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[demonhorse]

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 12:56 PM, said:

Being Ferrari 'to the core', as you put it, does not mean you have to be biased 'to the core' as well.

Claiming that the FIA have targeted and punished Ferrari and their drivers is so far fetched you have to live on another planet in order to make such an observation.

OK, name another time this season when a MAJOR team's first driver has been punished that wasn't a Ferrari?

I suppose you will try to claim it is Renault that were screwed over.

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cavallino, on Sep 10 2006, 01:01 PM, said:

Wonderful, one day the whole paddock unites against Michael, he gets punished and the steward is the new god, then when Alonso gets punished, the whole paddock unites against him and says the championship is fixed and he is corrupt. Is the whole world cray? Am I the only one who can see the hypocrisy?

Maybe you just can't take a hint

[demonhorse]

cavallino, on Sep 10 2006, 01:01 PM, said:

Wonderful, one day the whole paddock unites against Michael, he gets punished and the steward is the new god, then when Alonso gets punished, the whole paddock unites against him and says the championship is fixed and he is corrupt. Is the whole world cray? Am I the only one who can see the hypocrisy?

        

Couldn't have put it better! Seems that whatever other drivers do, it's Schumacher that's the bad guy.

and now Alonso's going straight across chicanes... and he calls Schumacher a cheat I do hope he will let Heidfeld back into his rightful place.

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 12:56 PM, said:

Being Ferrari 'to the core', as you put it, does not mean you have to be biased 'to the core' as well.

Why not, the opposite hasn't stopped you being biased against them, hypocrite.

Edited by demonhorse, 10 September 2006 - 12:07 PM.

[Ctrl300]

demonhorse, on Sep 10 2006, 10:03 PM, said:

OK, name another time this season when a MAJOR team's first driver has been punished that wasn't a Ferrari?

Fernando at Hungary.

[demonhorse]

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 01:09 PM, said:

Fernando at Hungary.

Exactly... out of a whole season, ONE event.... I mean right now he's getting away with keeping an advantage by cutting a chicane... something Schumi was criticised for in a previous race even though he eventually let him back past.

and now ITV showing bias yet again
"Hopefully Schumacher announcing his retirement"

[cavallino]

ITV are b#####ds

[Ctrl300]

demonhorse, on Sep 10 2006, 10:15 PM, said:

Exactly... out of a whole season, ONE event.... I mean right now he's getting away with keeping an advantage by cutting a chicane... something Schumi was criticised for in a previous race even though he eventually let him back past.

and now ITV showing bias yet again
"Hopefully Schumacher announcing his retirement"

Schumacher should have been punished for blocking at the start at Turkey where he made three lane changes.
Schumacher should have been punished for defending his position by driving over chicanes at Hungary, which he did twice.
Schumacher got punished for parking his car so conveniently at Monaco.
Schumacher got also punished at Hungary.

Alonso got punished at Hungary.
Alonso is given a highly dubious punishment at Monza.

Yes, you are absolutely right, the FIA and the race stewards are targeting Ferrari

[demonhorse]

cavallino, on Sep 10 2006, 01:19 PM, said:

ITV are b#####ds

Yep, pandering to the will of the Alonso horde again... hmm. I hear them defending Alonso no matter what, and the penalty in Hungary was earned with his gesticulations.. I never used to find Alonso so irritating as I do now.

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 01:22 PM, said:

Schumacher should have been punished for defending his position by driving over chicanes at Hungary, which he did twice.

Yes and he eventually let the other guy past.... but I bet looking through your blue tinted glasses you conveniently forgot that, huh. You also conveniently forgot the car damage that Schumacher had which led to him having problems with the chicanes. Let me know when car damage becomes a punishable offence.

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 01:22 PM, said:

Schumacher got also punished at Hungary.

Make up your mind, which is it?

Either way ITV have always jumped on the slightest opportunity to criticise Schumacher and ALWAYS defend Alonso.

and now Alonso battling Heidfeld is "bad news for Alonso" You'll excuse me if I don't get the violins out as RACING IS HIS JOB!!!  

Edited by demonhorse, 10 September 2006 - 12:38 PM.

[AutoRacer5]

Doesn't matter now, as Alonso has Done Blown Up!

[demonhorse]

AutoRacer5, on Sep 10 2006, 02:09 PM, said:

Doesn't matter now, as Alonso has Done Blown Up!

10 places back next race?
Also he managed to impede Massa... hmmm.

[pumpdoc]

demonhorse, on Sep 10 2006, 06:11 AM, said:

10 places back next race?
Also he managed to impede Massa... hmmm.

nope he didn't finish the race, no penalty.........

