Is Webber A Jerk?

[KoolMonkey 0]

JV never got the credit he deserved for sticking it out in the hell that became BAR. BAR was created solely around him to begin with. The 04 BAR was a good car, but that car was made in 03. They make a car a whole year ahead of when it's going to race. So JV had direct involvment and input in the 04 car, although he sadly never got to race the fruit of all the hard work and hellish political s##t he went through. DR is a complete jerk to have even brought up the topic that JV should have taken a pay cut. They signed him to a contract. He worked his a## off for them, and then they turn around and say hey man, we dont want to pay you this much money. Sound's very familiar to me with regards to the recent Button problem. Fact is JV had more input and feedback invested into the 04 BAR then Button or any other BAR driver did, yet DR and even Button take credit for BAR's amazing turn around. It's not because JV left BAR that they became better, they became better because of JV.

[Chris Strange 0]

I thought the post was about MW ? Well as nobody answers the question I will. Yes Mark Webber is a Jerk and he's proving it almost every day.

[Shadow 0]

Did anyone mention that it was JV who pushed for the michelin tires for BAR. They take his ideas and push him out and Webber here says BAR devloped after he went out. Talk sense.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Let's face it Mark Webber is the most over-rated driver in the world. He's never proved anything. His team-mates have been Alex Yoong, Pizzonia, Wilson and Klien. He's beaten them, but so what? The highest he's finished is 5th. I hope he gets thrashed next year by (hopefully) Heidfeld so everyone can see how normal he is

[cougar 0]

I thought i would have a read of this topic whilst having breakfast and it seems to ebb and flow like a tide. (facts) I follow MW and i like a lot of people think this will be the year to find out if he is fact any good! I havent seen even his supporters say he is a great driver. (fact) pizza boy is the one who originally bought this topic up earlier in the year saying he was given inferior equipment at JAG. (fact) even after this comment experts with more knowledge than some of the people on this forum ie HEAD, WILLIAMS and MICHAEL chose to go after MW turning down not one but many prosepctive drivers inc JV. (fact) MW has been consistantly quicker than pizza boy after only a few weeks of testing. HIEDFELD has been quicker than him. Even the WILLIAMS team are now thinking the boy isnt up to it. Tell me out of all this who will be the LOSER it wont be MW can you say the same thing about AP. Most drivers arent the best of mates. Theyre are paid to win races by any costs and that includes mind games. (fact)Who said testing means something. If I remeber correctly BAR and SATO were the quickest in testing last year. Where did they finish up in the season. Lets wait and see before we have an opinion on a driver when its his first year in a decent car hasnt even begun. If at the end of the year hes done no good then get into him and I may agree!

Good morning.

[Senna 0]

Let's face it Mark Webber is the most over-rated driver in the world. He's never proved anything. His team-mates have been Alex Yoong, Pizzonia, Wilson and Klien. He's beaten them, but so what? The highest he's finished is 5th. I hope he gets thrashed next year by (hopefully) Heidfeld so everyone can see how normal he is

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With BMW unsurprisingly giving their backing to Heidfeld it seems likely that he will get the seat in 05. As for MW, let

[Lure 0]

Is Webber a Jerk?? The answer is no!!!! Every interview I've seen of him, he always conducts himself in a professional, open and courteuos manner. People please!! Don't always believe everything you read in print!!

As for his specific comments on the so called 'Pizza boy'. i say good on him. Mark obviously feels he beat Pizzaboy fair and square at Jag and was sick of hearing the excuses about the car. From what I saw He tore Pizzaboy appart on the track and now he's doing it the press.

I agree with those who who say Heinfeld, i reckon he like Mark deserves a shot in a good car....

[webber 0]

I thought the post was about MW ? Well as nobody answers the question I will. Yes Mark Webber is a Jerk and he's proving it almost every day.

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hang on let me get this straight your calling mark Webber a Jerk because for the first time he said what he was thinking. then why do you not call JPM or R$ or every person that has eaver lived a Jerk as well. and tell me what you mean by hes proving it almost every day because i haven see MW in the News for about 3, 4 days so unless you know MW then your just talking s##t.

