Kvyat Is A Dead Man

[BradSpeedMan 6]

OMFG!!!!

He was not leading the race to the title?

[BradSpeedMan 6]

How does every thread end up being about Webber and Vettel?Now, can we all just discuss things that are relevant right now, instead of this Vettel did this, Webber did that, but Vettel did this... bs? It is making so many threads annoying to read.....

It does'nt.... and what is making the thread annoying to read is the wrong facts about a driver that needs to be rectified.

I could go on about what I feel about Webber and I don't think a few of you would like either, but it's MY opinion and there's nothing you can do to change it, like I can't change yours.

Its not a question of it being MY opinion anymore, there's serial killers who's rotting in jail because of their opinion on matters of life. Certain things are so distorted and corrupted you have to debate and fight to make it right

[Sakae 0]

The Internet is very quick, willing, submissive to false claims, and if popular vote repeats a lie 1000x, it is then accepted by some of the lazy minds, as the truth.

One of the more prominent false criteria for evaluating a driver is a claim, that teammates drive the same car, yet the fact is, there is no such thing. There are numerous factors in that equation, which ultimately can affect the result one way or another. To me judging a driver based on comparative results of his teammate is just waste of pristine air, clean water, pure thought, and cyber ink.

[rodders47 2]

oh **** it after many years on this forum I think time to depart.............way too much crap

[Emmcee 0]

Brad, it's you who thinks there wrong facts, this is the issue here, people think they know more than someone who has done it or has experience or knows someone because you think it's wrong. If someone told me they knew someone working in the pitlane at the time my approach would be "maybe it does hold some weight, after all he was there not me" but people don't take that approach, it's as if there 100% there correct. Thate the only issue, ohh and that and the fact certain people have issues with me always saying "agree to disagree" it's like they want to keep arguing, how much longer do you have to go before you realise it's not going to change? People say I don't answer question or "run" from facts, the 2005 title work I put up has gone quiet, very little said on that, what people can see what Iam saying or don't want to admit there wrong, I hate bickering but it's coming to the point I can't post here without people thinking I have another motive, it's like they think there me and know what Iam thinking and about to say.

[Emmcee 0]

He was not leading the race to the title?

That's my whole point brad, he was leading and they still were backing Vettel, haven't you been reading anything I post?

[Sakae 0]

@E - would you accept that at one point there is no more convergence of opinions possible as we interpret certain events since we are not being able to obtain a comprehensive overview of all facts, and have those correctly analyzed, thus we get stuck with opinions only?

IMO for that reason really what we are doing is arguing whose opinion is better, rather than stating reality. Admittedly some opinions are better than others, some limited amount of facts creeps in, but other than that, since we are the world apart, I am not surprised we see the same world differently. Topics like team favor one driver over another is really an opinion, and hard to prove it because even people close to the action aren't privy to every single conversation on the inside. Sometimes there are no other ways, methinks, then end the discussion with admission, that there is no agreement and leave it there.

[Emmcee 0]

I totally agree with what your saying and if people here only did that, I wouldn't have an issue. But who has the authority to make judgement on whose opinion is better? That's also the issue, I've got no personal problem with anyone here, I just hate people telling me what Iam thinking, that what I may know is incorrect without knowing possibly knowing how the information was obtained, things like that and one particular member said they hate it when I say "agree to disagree", I say that when I know opinions differ and no one is willing to budge but this person obviously wants to keep arguing. I've tried to play it fair but whe others don't it makes it hard.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

oh **** it after many years on this forum I think time to depart.............way too much crap

Take it easy man... chill bru

[BradSpeedMan 6]

That's my whole point brad, he was leading and they still were backing Vettel, haven't you been reading anything I post?

