General Music Thread

[Jenson_Rules 0]

On a different topic, are any of you off to any gigs soon? Im seeing girls aloud on the 26th at their sell out arena tour!!! Woop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[monza gorilla 1]

Dunno about Ben but I'm confused! Were these songs written before me and him were born, or am I just ignorant, or both?

Both, probably. About 1970, if that's any help.

[Jenson_Rules 0]

1988, the finest year ever, what with me being born and that!

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Look Ben, the idea with an album like 'Entroducing' is that you enjoy the sum of all its parts. You don't listen to clips and make judgements, the album isn't written to make that form of evaluation fair or justified. It's an album that can be enjoyed socially or in isolation. It covers a spectrum of moods from chill out to hard beats; it's an album for all occasions. It is ironic in places, spiritual and very clever. It uses samples that are relevant to my generation (30 somethings) and yet it caters for the teenager who wants to dance to it. I played it in front of my Grandad at a barbeque and he didn't bat an eye lid because it has the sound of social acceptance over generation spans.

If you do not like it, fair play to you. Why should you like it? Taste is a subjective argument. All i'm trying to suggest, as many are here is that instead of enjoying squirty cream and saying it's great because many people eat it, that you try double cream and take a bit of time to enjoy the subtle virtues and differences. This will sound patronising now, but often you will not appreciate the finer things in life until you get a little older and life gains more perspective. I remember the joy my father used to glean from sitting up to his dining room table on a sunday morning, eating his cooked breakfast and looking out into his garden at the birds feeding. 'What a bore' i used to think but now i find myself enjoying similar simple pleasures.

I think it important too for you to appreciate the root cause of so many peoples dislike for band like Girls Aloud. The girls can sing, they have sold plenty of CD's they are great to look at and they have a big following but they represent a small part of everything wrong with society today. They are throw away; they aren't here to stay because they are not significant, they don't improve or move the game on atall and the public grow more fickle by the day. We want the next big thing and we want it now. It wasn't always like this Ben. Bands were able to have an album that bombed and then come back. It made them what they were, it DEFINED them. These days bands are deliberately conceived to make huge ammounts of money quickly and are then destroyed when the next new band some along. There is something very wrong with that and that is why i despise them and the industry they feed.

Music is an ART. It should be protected and nurtured and not flogged to death for commercial means. People who have a true and deep appreciation of music understand this. Try and look at it this way Ben and you may begin to appreciate better music on a deeper level.

That's the last i'll say on the subject.

First time reading thru this thread....what a lovely lovely post..... exactly how I feel about music

[Max Mosley 2]

Both, probably. About 1970, if that's any help.

Cheers. So singing had already been invented back then? Wow! I learn stuff everyday on this site. When I grow up I wanna be smart. My mum says I can do it if I really try.

Well, I know you are not dumb but you can't understand why she walked like a woman and talked like a man

Well I left home just a week before

And I'd never ever kissed a woman before

But Lola smiled and took me by the hand

And said "dear boy I'm gonna make you a man"

It's a very nice song. I'm listening to it now!

Can I ask the more antique members of the forum, do you think popular music has become more offensive/controversial/dangerous today or not? It interests me because a lot of imho talented modern artists are criticised for this, but there are plenty of controversially themed songs like this from the old days too.

[pabloh20 1]

Cheers. So singing had already been invented back then? Wow! I learn stuff everyday on this site. When I grow up I wanna be smart. My mum says I can do it if I really try.

Well I left home just a week before

And I'd never ever kissed a woman before

But Lola smiled and took me by the hand

And said "dear boy I'm gonna make you a man"

It's a very nice song. I'm listening to it now!

Can I ask the more antique members of the forum, do you think popular music has become more offensive/controversial/dangerous today or not? It interests me because a lot of imho talented modern artists are criticised for this, but there are plenty of controversially themed songs like this from the old days too.

Our Mum's always tell us white lies so that we don't feel so bad - that's why she said you're S-P-E-C-I-A-L!

