Who Are Your Top 3 Drivers In F1?

[Jem of the Shire 0]

This is turning into a Kimi Raikkonen supporters clubs Alonso bashing thread... As soon as I hear the words "Alonso"+"Inherited" in the same sentence, I laugh and rather say "Raikkonen"+"Car Breaker"!

Here's to Kimi breaking plenty more cars in 2007 and bags full of new excuses.

Kind Regards

Fan of the Double world champion!

no no no cos the alonso + inherited actually has some kind of justification, whereas the Kimi - carbreaker doesnt.

How many cars did kimi break in 2006???? Arent u going to look silly if/when mclarens are unreliable next year? What will you say when people start saying "alonso is a car-breaker"? Dont worry i wont be saying it cos i know its ridiculous, but people will say it

[Wez 0]

I still loved the way Raikkonen blew more engines than Montoya while they were team mates! Its like Little Red Riding Hook kicking down more trees than the incredible Hulk!

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I still loved the way Raikkonen blew more engines than Montoya while they were team mates! Its like Little Red Riding Hook kicking down more trees than the incredible Hulk!

perhaps it was because of the engine reliablility rather than down to the driver - just a thought. Stop it with this carbreaker crap please! just because kimi is alonso's biggest rival doesnt mean u need to talk poopoo to try and make him look bad!

[Wez 0]

perhaps it was because of the engine reliablility rather than down to the driver - just a thought. Stop it with this carbreaker crap please! just because kimi is alonso's biggest rival doesnt mean u need to talk poopoo to try and make him look bad!

Dont worry, I hear even Kimi is a massive fan of Alonso

[Sato 0]

yea i think there was 1 race in 2005 where alonso actually beat the mclarens fair and square, and that was china

Thats really funny... Button's ONLY win could be consider inherited from Alonso's bad luck......

2006, Bahrain is an example of Alonso winning in a car that was not the best.

[dribbler 6]

It still got start of the year for 2005 so it was obviously still a skilled peice of driving.

Or a poor qualifying position........

[ykickamoocow 0]

Or a poor qualifying position........

The RB1 wasnt a overally competitive car and 13th was a perfectly normal qualifying position for it.

[dribbler 6]

The RB1 wasnt a overally competitive car and 13th was a perfectly normal qualifying position for it.

Or, DC wasn't an overly competitive qualifier and 13th was a perfectly normal qualifying position for him.

[Schumikonen 2]

Why dont you take a hard look at the 1997 season as Coulthard won in that car and it wasnt overally competitive. Why dont you do your research before you start spouting out such crap.

Yeah and Olivier Panis won a race not in a single track he did it in Monaco and in a backmaker car do you remind that, could I say for that that he is the best of the best for that? That makes him better than DC if I am going to think like you do.

[Schumikonen 2]

I still loved the way Raikkonen blew more engines than Montoya while they were team mates! Its like Little Red Riding Hook kicking down more trees than the incredible Hulk!

Do you really think that a driver can break a car?

[Schumikonen 2]

I think our friend was just mucking around and having some fun at FA, DC & GF fans expense

I think anyway

Right Schumikonen?????

Yes and no, some people here overate some driver and underate another one, I am trying to make justice playing in the same level while having fun at the same time.

That's why I have Freakazoid in my sign because this forum in like him, he got all the knowledge of the internet (and I see a lot of people here with a great knowledge about F1) and he is at the same time some kind of stupid, I don't like to use this word in this case but I can't find a better one, my english is not good to siwtch from one word to another and some people here is like that part of him, and I am not saying thta they are stupid, problably annoying would be a better word, so you can find anything in between here and that is were I am, some where in between some time depending on my mood I will answer with my real thinking, if I am too happy I will trying to mock around and make some fun, or i will try to annoy somebody, or I'll be in one side of the conversation and if I see that the other side is right i will switch to that side without previous notice, so you are in a good position in my list because you figured out what I was doing this time.

[Max Mosley 2]

That's the spirit Schumikonen!

[aussief1 4]

Yes and no, some people here overate some driver and underate another one, I am trying to make justice playing in the same level while having fun at the same time.