See Webric my friend.... Webber would'nt have been able to lead the championship if they favoured Vettel

[Emmcee 0]

Why, would it suddenly change vettel's luck and he end up having less issues with the car and track issues and mistakes? Webber was leading because he was simply doing a better job than Seb at the time, had nothing to do with Redbull as webber was doing things on his own, team were running round like blue a$$ flies to help vettel's situation, that's why webber felt like a number two driver and the wing saga cemented his feelings towards the team. A driver who has worked with this team for years doesn't suddenly get up one morning with a chip on his shoulder towards his team, something has to provoke him. Webber had 4 wins to seb's 2 at the time things started turning a round.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Why, would it suddenly change vettel's luck and he end up having less issues with the car and track issues and mistakes? Webber was leading because he was simply doing a better job than Seb at the time, had nothing to do with Redbull as webber was doing things on his own, team were running round like blue a$$ flies to help vettel's situation, that's why webber felt like a number two driver and the wing saga cemented his feelings towards the team. A driver who has worked with this team for years doesn't suddenly get up one morning with a chip on his shoulder towards his team, something has to provoke him. Webber had 4 wins to seb's 2 at the time things started turning a round.

Webber needs the team for himself to do a good job, he cannot do it alone, its impossible. It fascinates me how you can concoct things to suit your agenda....REALLY, it amazes me. Just read your post again and tell me if it makes any sense, cause no one else will agree with you on this

[Emmcee 0]

You don't understand,you skip through posts and then ask a question that was already answered in a previous post. Course you won't understand

Bro, I know that, you fail to see anything with any common sense so it didn't surprise me at all, no conspiracies going on its all sweet. It's called conspiracy for a reason, there trying to con you, pull the wool over your eyes, but since society is so trusting there attitude is "nah, they wouldn't do that" and that's enough to satisfy there fear, which I could be a sheep like everyone else, would stop me getting into 20 minute conversations where ever I go because I always question everything and procedures companies do, quite funny when you question why they do it and they have no answer, just doing as there told. It boggles my mind how others can't see how webber was treated, he even says so in his book, but that incorrect isn't it what would webber know? He's just writing about it to sell books, but the media wouldn't do that at all to any other stories would they? No of course not, everyone is a 100% honest, especially in a billion dollar sport. Because people here no more, God could only imagine if it happened to kimi, guarantee you a million bucks, your outlook would be completely different. Could you imagine if schumi acted like Seb did? He was already classes a dirty driver for reasons I can't figure out but this would've just out the icing on the cake. I don't expect you or any other to understand as previous comments proove you simply have no idea and not just about the sport either but just take into concideration that some comments I right here have come from someone who actually worked in formula one,maybe if monkey told you that you would beleive me. Iam over this time and time again, doesn't matter what proof,even if a driver says it, he is wrong, I just can't argue especially when a answered question is asked in the next post and wanting me to answer it when the common decency isn't even used to answer mine, how rude is that? We have disagreements we all do, but once it starts to turn out like this when people can't be bothered to read posts asking the same thing that was already answered, it's going to far, it's taking personal feelings and letting it change your thought an outcome. If personally people don't like me, I'll go, Iam not going to stay, if it's becoming personal and don't even want to read posts now, I don't think anyone deserves to put up with that.

[Sakae 0]

Lots of politics behind the scenes at Red Bull – Kvyat

Read more at http://www.thisisf1....BGSVr36vbbtD.99

Considering control RBR managment holds over TR, Kvyat is not helping his case with these kind of interviews. Might be, that he knows its his last year with RB in any shape or form, thus he doesn't care. The thingy is, (i) burning bridges is not a best strategy available, (ii) other teams do not like to take such drivers on, because today it is RB, tommorrow it might be them. Kvyat is lacking proffesional guidance, and venting...

[Emmcee 0]

Kvyat got ripped of but big time, let's be honest here, kvyats results were and are good enough to keep him alongside Ricciardo, that's the truth. The second thing is, it's the timing, Kvyat is trying establish himself at the same time as hot shot verstappen, if verstappen wasn't in f1, this whole Kvyat scenario wouldn't have happened. Just a slap on the wrist for his recent actions and keep going. This also has put a dent on kvyats impression that he isn't as good as he seems which we know isn't the case, could this be a tactic to quietly slide Kvyat out all together and bring Gasley in?