With regards to offensiveness - well it's the same, just different! What society classed as offensive then, probably isn't offensive now, but at the time it was controversial. For example, broadcasters were banned from showing Elvis from the waist down, back in the late 50s, because his movements were considered vulgar and offensive. Did it even raise an eyebrow less than 10yrs later - not a chance. However, I would imagine certain music was considered more dangerous back then because these days we've seen it all, done it all, go the tshirt!

[dribbler 6]

Can I ask the more antique members of the forum, do you think popular music has become more offensive/controversial/dangerous today or not? It interests me because a lot of imho talented modern artists are criticised for this, but there are plenty of controversially themed songs like this from the old days too.

I don't think music has become more controversial or offensive today. In fact, using Paul's example of Elvis and what was deemed controversial back then, music is probably less controversial than what it was. Society has become far more liberal and tolerant.

By the way, i hope you don't mind hearing my views on this. You asked for antique opinion and i am not really qualified, as one of the dashingly youthfull members of the forum.

[pabloh20 1]

I don't think music has become more controversial or offensive today. In fact, using Paul's example of Elvis and what was deemed controversial back then, music is probably less controversial than what it was. Society has become far more liberal and tolerant.

By the way, i hope you don't mind hearing my views on this. You asked for antique opinion and i am not really qualified, as one of the dashingly youthfull members of the forum.

But you look old, Steve, so it's ok!

[Autumnpuma 0]

But you look old, Steve, so it's ok!

Steve can't be old because he and I are the same age...and I'm a spring chicken. Or is that a sprung chicken? Too much choking...

Anyway, listening to Rainbow (Gates of Babylon is fabulous) and Gnarls Barkley. On shuffle. I rule.

EDIT: Murray, music is probably more offensive now than in yesteryear; every generation the bar raises. For instance, my Mum feared the music of Dio and Ozzy that I was listening to back in the early 80's but today that music is very tame compared to the comtemporary stuff. If the bar does indeed raise each generation, an interesting question would be "how close are we to the limits"? How much more can we all be offended? Are future generations going to be deprived of cutting-edge music that truly offends the previous generations?

[Max Mosley 2]

Our Mum's always tell us white lies so that we don't feel so bad - that's why she said you're S-P-E-C-I-A-L!

You mean she was lying? Phew. When she said I was special it actually freaked me out a little. I wanted a Dad like all the other kids...

By the way, i hope you don't mind hearing my views on this. You asked for antique opinion and i am not really qualified, as one of the dashingly youthfull members of the forum.

I know - you put me to shame, what with not being a couch potato and all.

Steve can't be old because he and I are the same age...and I'm a spring chicken. Or is that a sprung chicken? Too much choking...

I read recently that in Elizabethan England they thought that every orgasm a man had shortened his life by a day. Hence "th'expense of spirit in a waste of shame/ is lust in action" from Shakespeare's great sonnet 129*. "Spirit" meaning a man's soul (so by having sex you "spend" you soul by shortening it's lifetime by a day), and his semen (his "vital spirit")! Note the pun on "waist of shame" - perhaps he was screwing a prostitute at the time.

EDIT: Murray, music is probably more offensive now than in yesteryear; every generation the bar raises. For instance, my Mum feared the music of Dio and Ozzy that I was listening to back in the early 80's but today that music is very tame compared to the comtemporary stuff. If the bar does indeed raise each generation, an interesting question would be "how close are we to the limits"? How much more can we all be offended? Are future generations going to be deprived of cutting-edge music that truly offends the previous generations?

Yeah I get the impression every generation has to be able to rebel in some way. Our generation is so liberal that perhaps our kids will annoy us by being morally uptight - you know, against drugs, against casual sex, maybe even non-violent. Dear God! Then the little freaks would really worry me.

*(I think this is very musical in rhythm:)

Th'expense of spirit in a waste of shame

Is lust in action: and till action, lust

Is perjured, murderous, bloody, full of blame,

Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust;

Enjoyed no sooner but despised straight;

Past reason hunted; and no sooner had,

Past reason hated, as a swallowed bait,

On purpose laid to make the taker mad.