That's why I have Freakazoid in my sign because this forum in like him, he got all the knowledge of the internet (and I see a lot of people here with a great knowledge about F1) and he is at the same time some kind of stupid, I don't like to use this word in this case but I can't find a better one, my english is not good to siwtch from one word to another and some people here is like that part of him, and I am not saying thta they are stupid, problably annoying would be a better word, so you can find anything in between here and that is were I am, some where in between some time depending on my mood I will answer with my real thinking, if I am too happy I will trying to mock around and make some fun, or i will try to annoy somebody, or I'll be in one side of the conversation and if I see that the other side is right i will switch to that side without previous notice, so you are in a good position in my list because you figured out what I was doing this time.

for me then

Keep up the good work Schumikonen

[Autumnpuma 0]

One term for you to search for on the internet, Shumikonen: Mechanical Sympathy.

[Schumikonen 2]

One term for you to search for on the internet, Shumikonen: Mechanical Sympathy.

I found this:

On Mechanical Sympathy

February 2002

Mechanical Sympathy (mi-kan'i-kal sim-path-'i)

A relationship or an affinity between a person and an object pertaining to, governed by, or in accordance with mechanics or the laws of motion where one correspondingly affects the other, esp the lacking ability to leave a car in neutral and hold one's foot to the floor on the loud pedal.

"...and sometimes, just for fun, I'd drive all the way to work in my datsun without using the clutch when changing gears. Take you foot off the accelerator and put light pressure on the stick to change to the next gear - it will pop in and out when the revs line up without any crunching at all. To drop down a gear, pop the box into neutral , rev the engine up a bit while lightly pressing the stick against the gear you want and it will also drop in when the revs are right. It's not the fastest changing in the world, but it gives you something to do to relieve the boredom of being on 4 wheels."

My favourite driver in my country used to do this, driving without using the clutch, he said that he can do his car faster this way here is a pic of his car

[Wez 0]

Do you really think that a driver can break a car?

I know it... Anyone who thinks otherwise is lost!

[Wez 0]

Thats really funny... Button's ONLY win could be consider inherited from Alonso's bad luck......

2006, Bahrain is an example of Alonso winning in a car that was not the best.

YES... On both accounts!

[Schumikonen 2]

I know it... Anyone who thinks otherwise is lost!

Could you explain me how can they do it?

[ykickamoocow 0]

I know it... Anyone who thinks otherwise is lost!

While i agree that a driver can break his car i think it would be a difficult thing to do. McLaren have always had reliability problems and sometimes these problems cost them the championship. Look at Coulthard as when he was with McLaren he was breaking down all the time but when he went to Red Bull his car was much more reliable. I personally think its more McLaren's problem than Raikkonen's but i guess we will see next year when he joins Ferrari.

[Wez 0]

While i agree that a driver can break his car i think it would be a difficult thing to do. McLaren have always had reliability problems and sometimes these problems cost them the championship. Look at Coulthard as when he was with McLaren he was breaking down all the time but when he went to Red Bull his car was much more reliable. I personally think its more McLaren's problem than Raikkonen's but i guess we will see next year when he joins Ferrari.

There is no doubt the 2005 Mclaren was quite susceptible to breaking on its own there is no doubt Kimi complicated the problem...

My favourate example was during the French Gp I think it was in 2005 when Kimi was running in second far behind the leader and yet was wasting away the engine pushing it for no reason including fastest lap on the last lap of the race. The very next GP that same engine blew up...

Now tell me, If Kimi had driven sensibly like Alonso does in those circumstances by turning down the revs ect when he saw there were clearly no positions to be made up by going flat out would the engine have held out the next race... Quite possibly it may have!

[ykickamoocow 0]

There is no doubt the 2005 Mclaren was quite susceptible to breaking on its own there is no doubt Kimi complicated the problem...

My favourate example was during the French Gp I think it was in 2005 when Kimi was running in second far behind the leader and yet was wasting away the engine pushing it for no reason including fastest lap on the last lap of the race. The very next GP that same engine blew up...