[KoolMonkey 0]

Considering control RBR managment holds over TR, Kvyat is not helping his case with these kind of interviews. Might be, that he knows its his last year with RB in any shape or form, thus he doesn't care. The thingy is, (i) burning bridges is not a best strategy available, (ii) other teams do not like to take such drivers on, because today it is RB, tommorrow it might be them. Kvyat is lacking proffesional guidance, and venting...

The only person to lose out when speaking about or criticising your own team is a driver. It's now fact that once STR let a driver go, they have not been able to find ANY other seat in F1. So yes Kvyat's days could be numbered. Not sure who else Red Bull have waiting in the wings, but they certainly have shown over the years they are well adept and brining in talent. Something that Marko is specifically the boss for. Funny how he gets hated on so much, yet the proof is there he clearly knows what he's about.

[Emmcee 0]

Marko is good at what he does just some of his comments have come across as stupid,idiotic and just plane obvious that he supports certain drivers. There's a lot of people who are good at what they do but still can be d!ckheads.

[Sakae 0]

The only person to lose out when speaking about or criticising your own team is a driver. It's now fact that once STR let a driver go, they have not been able to find ANY other seat in F1. So yes Kvyat's days could be numbered. Not sure who else Red Bull have waiting in the wings, but they certainly have shown over the years they are well adept and brining in talent. Something that Marko is specifically the boss for. Funny how he gets hated on so much, yet the proof is there he clearly knows what he's about.

Agree. Dr. Marko has been accused, mostly by Weberrites, committing many sins, but he is a boss there, and he knows his business, like it, or hate it, take it, or leave it. That's the deal.

[Emmcee 0]

To say he supported webber the same as Vettel is just outright insane.

[Sakae 0]

Maybe so, maybe not so, I have no reliable inside sources to know the truth, and perpetual gossip is not going to be converted into facts, regardless how many times it is going to be repeated. Besides, despite my close following, I really haven't seen a glimps of Vettel twisting anyone's arms to have his way. In fact, because they were business partners, there was time when I've suspected Horner of being too much of Webber partisan.

[Emmcee 0]

What truth, couldn't you see it? It was clear as day, even webber made it pretty clear Marko had it in for him.

[Sakae 0]

What truth, couldn't you see it? It was clear as day, even webber made it pretty clear Marko had it in for him.

OK, maybe we should leave that subject, because there are several sides to it, and we obviously aren't going to agree with each other. Fact is, Webber had a chance to walk away from that situation, but he resigned, again, and again. Not all is what it seems, as they say.

[Emmcee 0]

Why would he walk away? Took the guy 9 years to win a race, he isn't going to just leave a winning car after it took 9 years to find it. I not talking about the different sides, Iam talking about how obvious the one sided play was, how people can't see this but make dramas out a an accident where a driver doesn't even touch anyone really boggles my mind. Webber never had any issue with any teammate until it's in a winning car, that's because redbull want to back the million dollar child they invested in instead of just some ageing driver. That's the truth, wouldn't you if you were redbull and what you have already spent on him? No, that's to reasonable to be real or a decent scenario isn't it, Seb appealed more for marketing,attracted the younger generation, all this is comcidered when making a choice on which way the team goes. They have to choose one, they can't support both and allow both to fight, it always ends in tears, people play fair everywhere in all walks of life, especially when millions are at stake, lmao denial I think.

[Emmcee 0]

Webber certainly didn't help his own situation much either though, he had the chance to fight back and take control but only really seemed able to do that in 2010, then the gap just got two big for the cars to be the same. Seb made it easier for redbull to support as they knew he could do a better job than webber, but webber could be faster on his day but it just wasn't enough of them, nearly everyone of webbers wins are by almost 20 odd seconds. Redbull was a team webber helped build up with couldthard, Seb was a junior then but still redbull. He had the support from many so early so when he came to redbull it was an automatic fit and I think it unsettled webber, to have a teammate he might not be able to beat and the pressure took its toll on him, but I do think redbull help spark the situation massivly simply by supporting one more than the other. Why would webber lie? Why would he say things like this about redbull? This is the same approach you have with Seb so what is it? Even after he left he said he was number 2 and receiving different treatment and weird strategy calls.