Team Orders

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Disgraceful

That cost JPM a certain victory

And why was KR catching him so quickly, his sector times were significantly down.

That was blatant team orders

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Heat of the moment stuff from me

It did certainly appear peculiar that JPM was doing 1:16 laps and appeared to be losing an 8 second gap to KR hand over fist -

Controversy follows JPM, but the guy is very very quick and should have won the race by a mile

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Heat of the moment stuff from me

It did certainly appear peculiar that JPM was doing 1:16 laps and appeared to be losing an 8 second gap to KR hand over fist -

Controversy follows JPM, but the guy is very very quick and should have won the race by a mile

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Sadly some race officers did think that would have him been disqualified Ferrari would have had Schumacher in fight with Raikkonen....

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Heat of the moment stuff from me

It did certainly appear peculiar that JPM was doing 1:16 laps and appeared to be losing an 8 second gap to KR hand over fist -

Controversy follows JPM, but the guy is very very quick and should have won the race by a mile

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Yet again JPM made a stupid mistake. As I have maintained, JPM can be a very quick racer and he is fantastic at overtaking and pouncing after restarts but these frequent, stupid and totally unnecessary mistakes hurt him badly. He has got to learn

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Yet again JPM made a stupid mistake.  As I have maintained, JPM can be a very quick racer and he is fantastic at overtaking and pouncing after restarts but these frequent, stupid and totally unnecessary mistakes hurt him badly.  He has got to learn

[AutoRacer5 0]

2 years in a row disqualification. what a shame, what a shame.

[Gilles27 0]

McLaren used team orders today

I have no objection to team orders but I don't like them insulting our intelligence

The international code for telling a driver to pit is the term "box box box" always said 3 times so there is no confusion yet we are meant to believe that Montoya even though he can speak 4 languages fluently did not understand the term "box box box" ??

More likely a) it never happened at all for him to misunderstand or McLaren suffered a temporary glitch with the radio for a few seconds in the race at the point they were telling him to pit

Why can't McLaren just be upfront and honest and admit they used team orders instead of treating us like 5 year olds

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I thought they said on ITV that the team had called JPM in the same lap as Kimi but that he had mis-heard the signal & stayed out?

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thats what i heard!

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Ron Dennis

"Throughout the race we had to take some difficult decisions which only increased the pressure on the pitwall. Against this backdrop the mistake was made of not calling Juan Pablo in immediately after the deployment of the Safety Car which, of course, was only compounded by him driving through the red light."

I wonder what difficult decisons they had to make.....

True, JPM was at fault but had he waited behind the red light he would have ended up at the back of the pack instead of leading the race.

It was his team's fault but JPM compounded it by jumping the red light.

I dont blame him, the team were prepared to sacrifice his race for KR

Blatantly..........

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Ron Dennis

"Throughout the race we had to take some difficult decisions which only increased the pressure on the pitwall. Against this backdrop the mistake was made of not calling Juan Pablo in immediately after the deployment of the Safety Car which, of course, was only compounded by him driving through the red light."

I wonder what difficult decisons they had to make.....

True, JPM was at fault but had he waited behind the red light he would have ended up at the back of the pack instead of leading the race.

It was his team's fault but JPM compounded it by jumping the red light.

I dont blame him, the team were prepared to sacrifice his race for KR

Blatantly..........

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If true, it wouldn

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No conspiracy theory Senna, I was watching the sector/lap times before JB's accident and JPM was suddenly losing 1.5 secs a lap to go from 8 secs in front of KR to 3.8 secs before the safety car. It was obvious what was going on.

James Allen found it incredulous that the team failed to pit JPM ahead of KR and indeed, Ron Dennis has admitted that this was the team's mistake.

For me JPM was the fastest man in the race and should have won by a mile. Ferrari or Renault would not have made such a mistake.

Sad but true

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Autosport/

"When both the Renaults went out, we took the immediate decision that we were going to go for a safe one-two," said McLaren boss Ron Dennis.

"So we slowed the cars down, which means that you have discussion with the drivers, and Juan Pablo needed to be reassured that if he dropped his pace it was not going to cost him his race win.

"Of course we had to convince Kimi not to overdrive the car with his problem.

"There was some tension on the pit wall as this was being explained. As we came into a relatively calm and controlled period, the safety car came out," added Dennis.

Team strategists advised to make pitstops but the instruction was not given to Montoya until after he had gone past the pitlane entrance. Raikkonen was therefore first in.