Mad in pursuit and in possession so;

Had, having, and in quest to have extreme;

A bliss in proof, and proved, a very woe;

Before, a joy proposed; behind a dream.

All this the world well knows; yet none knows well

To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell.

[Quiet One 15]

You mean she was lying? Phew. When she said I was special it actually freaked me out a little. I wanted a Dad like all the other kids...

I know - you put me to shame, what with not being a couch potato and all.

I read recently that in Elizabethan England they thought that every orgasm a man had shortened his life by a day. Hence "th'expense of spirit in a waste of shame/ is lust in action" from Shakespeare's great sonnet 129*. "Spirit" meaning a man's soul (so by having sex you "spend" you soul by shortening it's lifetime by a day), and his semen (his "vital spirit")! Note the pun on "waist of shame" - perhaps he was screwing a prostitute at the time.

Yeah I get the impression every generation has to be able to rebel in some way. Our generation is so liberal that perhaps our kids will annoy us by being morally uptight - you know, against drugs, against casual sex, maybe even non-violent. Dear God! Then the little freaks would really worry me.

*(I think this is very musical in rhythm:)

Th'expense of spirit in a waste of shame

Is lust in action: and till action, lust

Is perjured, murderous, bloody, full of blame,

Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust;

Enjoyed no sooner but despised straight;

Past reason hunted; and no sooner had,

Past reason hated, as a swallowed bait,

On purpose laid to make the taker mad.

Mad in pursuit and in possession so;

Had, having, and in quest to have extreme;

A bliss in proof, and proved, a very woe;

Before, a joy proposed; behind a dream.

All this the world well knows; yet none knows well

To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell.

My reply...in my blog

[Autumnpuma 0]

I read recently that in Elizabethan England they thought that every orgasm a man had shortened his life by a day

I would be dead four years by now.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Steve can't be old because he and I are the same age...and I'm a spring chicken. Or is that a sprung chicken? Too much choking...

Anyway, listening to Rainbow (Gates of Babylon is fabulous) and Gnarls Barkley. On shuffle. I rule.

EDIT: Murray, music is probably more offensive now than in yesteryear; every generation the bar raises. For instance, my Mum feared the music of Dio and Ozzy that I was listening to back in the early 80's but today that music is very tame compared to the comtemporary stuff. If the bar does indeed raise each generation, an interesting question would be "how close are we to the limits"? How much more can we all be offended? Are future generations going to be deprived of cutting-edge music that truly offends the previous generations?

It comes down to the "architect" of music and it's influence, you will know what I'm talking about Mike. Music speaks directly to the soul, it's influence is phenominal.....

[Max Mosley 2]

I would be dead four years by now.

There's no need to brag, Mike! We're all very jealous of your happy childhood in the good old days:

On his daughters now fatherly doting,

He once was a Playmate-noting,

Ecstatic, pubescent Yank

On work experience at the sperm bank.

If they only knew that he

[pabloh20 1]

I would be dead four years by now.

I will be living until I'm 124......and a half.

[Autumnpuma 0]

It comes down to the "architect" of music and it's influence, you will know what I'm talking about Mike. Music speaks directly to the soul, it's influence is phenominal.....

Indeed.

There's no need to brag, Mike! We're all very jealous of your happy childhood in the good old days:

On his daughters now fatherly doting,

He once was a Playmate-noting,

Ecstatic, pubescent Yank

On work experience at the sperm bank.

If they only knew that he

[dribbler 6]

You mean she was lying? Phew. When she said I was special it actually freaked me out a little. I wanted a Dad like all the other kids...

I know - you put me to shame, what with not being a couch potato and all.