Now tell me, If Kimi had driven sensibly like Alonso does in those circumstances by turning down the revs ect when he saw there were clearly no positions to be made up by going flat out would the engine have held out the next race... Quite possibly it may have!

Im reasonably certain that McLaren like every other team tell there drivers what engine settings they should be on. It is Kimi's job to drive as fast as he can with the equipment avaiable and if McLaren wanted to save the engine they should have told him to change the engine to a lower setting so it wouldnt rev so much and would last longer.

[Wez 0]

Im reasonably certain that McLaren like every other team tell there drivers what engine settings they should be on. It is Kimi's job to drive as fast as he can with the equipment avaiable and if McLaren wanted to save the engine they should have told him to change the engine to a lower setting so it wouldnt rev so much and would last longer.

It's called Common sense??? The guy isn't in kinder garden anymore... Full revs+foot flat=boom

[ykickamoocow 0]

It's called Common sense??? The guy isn't in kinder garden anymore... Full revs+foot flat=boom

But McLaren are the ones who are suppose to decide what revs Kimi has. Its not Kimi's choice. I think Raikkonen's race engineer is more to blame than Raikkonen himself.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

It's called Common sense??? The guy isn't in kinder garden anymore... Full revs+foot flat=boom

FYI....I've read an article in the latest F1racing mag called "Looking back in anger", subheading "In five seasons at Mclaren, Kimi's talent has been squandered", it gives an analysis of DNF's and points lost on Kimi related engine failures....Not ONE of those failures are Kimi blamed......

Listen to what a team principal has to say about Kimi's driving....."Kimi is absolutely magical," he told Racer Magazine. "He is the kind of talent that you see only once in may be 10 or 15 years. "When I saw him at Sauber when he first started, it reminded me of Spa-Francorchamps in August 1991 where this kid called Michael Schumacher was setting quick times during practice. "I just thought, 'How on earth have we missed this one?' "Kimi has amazing speed, he's blindingly fast and he lives for driving F1 cars on the absolute limit." It seems to me like it's an honor to drive a car to it's abolute limit, actually the driver's talent are determined by it.

Here goes a quote by peter Windsor in the same F1racing mag.....

"Kimi is the purest driver in F1 right now. He thinks in straight lines; he drives in straight lines - and he manages the dynamic weight of the car perfectly. There is nothing extraneous about his driving. He seamlessly blends the craft of gentle-firm application with little turn/big turn steering inputs..... Juan drove with his heart, feel and reflex - and could never tame the Mclaren's understeer. Kimi, driving with his head, his hands and his feet, was a quantum leap in front....Kimi is now as fast as Michael - with the proviso that Micheal was a more technical driver: he was more able to play with the car's electronic aids in order to compensate for changing fuel loads or degrading tyre grip.....Fernando? Fernando in a Renault is now as quick (which I very much doubt) as Kimi, but we have yet to see wether Fernando will be as fast as Kimi in a Mclaren with understeer. Kimi is definately quicker, meanwhile, than Massa - quicker in a sense that he will be more consistently be able to sustain the car's ultimate lap time, and in sodoing be less demanding of himself and the car.....

Relative to Michael, racecraft is probably Kimi's weakest area...Relative to everyone else, Kimi is right there....Then there's that other, wonderful, Micheal like talent, evident when Kimi has to brake later than he wants in order to command an inside line. He releases the brakes a little, straightens the car, brakes again making it clear than no-one turns in until HE turns in - and then he's off, a dragster again, clean and easy.."

I want to kill the engine-breaking mechanical sympathy bulls##t once and for all. If experts, the team principal and F1racing expert, talks about driving a car to it's absolute limit and a driver's talent is determined by this, who the hell are you to question and blame a driver for breaking engines. Michael drove the same way for years!!!!!! They know what they are talking about! Everyone that thinks this from now on is viewed as an idiot in my book!!!!!!

[BradSpeedMan 6]

But McLaren are the ones who are suppose to decide what revs Kimi has. Its not Kimi's choice. I think Raikkonen's race engineer is more to blame than Raikkonen himself.

These last 2 post of yours are absolute momentous!!!!!!! classic mate!!!!

and you're not even a Kimi fan, that says alot...