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[Eric]

ESPN.com has elected a panel consisting of:
� Kenny Bernstein -- Six-time NHRA champion with four Funny Car titles and two Top Fuel titles.
� Terry Blount -- ESPN.com motorsports writer.
� Tim Brewer -- ESPN NASCAR commentator and two-time Cup championship crew chief.
� K. Lee Davis -- ESPN.com motorsports editor.
� Mike Dunn -- ESPN analyst for NHRA events and one of only four drivers with 10 or more career victories in Top Fuel and Funny Car.
� Ray Evernham -- ESPN NASCAR analyst and crew chief for three of Jeff Gordon's four Cup championships.
� A.J. Foyt -- Four-time Indy 500 winner.
� Scott Goodyear -- ESPN IndyCar analyst, former IndyCar racer and member of the Canadian Motorsports Hall of Fame.
� Jeff Gordon -- Four-time Cup champion in NASCAR.
� Mike Harris -- Long-time auto racing writer for the Associated Press.
� Dale Jarrett -- ESPN NASCAR analyst and 1999 Cup champion.
� Dan Knutson -- Formula One writer for ESPN.com.
� Ryan McGee -- Motorsports writer for ESPN The Magazine and ESPN.com.
� Juan Pablo Montoya -- Current Cup driver, 1999 CART champion, 2000 Indy 500 winner and former Formula One driver.
� John Oreovicz -- American open-wheel racing writer for ESPN.com.
� Richard Petty -- Seven-time Cup champion in NASCAR.
� Marty Reid -- ESPN motorsports broadcaster.
� Tony Stewart -- Two-time Cup champion in NASCAR and 1997 IRL champion.
� Rusty Wallace -- ESPN NASCAR analyst and 1989 Cup champion.
to nominate the Top 25 drivers of all time.

They are as follows:
1: AJ Foyt
2: Mario Andretti
3: Dale Earnhardt
4: Michael Schumacher
5: Ayrton Senna
6: Richard Petty
7: David Pearson
8: Jim Clark
9: Juan Manuel Fangio
10: Jeff Gordon
11: Rick Mears
12: John Force
13: Jackie Stewart
14: Cale Yarborough
15: Al Unser
16: Tony Stewart
17: Bobby Unser
18: Alain Prost
19: Emerson Fittipaldi
20: Darrell Waltrip
21: Shirley Muldowney
22: Niki Lauda
23: Don Garlits
24: Nigel Mansell
25: Steve Kinser

Steve Kinser, for the record, is so much better than 25th.

[medilloni]

Eric, on May 23 2008, 08:07 PM, said:

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to nominate the Top 25 drivers of all time.

They are as follows:
1: AJ Foyt
2: Mario Andretti
3: Dale Earnhardt
4: Michael Schumacher
5: Ayrton Senna
6: Richard Petty
7: David Pearson
8: Jim Clark
9: Juan Manuel Fangio
10: Jeff Gordon
11: Rick Mears
12: John Force
13: Jackie Stewart
14: Cale Yarborough
15: Al Unser
16: Tony Stewart
17: Bobby Unser
18: Alain Prost
19: Emerson Fittipaldi
20: Darrell Waltrip
21: Shirley Muldowney
22: Niki Lauda
23: Don Garlits
24: Nigel Mansell
25: Steve Kinser

Steve Kinser, for the record, is so much better than 25th.

No bias there then, eh?  

[Quiet One]

Here's my list, and I bet it will be more accurate:

1) Me
2) Fangio
3) Fontana
4) Mazzacane
5) Anybody whose last name is "Di Palma"
6) Me
7) Senna
8) Eric
9) f1 master batracer
10) Me
11) All past F1 glories.
12) Mommy
13) Alonso
14) Speed Racer
15) His brother "X"
16) d#ck Dastardly
17) My d#ck
18) d#ck Cheney
19) Moby d#ck
20) The remaining F1 drivers
21) All WRC drivers
22) My donkey
23) Eric's donkey
24) Alonso's donkey
25) Vitantonio Liuzzi
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.
7,503,000,215,865) Nelson Piquet, Jr.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer]

Quiet One, on May 23 2008, 09:53 PM, said:

7,503,000,215,865) Nelson Piquet, Jr.

Sorry Andres, he's not that good

[Eric]

The ESPN list IS flawed.

But I agree with a lot of their drivers.  I've seen worse.

1: Danica Patrick!!!!1111@!@#!@#!oneeleven!
2: Jeff Gordon
3: Kasey Kahne
4: Dale Jr
5: I don't know more than 4 drivers

If I had to violate my religious beliefs and make a top 25...

1: Mario Andretti
2: Dale Earnhardt, Sr.
3: AJ Foyt
4: Michael Schumacher
5: Jim Clark
6: Ayrton Senna
7: Tony Stewart
8: John Force
9: Richard Petty
10: Steve Kinser
11: David Pearson
12: Jeff Gordon

I'd stop at 12 because I really don't care enough to finish.  Insert 13 Indy 500 heros, NASCAR legends from 1950-1990, and Alan Kulwicki and we have a list.

[medilloni]

Eric, on May 23 2008, 10:09 PM, said:

The ESPN list IS flawed.

But I agree with a lot of their drivers.  I've seen worse.