[UrKo]

pumpdoc, on Sep 10 2006, 04:39 PM, said:

nope he didn't finish the race, no penalty.........

Was this his second race with same engine or not???

[cavallino]

It was Alonso's first race with a new spec engine, he gets no penalty and another new engine because he retired.

Michael also gets the new Monza spec engine next race.

[UrKo]

cavallino, on Sep 10 2006, 04:45 PM, said:

It was Alonso's first race with a new spec engine, he gets no penalty and another new engine because he retired.

Michael also gets the new Monza spec engine next race.

ok....thanks...

[Ctrl300]

demonhorse, on Sep 10 2006, 10:28 PM, said:

Yes and he eventually let the other guy past.... but I bet looking through your blue tinted glasses you conveniently forgot that, huh. You also conveniently forgot the car damage that Schumacher had which led to him having problems with the chicanes. Let me know when car damage becomes a punishable offence.


Make up your mind, which is it?

Either way ITV have always jumped on the slightest opportunity to criticise Schumacher and ALWAYS defend Alonso.

and now Alonso battling Heidfeld is "bad news for Alonso" You'll excuse me if I don't get the violins out as RACING IS HIS JOB!!!  

Two different instanses. Schu got penalised after quali. You do have one short memory.

Did you even wahtch todays race? Did you have the sound off? Or goes the commentry of the ITV crew in the one ear and immediately out the other?

Total waste of time discussing with you.

[a fan]

cavallino, on Sep 9 2006, 05:55 PM, said:

Are you ****ing retarded? Please find a track map, see where the 3rd sector at Monza starts, and then come back, then you can explain to me why Massa was 3 tenths slower on his last sector than a time he set earlier in the session.

i suggest you watch the video.massa was nowhere near enough to be blocked.looking at the qualifying lap were this was to have happened,alonso had to have been at least a half a second ahead of massa throughout the lap.i agree with fb,there was a fix,and how typical of all ms fans to think this happened.everything and anything will be done to secure a championship for the red team.it has been a common occurance for the last ten years.i'm glad schmucker is history!!!

[Jenson_Rules]

Im sorry tifosi but Alonso DID NOT block Massa, nor did he hinder his lap! I may grossly dislike Alonso but he is absolutely correct in saying F1 is no longer a sport. I find it quite unacceptable how Renault are now being penalised to allow Ferrari an advantage in the WCC which is ridiculous. Martin Brundle was absolutely right to criticise the penalty and question Max Mosley the way he did. Max clearly doesnt know what hes talking about since he has never driven an F1 car (as far as im aware) and every F1 driver minus Massa and Schumi snr have said Alonso did NOT block Massa and Alonso DID NOT hinder Massa's lap.

[pumpdoc]

Jenson_Rules!!!, on Sep 10 2006, 03:43 PM, said:

Im sorry tifosi but Alonso DID NOT block Massa, nor did he hinder his lap! I may grossly dislike Alonso but he is absolutely correct in saying F1 is no longer a sport. I find it quite unacceptable how Renault are now being penalised to allow Ferrari an advantage in the WCC which is ridiculous. Martin Brundle was absolutely right to criticise the penalty and question Max Mosley the way he did. Max clearly doesnt know what hes talking about since he has never driven an F1 car (as far as im aware) and every F1 driver minus Massa and Schumi snr have said Alonso did NOT block Massa and Alonso DID NOT hinder Massa's lap.

You are not getting any argument from true tifosi or any others with a brain, but then again this is F1. This was just as hair-brained as are many of the steward decisions have been this year, but in the end it does not matter.......kablammo!!!!!!..............

[Jenson_Rules]

Pumpdoc, the fact alonso's engine failed is not the point. At the end of the day he shouldn't have been penalised and the fact he was is unacceptable! I know you accept this but many others don't and won't because to them its not the sport that counts, it's Ferrari and Ferrari alone. Disgusting. If your a true F1 fan then the sport itself will always come first, drivers and teams are just a part of the sport many of us truly love!

[ipaneda]

pumpdoc, on Sep 11 2006, 12:51 AM, said:

You are not getting any argument from true tifosi or any others with a brain, but then again this is F1. This was just as hair-brained as are many of the steward decisions have been this year, but in the end it does not matter.......kablammo!!!!!!..............

It doesn´t matter? Preferences aside, who wouldn´t have enjoyed seeing FA challenging the leaders from 5th position. He made it to 3rd from 10th so imagine what a race we would have had... He probanly wouldnt have blown his engine either.

MS knows he needs all the help he can get. And, btw, what was up with Heidfeld. Incredible how he let MS through in the first corner; and everybody else until FA came up right behind him. It almost seemed as his sole intention in the race was to bloch FA.

