the truth because Pizzi boy is a loser he dident eaven get points in 2003 and hes hes a lier as well for macking up a story to cover the cact that hes a loser.

hay Hindfeld won the Driver off for the Williams seat he beat PA by .4 (i think it was) in testing. it was also the last day of testing befour Xmas so AP has no other chance to prove that hes faster than Hindfeld.

[KoolMonkey 0]

Also what makes Webber the Jerk anyway. I think Pizzonias the jerk for blaming bad and unequal equipment on his performances. These are called excuses. Shut up and get on the track and prove your worth with results. If i was in Webbers shoes I'd slag the guy off too. There's no way I'd want him in the other car. As he's stated he wants someone who will challenge him. Pretty good reasoning to me. I think he'll get that with Heidfield and I think Webber would be pleased to have him as a team mate. Whether his comments will affect the final decision??? They must have some small effect on the teams thinking.

In saying all that Pizzonia may do alright. It's just Heidfiled deserves that seat as he, like Webber is a proven performer on the track, not just testing.

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I can't agree with this. I had been proven that JAG were giving Pizzonia crap equipment. He drove a race with a cracked driveshaft/chassis. Also Reb Bull wanted to make Luizzi look good in testing and were going to have Weirdheim (?) drive a slower car in the supposed shootout. There is sufficient information around to say it's not a definate fact that Pizzonia is a lyer. Search any F1 website and you will find this information out yourself. Webber was JAG's pretty boy if you will. They pampered him big time. He may not have been aware of how Pizzonia was being treated.

I want NH to get the second Williams seat as I think he is a better driver than AP. But AP is not a loser. And Webber showed no class in that comment. He's acting like a prima dona right now saying he wants a team mate to challenge him, AP is a loser etc. Who the heck are you Webber? You may be a potential WDC, but you still have to go out and win it mate. Many posts in here talk about great champions having humility. Well Webber has shown very little of late. He has however shown an abundance in arrogance.

I was a big Webber fan. But over a gradual period of time I started to wonder about him. The comments about AP were the final straw for me. No longer in my mind is this guy going to be someone to root for unless he changes his attitude.

I'm no fan of AP. I'm not saying Webber sux, AP rules. But I cannot accept how AP has been treated by Webber. We all know how bad F1 is with politics and so forth. De Matta got blamed for Toyota's lemon of a car. Now finally they have a good car it seems as both Trulli and RS were putting in some impressive testing runs. Just like BAR, Toyota may have turned the corner. I was not happy with how De Matta got treated either. He is an excellent driver yet got the boot for so called performance reasons.

I just wish F1 would somehow bring everyone's car performance closer together. Otherwise you are going to have lesser quality drivers beating better drivers. It should be about the drivers and not the cars.

[Sato 0]

Hill was only even in it at the last race because the FIA did everything it could to make it so.  And in 96 Hill's only real challenge came from a rookie.  He shouldn't have even won one.

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MS Cheated should of lost 94. Hill won 1996 convincingly from everyone but his teamate, who lost through no fault of Hill's. So your comment is wrong nich.

[Kaciaj 0]

you dont seem to get it do you!!!!!!!

Da Matta is now no longer in F1 and if Williams wonted Da Matta in 2005 they whould have Da Matta. and also the the fact the Webber got a 3rd in quli and was in the top 10 for most of the seasion in a jag says a lot more than Da Mattas two 4th in quli  and in a Toyota. lets look at the money side of things.

toyota spent 1 billion yes billion in there first year and in the two years that Da Matta managed to drive the team into the ground they spent the 2nd most amount of money in f1 in 2003 they spent 368.51 million to Jags 141.93 Million. now the Fact that Webber was beating Da Matta in racers in a team with less than half its money kindof telles me that Webber is a better driver.

and the CART things meanes s##t in F1 the only driver who has come from CART and won somthing is JV

JET: ok DC is not overratted but R$ is The most overratted driver in F1 hes got kicked out of Williams because he wonted $14 million i think it was and Williams know that hes now worth $6 million so they said no. and realy the only good drive he has had for the post two years is the French GO last year and Quli in Canadan this year.

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WHAT DOES MEAN THEY SPENT 1 BILLION IF THEY HAVE A CAR NOT COMPETITIVE ENOUGH????IT MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!A WRONG CAR REMAINS A WRONG CAR,JAGUAR OR TOYOTA,200 millions or 1 billion!!!!!!

[KoolMonkey 0]

you dont seem to get it do you!!!!!!!

Da Matta is now no longer in F1 and if Williams wonted Da Matta in 2005 they whould have Da Matta. and also the the fact the Webber got a 3rd in quli and was in the top 10 for most of the seasion in a jag says a lot more than Da Mattas two 4th in quli  and in a Toyota. lets look at the money side of things.

toyota spent 1 billion yes billion in there first year and in the two years that Da Matta managed to drive the team into the ground they spent the 2nd most amount of money in f1 in 2003 they spent 368.51 million to Jags 141.93 Million. now the Fact that Webber was beating Da Matta in racers in a team with less than half its money kindof telles me that Webber is a better driver.

and the CART things meanes s##t in F1 the only driver who has come from CART and won somthing is JV

JET: ok DC is not overratted but R$ is The most overratted driver in F1 hes got kicked out of Williams because he wonted $14 million i think it was and Williams know that hes now worth $6 million so they said no. and realy the only good drive he has had for the post two years is the French GO last year and Quli in Canadan this year.