[webber 0]

No it is not strange, BAR with more reliability and Michelins would have been a very good car in 2003, in 2004 they got both, it was hardly sudden.  So it was not JV left so they got good.

About the 2 is more impressive than 10, what do you mean the same team, well they are in name only.  eg Williams were lucky in the mid '70s to even qualify, just a year or two later ('79) they won a number of races and the Championships the following year.  That does not make the struggles to qualify any less just because is was 'the same team'.  Things change, you had better learn that before you grow up.

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hay dude do you think that im 2 years old or somthing. and your right things do change thats why BAR finshed 2nd in the WCC this year and not 5th or 6th. Your right nojv JB should have finshed 1st in more than one race but the fact is that he did not but do you thunk that JV chould have finshed first in any racers this year. now Let me just check somthing who desinged the 2003 car and who desinged the 2004 car and who was the team boss in both years and also who made the engines now if im right they are the same people for both years and in that case i whould think that it was the same team by more than just name.

[hollywood2003 0]

I don't think Webber is a jerk, just because he is honest enough to speak his mind. So many driver are terribly clinical and neasured when with the press, its good to have someone gutsy enough to be truthful and let his feelings knows. Okay he could have been a little more diplomatic rather than calling Pizzaboy a "loser", but then again Pizzaboy did give Jag a real spray about being unfairly treated and after a while it appears than webbo had had a gutful and let it rip.

I just hope he now knuckles down and gets some pace from the Williams and puts his driving ability ahead of the rest and shows what he can do next year.

Go Williams!!!

[Sato 0]

Howcome some people say MW has proved nothing? Hes been in s##t cars you can't win races in s##t cars people. And someone said his best finish is 5th....i say to that, his best car was a jaguar.....

If the williams is decent this year Mark will go great and anyone who is stupid enuff to say he isn't any good will be eating humble pie along with pizza boy if he gets the seat.

[KoolMonkey 0]

Howcome some people say MW has proved nothing? Hes been in s##t cars you can't win races in s##t cars people. And someone said his best finish is 5th....i say to that, his best car was a jaguar.....

If the williams is decent this year Mark will go great and anyone who is stupid enuff to say he isn't any good will be eating humble pie along with pizza boy if he gets the seat.

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Of course his best car was the JAG, but he got that 5th in a Minardi, so with a much better car he could still not beat his 5th place in his first F1 race (I think). His whole reputation is based on that 1 result. 5th place in a Minardi is fantastic, but that race was unlike many others in that half the field went out on the first lap.

Don't misunderstand me. I have liked Webber alot, but feel he has become very arrogant of late. Sometimes when people are very successful and win, they can become arrogant. But he hasn't achieved anything yet. So what happens if he wins something. Webber needs find some humility and let his actions on the track speak for himself.

[Sato 0]

Of course his best car was the JAG, but he got that 5th in a Minardi, so with a much better car he could still not beat his 5th place in his first F1 race (I think).  His whole reputation is based on that 1 result.  5th place in a Minardi is fantastic, but that race was unlike many others in that half the field went out on the first lap.

Don't misunderstand me.  I have liked Webber alot, but feel he has become very arrogant of late.  Sometimes when people are very successful and win, they can become arrogant.  But he hasn't achieved anything yet.  So what happens if he wins something.  Webber needs find some humility and let his actions on the track speak for himself.

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Your a ****ing idiot.....

[hollywood2003 0]

aka Jordan-rule...

I don't think Webber has become arrogant, only the only day he was quoted as saying, "I have done nothing in F1, when I look at Sir Jack Brabham and Alan Jones, both Formula 1 champions, I can only hope to emulate them in some small way, I have so far to go and I am still learning every day"

Is that arrogant??

I think not!!

[KoolMonkey 0]

Your a ****ing idiot.....

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Show some intelligence and keep the name calling out of this. Clearly you had nothing to say and resulted to swearing. Everyone should get a chance to post their say on here without being criticized for it. Everyone else manages to keep it cordial and civilised so why can't you.