[pumpdoc]

Jenson_Rules!!!, on Sep 10 2006, 03:55 PM, said:

Pumpdoc, the fact alonso's engine failed is not the point. At the end of the day he shouldn't have been penalised and the fact he was is unacceptable! I know you accept this but many others don't and won't because to them its not the sport that counts, it's Ferrari and Ferrari alone. Disgusting. If your a true F1 fan then the sport itself will always come first, drivers and teams are just a part of the sport many of us truly love!

I tend to disagree, the stewards for this race as for any other were 1/3 local 2/3 outside. Don't lay the blame for this on Ferrari, many drivers bitch about things to the stewards and get turned down.

ipaneda, on Sep 10 2006, 04:01 PM, said:

It doesn´t matter? Preferences aside, who wouldn´t have enjoyed seeing FA challenging the leaders from 5th position. He made it to 3rd from 10th so imagine what a race we would have had... He probanly wouldnt have blown his engine either.

MS knows he needs all the help he can get. And, btw, what was up with Heidfeld. Incredible how he let MS through in the first corner; and everybody else until FA came up right behind him. It almost seemed as his sole intention in the race was to bloch FA.

Just like Fisi went belly-up for Fernando?

[Jenson_Rules]

Pump mate I was actually criticising many ''false'' fans who support Ferrari JUST BECAUSE!

The fact the stewards penalised Alonso is beyond me really, I just don't understand it as from what I can see Massa WAS NOT blocked deliberately!

[pumpdoc]

Jenson_Rules!!!, on Sep 10 2006, 04:05 PM, said:

Pump mate I was actually criticising many ''false'' fans who support Ferrari JUST BECAUSE!

The fact the stewards penalised Alonso is beyond me really, I just don't understand it as from what I can see Massa WAS NOT blocked deliberately!

I'm not disagreeing with you..

[Jenson_Rules]

No I know your not, I was just replying to your last post!

[Lure]

My two cents is that this was a shockingly bad decision from the FIA. Alonso did not block Massa and they in my opinion have unfairly influenced the WDC.
Some of the comments made by Montoya when exiting the sport are ringing true in my ears. Bring back the racing and get rid of the politics!! If the sport continues to track down this political path and don't ensure fair racing and decision making I will begin to lose interest.

[ipaneda]

pumpdoc, on Sep 11 2006, 01:03 AM, said:

I tend to disagree, the stewards for this race as for any other were 1/3 local 2/3 outside. Don't lay the blame for this on Ferrari, many drivers bitch about things to the stewards and get turned down.
Just like Fisi went belly-up for Fernando?

But Fisi and Fernando are at least in the same team. But what was Heidfeld doing? Was there any comment to that effect on ITV?

[pumpdoc]

ipaneda, on Sep 10 2006, 04:12 PM, said:

But Fisi and Fernando are at least in the same team. But what was Heidfeld doing? Was there any comment to that effect on ITV?

Don't ge ITV, but on the speed tv coverage nothing was said......

[ipaneda]

pumpdoc, on Sep 11 2006, 01:15 AM, said:

Don't ge ITV, but on the speed tv coverage nothing was said......

Speed TV commentary is very politically correct; very american... European commentators are much more opinionated. Spanish TV said that Lauda had mentioned on RTL that the penalty on Alonso was completly uncalled for...

[stopkidding]

ipaneda, on Sep 10 2006, 04:01 PM, said:

And, btw, what was up with Heidfeld. Incredible how he let MS through in the first corner; and everybody else until FA came up right behind him. It almost seemed as his sole intention in the race was to bloch FA.

I am sure all the drivers at the race debrief were warned not to get in the way of Schumacher or Alonso in the opening laps. If you look at the first corner, heidfeld got ahead, but schumacher came up behind him and forced his way through Heidfeld knowing that heidfeld wouldn't be too aggressive against MS at Italy in front of the Tifosi. These people are human too and feel the pressure. I am sure Schumacher has raced in atleast a few races to know how to take advantage of such situations. Remember is quote earlier? "take all risks possible...."

Edited by stopkidding, 10 September 2006 - 11:50 PM.

[Ctrl300]

Lure, on Sep 11 2006, 09:11 AM, said:

My two cents is that this was a shockingly bad decision from the FIA. Alonso did not block Massa and they in my opinion have unfairly influenced the WDC.
Some of the comments made by Montoya when exiting the sport are ringing true in my ears. Bring back the racing and get rid of the politics!! If the sport continues to track down this political path and don't ensure fair racing and decision making I will begin to lose interest.

Absolutely correct. I don't think the sport can take many scandals before it loses all credibility.