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Don't blame De Matta for Toyota's troubles. They blamed him, but you don't have to. Toyota have been utter failures thus far. Gascoyne's first 100% car looks like a good one, so finally they might improve somewhat in the up direction. De Matta drove the team into the groud! Yeah right dude, what a lame statement. I'm not being offensive towards you, but that was a lame statement. De Matta did no worse than any previous Toyota driver. Panis, McNish, and the other guy I can't remember his name who partnered McNish. They did the best with what equipment they had.

When the car is not good, the driver is blamed, when the car is good, the driver get's the credit. The pendulum swings both ways, but it normally vears in the driver is to blame direction.

I have no respect for any team that blame a driver for their troubles, yet know their car is not up to scratch. It's total BS. Everyone wrote of Gene as an average driver. Then he's putting in fast times in the Ferrari and suddenly he's a good driver again.

There's so much more to the equation. The driver's talent, the car he is driving, the engineers and mechanics, the managers of the team etc. You get all those working in harmony and you basically get Ferrari. I hate MS but cannot ignore how well Ferrari and their whole team operate. It's not just money and them owning their own tracks. Toyota spent way more than they did and look how bad they are.

[nichosnz 0]

MS Cheated should of lost 94. Hill won 1996 convincingly from everyone but his teamate, who lost through no fault of Hill's. So your comment is wrong nich.

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Hill should not have even been in the running in Adelaide, but MS got a black flag in a race for an offence most drivers would have only got a penalty for. Then later in the season MS got DQ'd (due to bad luck NOT cheating, but rules are rules, so the DQ was fair) and the Benetton team said are you sure? and the FIA said Yes, and you miss 2 races for asking. If the same thing happened to a MS challenger today, well, lets just say, the media and forums would not be nice places for MS/Ferrari fans.

About my 1996 point, he won convincingly, yes, but no-one else (bar JV) had a car that should have been at the same circuit than the Williams. I never said the fact JV was a rookie was his fault.

Maybe my words were a little too strong when I said "He shouldn't have even won one." I should have said He was very lucky to win one.

[Sato 0]

Don't forget the illegal driving adds the beneton had in 1994.... but im sure those are fine

[nichosnz 0]

No evidence of that, and those kind of things always come out of the closet eventually.

[Sato 0]

One of the benetton staff admitted it. Something along the lines of "it had everything but cruise control". also the FIA found TC but never did anything about it, saying some bullcrap about it only being on for testing purposes...

[rodders47 2]

so maybe Benneton cheated so what !!! I doubt there is ONE team in F1 that has not tried to cheat.. Hey NOTHING is ILLEGAL till your caught RIGHT..

In EVERY form of Motor Racing the teams try to confuse the " SCREW IN EARS' (scrutineers) with little add on bits and pieces so why does anyone expect F1 to be different ???

As for M W well I bet he don't read this forum and like why should he !

Give him time I am sure he will prove a lot of the pundits wrong

[Sato 0]

So you approve of cheating? why don't you go watch soccer where half of the free kicks, were made possible by diving....

[nichosnz 0]

One of the benetton staff admitted it. Something along the lines of "it had everything but cruise control". also the FIA found TC but never did anything about it, saying some bullcrap about it only being on for testing purposes... 

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Did they admit, I have been looking out for anything of that nature since 94, because of the (unfounded) rumors. If this is true could someone/anyone please give me the name and issue of the publication that the claim appeared in. If not I have 1 word "conjecture".

Testing purposes only, well Benetton would not have been the first nor last team to do such a thing.

Did anyone ever consider that it was only the press and the anti-fans claiming TC, never any other Techies. They had a V8 remember vs a field of V10's, V8's generally have more torque, and I am quite sure that adds up to better traction.

[nojvnof1 0]

To who ever said Hill won in an Arrows, he should have won Hungary, ballsy drive that, in '97, but came 2nd to JV due to throttle probs, and as for his win in Belgium '98, it's similar to Panis' win at Monaco in 96, he only won cos there was so little of the field left, he did a great job just to keep the thing on the road and kept his head well, but had M$ not had his incident with DC, then he would have won easily.

Look, Hill was a good race driver, and a great test driver and did wonders at Arrows, but the fact a rookie in JV who knew virtually none of the tracks, got so close didn't look good on Hill's part. He should have beaten JV the same way JV beat HHF...convincingly. Don't take this the wrong way Im a fan of Hill's but some things just have to be said.

[Kaciaj 0]

WEBBER IS NOT,AND WILL NEVER BE THE NEXT SCHUEY....WEBBER IS SIMPLY A VERY GOOD DRIVER..NOT A CHAMPION,STOP.ALONSO MAY BE A CHAMPION,A SUPERSTAR,RAIKKONEN TOO,BUT WEBBER NOT,HE'S ALSO TOO OLD!!!AT 29 THE END OF HIS CAREER IS NOT SO MUCH FAR AWAY AND IF HE'S OUT TO WIN IS BETTER FOR HIM HE STARTS WINNING SOON!!