[Sato 0]

I resulted to that, because i can see your never going to understand it, hence calling you a idiot.

His career is hardly based on his 5th placing in 2002. Its based on what he did that year as a rookie, how he then wnet to jag and scored points in a car he sometimes shouldn't of, and on a solid 2004 with some good qualifying and solid races with points. Its hardly based on a bit of luck and effort for a 5th place in australia in 2002. If you can see what he has done after that as good then you have the highest standards in the world of F1. Now you'll come back and say something along the lines of His rating is based on his th placing in australia.....even though i clearly pointed out other things it is based on and why he deserves at shot at williams, espicially with a decent team mate so they can challenge each other.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Webber is a jerk, although maybe there's better words for it. Only the idiots of f1 criticise each other in the media, mainly Michael Schumacher who always used to moan when Hill or Villeneuve or DC beat him. Now Webber is showing that he's pretty pathetic too. As for his results, some good qualifying performances but thats it

[Sato 0]

Webber is a jerk, although maybe there's better words for it. Only the idiots of f1 criticise each other in the media, mainly Michael Schumacher who always used to moan when Hill or Villeneuve or DC beat him. Now Webber is showing that he's pretty pathetic too. As for his results, some good qualifying performances but thats it

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Then you must think Pizza boy is pathetic, he was busy critsizing Jaguar because he can't drive for s##t. But all of a sudden webber has a few words supposedly and its being a jerk. Its abit of a double standard IMO. If pizza boy can bag jaguar then why can't webber give alil back?

[Shadow 0]

Thing is Webber should'nt have used offensive lang in front of the media. He can say that he did not recieve a superior car but he mus'nt call Pizza boy a liar etc..

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Pizzonia shouldnt even be in f1, he's about as useful as Pedro Diniz. Him and Webber are both pathetic. If I was Frank Williams I'd have DC and Davidson!! No jerks there

[Sato 0]

haha DC. His last race for williams ended into the pit wall, i wuldn't take that moron back, but davidson is well worth a shot, too bad they can't get him.

[Sato 0]

Thing is Webber should'nt have used offensive lang in front of the media. He can say that he did not recieve a superior car but he mus'nt call Pizza boy a liar etc..

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If he says he didn't recieve a better car, then he is calling pizza w#nker a liar anyway, whats the difference?

[Shadow 0]

It is the way you say it. that is the difference

[Sato 0]

Meh, i don't get people you all have weird quircks and standards at times. One thing is fine yet another very similiar thing is completely wrong. Anyway Webber will let his driving do plenty more talking in 05 agains whoever his teammate is.

[KoolMonkey 0]

I resulted to that, because i can see your never going to understand it, hence calling you a idiot.

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Very feeble Sato. You wouldn't last 1min in a proper debate. If you have a rebuttal then spit it out. If you don't then shut the F**K up. So I and anyone else who doesn't see it yourway is told to basically f**k off. You are the true idiot my friend for showing your indeptitude in not keeping yourself composed. The conversation was going fine until you decided to inform us otherwise. Post your opinion but keep the personal s##t out of it. I'm an idiot only in your small mind. Educate yourself and understand other people will have differing oppinions. If you can't handle that, then p**s off, cause I'm not going anywhere.

Webber was reprimanded by Williams for his comments. Furthermore, I am not a Pizza Boy supporter. But I also believe he was treated unfairly at JAG and I'm not the only one to think this. Webber may not have been aware of this, but that doesn't mean it didn't occur. What reason did he have to open his mouth and kick someone while he was down. He drive was seccure. He is no doubt in a very comfortable contract, so why pick on the little guy. That shows no class. Webber prob will always be a quicker driver than Pizzonia. But that doesn't mean Pizzonia was lying when he said he was treated unfairly at JAG. Heck just recently, the same JAG aka Red Bull were going to test the driver Wirdheim. But Wirdheim pulled out after finding out they were going to put him in a slow car to make the other drivers, Liuzzi in particular, look good. It's not completely out of the question that JAG did mess around with Pizzonia.