1: Danica Patrick!!!!1111@!@#!@#!oneeleven!
2: Jeff Gordon
3: Kasey Kahne
4: Dale Jr
5: I don't know more than 4 drivers

If I had to violate my religious beliefs and make a top 25...

1: Mario Andretti
2: Dale Earnhardt, Sr.
3: AJ Foyt
4: Michael Schumacher
5: Jim Clark
6: Ayrton Senna
7: Tony Stewart
8: John Force
9: Richard Petty
10: Steve Kinser
11: David Pearson
12: Jeff Gordon

I'd stop at 12 because I really don't care enough to finish.  Insert 13 Indy 500 heros, NASCAR legends from 1950-1990, and Alan Kulwicki and we have a list.

Well, each to their own.  But I really don't want a pint of what you're on Eric

[The Rumble Strip]

Lists like this are always very good to look at but the trouble is they are not very subjective

Contributors are likely to be biased towards their own favourites, hence some seemingly strange inclusions and similarly as times goes on, older drivers may got forgotten about.

[Rainmaster]

Team Formula One, on May 24 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

Lists like this are always very good to look at but the trouble is they are not very subjective

Contributors are likely to be biased towards their own favourites, hence some seemingly strange inclusions and similarly as times goes on, older drivers may got forgotten about.

You mean objective, I agree with you.

[The Rumble Strip]

Oops, of course I do.

[Eric]

I agree.  I've said 1000s of times how pointless I think lists are.

But...I think this is a solid list.  The order may be off, but I think that they have most of the top 25.  There's a few they're missing, but then again, there's been 23894723897348957348579827385 racecar drivers in the history of the world; picking 25 means you have to leave out a lot of them.

Best damn driver: Mario Andretti
Best damn stock car driver: Dale Earnhardt
Best damn open wheel driver: Jim Clark

Or something like that.

[Elizabeth Sterling]

Senna will always be the king of open-wheelers for me. Y'know when he did his CART test back between 93 and 94 he was actually almost instantly setting amazing lap-times. The man had so much raw speed it was dangerous, he won 5 races in a fairly poor Mclaren with an old sportscar block in the back, he took pole at Suzuka 89 by over *two seconds* and had so much raw speed it was dangerous. I'm not saying that he far outstrips the other greats, (Prost, JYS, Clark, Fangio, Schumacher), he's just the one that had the most visually impressive talent and talked-about abillities for me. People will remember Senna long after they've forgotten the Schumi era.

Any other form of racing I'm not too qualified to comment on, I feel.

Edited by Elizabeth Sterling, 24 May 2008 - 05:47 PM.

[Eric]

I'm just a biased son of a bitch and could never say someone who didn't win an Indy 500 was the best open wheel driver.

But at least I can admit that.

[BradSpeedMan]

Quiet One, on May 23 2008, 10:53 PM, said:

Here's my list, and I bet it will be more accurate:

1) Me
2) Fangio
3) Fontana
4) Mazzacane
5) Anybody whose last name is "Di Palma"
6) Me
7) Senna
8) Eric
9) f1 master batracer
10) Me
11) All past F1 glories.
12) Mommy
13) Alonso
14) Speed Racer
15) His brother "X"
16) d#ck Dastardly
17) My d#ck
18) d#ck Cheney
19) Moby d#ck
20) The remaining F1 drivers
21) All WRC drivers
22) My donkey
23) Eric's donkey
24) Alonso's donkey
25) Vitantonio Liuzzi
.
.
.
.
.
7,503,000,215,865) Nelson Piquet, Jr.

       

[Argento Reloaded]

Quiet One, on May 23 2008, 05:53 PM, said:

Here's my list, and I bet it will be more accurate:

1) Me
2) Fangio
3) Fontana
4) Mazzacane
5) Anybody whose last name is "Di Palma"
6) Me
7) Senna
8) Eric
9) f1 master batracer
10) Me
11) All past F1 glories.
12) Mommy
13) Alonso
14) Speed Racer
15) His brother "X"
16) d#ck Dastardly
17) My d#ck
18) d#ck Cheney
19) Moby d#ck
20) The remaining F1 drivers
21) All WRC drivers
22) My donkey
23) Eric's donkey
24) Alonso's donkey
25) Vitantonio Liuzzi
.
.
.
.
.
7,503,000,215,865) Nelson Piquet, Jr.

I agree with you but the first 3 places
1st: My wife (remember I�m married and she is the boss!)
2nd: My 7 year old soon (he never drive nthing but a bicycle but he�s got the talent)
3rd: Me or my maid I�m still in doubt... ME

PS: you�ve forgot TUERO!!!!! What a shame Andr�s!!!

[Quiet One]

Argento, on May 26 2008, 10:17 AM, said:

I agree with you but the first 3 places
1st: My wife (remember I�m married and she is the boss!)
2nd: My 7 year old soon (he never drive nthing but a bicycle but he�s got the talent)
3rd: Me or my maid I�m still in doubt... ME

PS: you�ve forgot TUERO!!!!! What a shame Andr�s!!!

I forgot Larrauri, too! Though anybody that goes by the nickname "Popi" shouldn't be allowed to enter F1 and should join the teletubbies instead.