I read recently that in Elizabethan England they thought that every orgasm a man had shortened his life by a day. Hence "th'expense of spirit in a waste of shame/ is lust in action" from Shakespeare's great sonnet 129*. "Spirit" meaning a man's soul (so by having sex you "spend" you soul by shortening it's lifetime by a day), and his semen (his "vital spirit")! Note the pun on "waist of shame" - perhaps he was screwing a prostitute at the time.

Yeah I get the impression every generation has to be able to rebel in some way. Our generation is so liberal that perhaps our kids will annoy us by being morally uptight - you know, against drugs, against casual sex, maybe even non-violent. Dear God! Then the little freaks would really worry me.

*(I think this is very musical in rhythm:)

Th'expense of spirit in a waste of shame

Is lust in action: and till action, lust

Is perjured, murderous, bloody, full of blame,

Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust;

Enjoyed no sooner but despised straight;

Past reason hunted; and no sooner had,

Past reason hated, as a swallowed bait,

On purpose laid to make the taker mad.

Mad in pursuit and in possession so;

Had, having, and in quest to have extreme;

A bliss in proof, and proved, a very woe;

Before, a joy proposed; behind a dream.

All this the world well knows; yet none knows well

To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell.

What a highly enjoyable post.

[Max Mosley 2]

Cheers Steve! It's not as good as your posts here though. You really know your music and are passionate about it. Btw I found the Gravediggaz's 6 Feet Deep album that you recommended a while back. It is hilarious and "deeply clever" as you mentioned:

Six f.ucking devils stepped up playing brave God

Had the f.ucking nerve to try and enter my grave yard

I'm the Ryzarector*, be my sacrifice:

Commit suicide and I'll bring you back to life.

The first was convinced

Stuck a water hose in his mouth at full blast so his head can explode

Second said hmmmm that's good but I can top it

Put an axe up to his head and then he chopped it

Blood shot out in every direction

The rest didn't know what to do, I made suggestions

Put a slug in your mug, overdose on a drug,

Wet your hair, stick a knife in the plug

Or be like Richard Pryor set your balls on fire.

Better yet go hang yourself with a barbed wire.

Three and Four fell deep into spell and

Ran to the zoo, locked themselves in a lion's den.

Number Five said it ain't worth being alive,

Smoked a dust suede, mixed it with cyanide.

The only one to escape was number Six.

He went home,

Sat in the tub and slit his wrists.

Yeah, more graves to dig. Goodbye.

There's no need to cry...

... cause we all die.

*Spoken by the reaper rapper RZA.

Thanks very much for the tip! I need to listen more to the Wu-Tang Clan, Cypress Hill. Atm I don't know much about them really. Have you heard of the rappers K'naan, Tumi and the Volume, Baba Brinkman or Lupe Fiasco? You probably have, but if not and you like rap, you might like them too. There's a lot of good rap music like the Gravediggaz but it's hard to find now with all the rubbish like 50 Cent we get on MTV.

[dribbler 6]

Cheers Steve! It's not as good as your posts here though. You really know your music and are passionate about it. Btw I found the Gravediggaz's 6 Feet Deep album that you recommended a while back. It is hilarious and "deeply clever" as you mentioned:

Six f.ucking devils stepped up playing brave God

Had the f.ucking nerve to try and enter my grave yard

I'm the Ryzarector*, be my sacrifice:

Commit suicide and I'll bring you back to life.

The first was convinced

Stuck a water hose in his mouth at full blast so his head can explode

Second said hmmmm that's good but I can top it

Put an axe up to his head and then he chopped it

Blood shot out in every direction

The rest didn't know what to do, I made suggestions

Put a slug in your mug, overdose on a drug,

Wet your hair, stick a knife in the plug

Or be like Richard Pryor set your balls on fire.

Better yet go hang yourself with a barbed wire.

Three and Four fell deep into spell and

Ran to the zoo, locked themselves in a lion's den.

Number Five said it ain't worth being alive,

Smoked a dust suede, mixed it with cyanide.

The only one to escape was number Six.

He went home,

Sat in the tub and slit his wrists.

Yeah, more graves to dig. Goodbye.

There's no need to cry...

... cause we all die.