"Of course that meant that Kimi had an advantage, because he went back in the lead," said Dennis. "When Juan Pablo came in he was calm, he was not angry or frustrated.

"He was disciplined and an engineer followed the procedure which is to remind the driver to stay left of the white line (on exit) which is critical. What we can't do is also remind him to look for a red light.

"He rejoined the race under what he believes could even have been a blue and red light."

Dennis said that as soon as the team realised the situation, they asked race director Charlie Whiting whether Montoya should drop to the back of the grid or take a drive-through penalty. Whiting left the matter in the hands of the stewards.

"I felt the penalty was out of kilter with the crime," added Dennis.

"We made three mistakes," he said. "He made the mistake coming out after the first stop which would have given him second place in the race, we made the error on not calling him in and ultimately he made an error on going out.

"We're bitterly disappointed that we didn't have a one-two but on the other hand we can't let that disappointment detract from an excellent race win by Kimi."

Slick McClaren PR

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i think the order was extremely unfair

but montoya couldn't really argue about "what could have been"

since it was he that threw his race away

besides i think renault did use team orders as well

if they didn't

alonso certainly wanted them to

because he kept radioed in and complained about fisichella

and then after the 1st pitstop

all of a sudden fisichella loses his pace (how suspicious is that)

[amjay 0]

i do not think there were any team orders... mclaren dun practice tht besides jpm aint a person to give in to team orders

[nojvnof1 0]

"and then after the 1st pitstop

all of a sudden fisichella loses his pace (how suspicious is that)"

there was nothing suspicous about Alonso passing Fisi. Fisi came out ahead of Alonso after their first stop but then lost hyrdraulic pressure, meaning he wasn't flat as usual in turn 5 and lost out to Alonso.

As for McLaren, I don't know what to make of it, although I think that the article Fed Up posted from Autosport explains everything. What JPM did was dumb (exiting pit lane whilst red light was on). If the rule states that's a DQ, then the stewards did the right thing.

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"and then after the 1st pitstop

all of a sudden fisichella loses his pace (how suspicious is that)"

there was nothing suspicous about Alonso passing Fisi. Fisi came out ahead of Alonso after their first stop but then lost hyrdraulic pressure, meaning he wasn't flat as usual in turn 5 and lost out to Alonso.

As for McLaren, I don't know what to make of it, although I think that the article Fed Up posted from Autosport explains everything. What JPM did was dumb (exiting pit lane whilst red light was on). If the rule states that's a DQ, then the stewards did the right thing.

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Can you believe the coincidence of that. Renault have been particularly culpable this season when it comes to GF/FA - There is definitely something going on at Renault

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I don't think so, I just think it was a bad case of being a coincidence. When Alonso went on the radio whinging to the team, he said "I'm quicker, let me past" or something like that to which the team replied, and this is gold, "well if you're faster, pass him!!" I don't think anything is going on, although Fisi is having some rotten luck.

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I did wonder whether Montoya deliberately got himself disqualified as a kinda "**** you" to the team for sacrificing his race to help Raikkonen

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I did wonder whether Montoya deliberately got himself disqualified as a kinda "**** you" to the team for sacrificing his race to help Raikkonen

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I thought that...

Can you remember the race(France I think) when he was chasing down ralf and the team pitted ralf ahead of him, thereafter his pace dropped considerably. I guess he was just ranting at the team instead of driving.

[Gilles27 0]

The red light AND then overtaking DC under the safety car, its as if he wanted to be disqualified

With his experience in CART where there are on average 6-7 safety car periods a race he of all drivers would be familiar with protocol under safety car

[Ash 0]

I think all you guys are wrong! JPM was called in first but had already past the entrance. I believe it was an error on his engineers part. IMO, I don't think orders were used! JPM makes the stupidest mistakes and that was just one of them

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"Can you remember the race(France I think) when he was chasing down ralf and the team pitted ralf ahead of him, thereafter his pace dropped considerably."

he dropped his pace as he went nuts on the radio calling the team a bunch of "sh!ts"

[raikkonen_rulez 0]

I don't think so, I just think it was a bad case of being a coincidence. When Alonso went on the radio whinging to the team, he said "I'm quicker, let me past" or something like that to which the team replied, and this is gold, "well if you're faster, pass him!!"  I don't think anything is going on, although Fisi is having some rotten luck.

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it's not like they can say anything else

they're not going to announce to the world they're cheating

or considering to

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This is James Allen's view(ITV)

http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=Ja...len&PO_ID=33135

Spot on i'd say old boy