*Spoken by the reaper rapper RZA.

Thanks very much for the tip! I need to listen more to the Wu-Tang Clan, Cypress Hill. Atm I don't know much about them really. Have you heard of the rappers K'naan, Tumi and the Volume, Baba Brinkman or Lupe Fiasco? You probably have, but if not and you like rap, you might like them too. There's a lot of good rap music like the Gravediggaz but it's hard to find now with all the rubbish like 50 Cent we get on MTV.

Excellent! I'm glad you have found the Gravediggaz. Your Nan won't lke them but i just find them so lyrically colourful. The lyrics to 'Diary Of A Madman' are my favourite. I haven't heard of the others you mention, i'll go check them out.

Diary Of A Madman;

lady [They killed my baby..oh god they killed my baby]

judge [Order in the court]

lady

judge [i said order in the court now! Now, before this

court passes judgement, will the four defendents

please rise and approuch the bench]

gravedigga [Trust me guys, it's all under control

the judge is my uncle, he'll take the

insanity plea...oh yeah, don't foget

my retained balance.]

judge [Okay, I understand you guys are pleading insanity

claiming demonic spirits possessed you to do

these hidous murders. Can you please explain

to the court how these so called spirits made

you into these RAVING MADMEN?!?!]

Verse One: Scientific Shabazz

Be a witness, as I excersize my exorcism

The evil that lurks within the sin, the terrorism

Possessed by evil spirits, voices from the dead

I come forth with gravediggaz in a head full of dread

I've been examined ever since I was seamen

They took a sonogram and seen the image of a demon

At birth the nurses surrounded my with needles

and drugged me all up with the deseases of evil

Grew up in hell, now I dwell, in an Islamic Temple

I'm fighting a holy war in the mental

Look deep into my eyes, you'll see visions of death

Possessed by homicide is what I'm obsessed

Giving niggaz brain dimples

Dragging they asses on my hook by they temples

The cause of death is unknown to the cops

Cause when I kill them, I'm not leavin one element to autopse

First I'll assasinate em

And them I'll cremate them

and take all of his f**king ashes and evaporate em

Or creep through the graveyard and hunt down your tombstone

Dig up your skeleton and stomp all your f**king bones

You try to haunt me nigga, I aint trying to hear it

Buck Buck Buck, I'll give your as* a holy spririt.

gravedigga [stressed full, try to avoid all impure

thoughts. I am loosing my mind . . .]

judge [Can you please explain to the court when these

problems first began?]

Verse Two: Prince Rakeem/Ryzarector

The year 84, November, day 10

Overwhelmed by the wicked inspirations of an evil gen

I realize my ideas has spawned for 400 years

Of blood sweat and tears

I saw the tourture brutal murder of my father

So my brain became stained with the horror

I'm having reoccuring nightmares

Of being soaking wet, strapped down to the electric chair

I got tackled with handcuffs

And shackled in restraint

At the bottom of a holy tabernacle

They gave me nothing to eat for two weeks

And sewed my eye lids open so I couldn't sleep

About to die from thirst, that's when the minister

quinched my jaws with a cold glass of vinegar

Upon my wounds they seasoned my with salt

And nailed my hands feet to the form of the cross

AHH!! I cry

As the blood drips inside of my eye

refusing to die

Visions of hell tormented my face

So I chewed my f**king arm off and made an escape.

guy [ oh no, me mataron mi amigo, hijo de la gran puta

esos cogines me mataron mi amigo que voy a cerca

carajo, cono]

judge [ Calm down people, please calm down

Let us please procede with the

defendents explanation ]

Verse Three: Killer Priest

Enta the realms of understanding

And take good heed

And you could bleed

While I'm standing

Three stages of pure hell

Justications of red cells

*SHH* rain drops hits the pelv

Path is dull and narrow

You're stalked by a shadow

I pierced your skull with a f**king arrow

So narrow, only one could enter at a time

Stuck in the center, read the signs

A thousand doors to choose

You better hurry

Don't stop, sh*t is getting hot as a pot of curry

On your right side there's fire

On you left, deep waters

Watch your step, it's deep waters!

What's that coming through the floor?

It's a claw

*PSSH* took his f**king as* to the f**king core

(AHHH!!)

Verse Four: Fruitkwan/Gatekeeper

Stroll thruogh the dark conditions

I stone you till I see sparks of friction

I chop ya like a coal miner

Then combine the drug

And mix it with your blood

Some more

I give you some more

And watch you crawl

Guts hit the floor

Worms that dig your pores

I trick ya, ha, then I'm quick to syringe

Deep into my thoughts and bust out your skin

You scream, portraits of inflictable pain

You can't stand

You're up to your hands in quick sand

You're sinking and sinking deep into the earth

Thoughts was possessed since the first day of birth

My mental says it's my turn to possess the matta

Stab you with a dagga

Of Jacob's Ladder

Thoughts become shattered, confused, and tragic

Fiery thoughts of Gravediggaz . . .

judge [ GUILTY, next case. ]

[cavallino 2]

Just got myself one of those mp3 player thingies, and am looking for new stuff to listen to. They're really awesome, they're like cd players except they're smaller and can take multiple albums if you've ever heard of them (You have? Oh. Tou have one? You all have one? Had one for years? Ah well )

Current list of stuff I am busy discovering or rediscovering

Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon

The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses

Radiohead - OK Computer

The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers

ABBA Guilty pleasure. Pure pop, but pure pop perfection, musically oh so perfect.

Need suggestions, take the above stuff as a guide

[cavallino 2]

I completety forgot, Beatles - Love :wub: Genius, sheer bloody genius.

[Quiet One 15]

Just got myself one of those mp3 player thingies, and am looking for new stuff to listen to. They're really awesome, they're like cd players except they're smaller and can take multiple albums if you've ever heard of them (You have? Oh. Tou have one? You all have one? Had one for years? Ah well )

Current list of stuff I am busy discovering or rediscovering

Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon

The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses

Radiohead - OK Computer

The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers

ABBA Guilty pleasure. Pure pop, but pure pop perfection, musically oh so perfect.

Need suggestions, take the above stuff as a guide

Not much of a help for a guide, except that you are doing your selections on old music by the book...Those are all classics, get yousrelf some Led Zeppelin and you are good to go!

Oh, and one more thing:

ABBA?

Yeah, I like them too

[Max Mosley 2]

As do I.

[monza gorilla 1]

Just got myself one of those mp3 player thingies, and am looking for new stuff to listen to. They're really awesome, they're like cd players except they're smaller and can take multiple albums if you've ever heard of them (You have? Oh. Tou have one? You all have one? Had one for years? Ah well )

Current list of stuff I am busy discovering or rediscovering

Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon

The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses

Radiohead - OK Computer

The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers

ABBA Guilty pleasure. Pure pop, but pure pop perfection, musically oh so perfect.

Need suggestions, take the above stuff as a guide

Try "Amused to Death" by Roger Waters. I think it's your cup of tea.

[pabloh20 1]

Just got myself one of those mp3 player thingies, and am looking for new stuff to listen to. They're really awesome, they're like cd players except they're smaller and can take multiple albums if you've ever heard of them (You have? Oh. Tou have one? You all have one? Had one for years? Ah well )

Current list of stuff I am busy discovering or rediscovering

Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon

The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses

Radiohead - OK Computer

The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers

ABBA Guilty pleasure. Pure pop, but pure pop perfection, musically oh so perfect.

Need suggestions, take the above stuff as a guide

I completety forgot, Beatles - Love :wub: Genius, sheer bloody genius.

Run Devil Run - Paul McCartney and Dave Gilmour together, with a bit of Mick Green thrown in. Just a thought.

On a side note I really must listen to some more Pink Floyd - I got put off them by having to watch The Wall in school in General Studies when I was very early into my Blues phase and so it didn't really appeal at the time.