Best Drivers Top 5

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Thats pretty funny thankyou nice to see you have a sense of humour

[kiko01 0]

If Alonso was going to be the next king of f1, he would have won Monaco 2004, not Trulli who apparently is much worse. Alonso makes too many silly mistakes. His only decent performance in 2004 was in France.

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Yes of course, using your logic if JB would be that good he would have won some races... (you know i think JB is good but your theory about FA is rubbish)

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I have to admit, it is hard to defend the fact that Button didn't win a race in 2004. He was clearly unlucky not to win on a few occasions, and I'm sure he'll make up for this next year. But Fernando Alonso is praised a lot more than Button is, and I don't understand why. He's nothing special at all, I really do think Jarno Trulli is better. I'm looking forward to the inevitable fall-out between Alonso & Briatore, Alonso will leave or get sacked, and no-one will want him

[ksajoe 0]

I strongly suspect that if FA was in the BAR last year he would have managed minimum 1 win with the car ( I think three would not have been out of the question). Button is a very talented driver but his killer instinct is suspect. He needs to work on that - no one is going to gift you a win, you have to do what you have to do to get it!!!

[Jenson_Rules 0]

yeh but fernando had the 3rd best car, and for a highly praised driver he never managed to pull out a win, or never even got close, and i dont think he would have won in the BAR because schumacher really was pretty much unstoppable, the only times Button could have wopn was the races schumi didnt win, monza his car was too slow, china he was close but not close enough as his engine wasnt giving him top speed cos im sure he was actually pushing, i missed suzuka cos i was ill in bed asleep (schumi won that though) and brazil he looked very racey but his car packed in after 3 laps (or 4?). I think he could have won a few others, like monaco, but its difficult to overtake there, almost impossible, so could only have jumped past trulli in pit stops. he looked rcey in barcelona but messed up in quali. didnt have the speed in canada, retired in usa, and wudnt have been able to do anything because team orders kept them out during safety car when they should have pitted. and so on, germany he had an engine changed but looked the fastest man out there.

He was just highly unlucky and didnt quite have the speed in some races. Howvere i agree its very difficult to defend him because he should have won at least one but tahts just the way it is!

[kiko01 0]

yeh but fernando had the 3rd best car, and for a highly praised driver he never managed to pull out a win, or never even got close, and i dont think he would have won in the BAR because schumacher really was pretty much unstoppable, the only times Button could have wopn was the races schumi didnt win, monza his car was too slow, china he was close but not close enough as his engine wasnt giving him top speed cos im sure he was actually pushing, i missed suzuka cos i was ill in bed asleep (schumi won that though) and brazil he looked very racey but his car packed in after 3 laps (or 4?). I think he could have won a few others, like monaco, but its difficult to overtake there, almost impossible, so could only have jumped past trulli in pit stops. he looked rcey in barcelona but messed up in quali. didnt have the speed in canada, retired in usa, and wudnt have been able to do anything because team orders kept them out during safety car when they should have pitted. and so on, germany he had an engine changed but looked the fastest man out there.

He was just highly unlucky and didnt quite have the speed in some races. Howvere i agree its very difficult to defend him because he should have won at least one but tahts just the way it is!

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FA has been close to win this season (as close as JB was) but he had no luck at all...

[Jenson_Rules 0]

other than magny-cours where has he been close? I think my post made sum very valid points in JB's favour and explains why he didnt win pretty much wen he cudda done!

[nichosnz 0]

But Fernando Alonso is praised a lot more than Button is

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Not on this Forum he isn't, it has become a 'Button is the king of the world' forum.

[Jenson_Rules 0]

funny how pretty much 2/3 people can do that, i regard it mroe being a button/Jv forum! with occasional other people! lol

[nojvnof1 0]

nah, it's a button/jv/sato/ms forum here I'd say. As for Alonso, the facts speak for themselves, FA 1 win, JB 0 wins, luck or no luck, Alonso has a race win, Jense doesn't, and if we're going on the popular belief held by the Button fans that stats mean everything ie. JB beating JV in '03 cos he was ahead on points discounting all the bad luck JV had in '03, then surely you must accept Alonso is the better driver as he has won a race, when in the 4th best car (behind Ferrari, Williams and McLaren) luck or no luck. Funny how ALL the new hot shots (Bar Webber - but he hasn't really had a good car yet) have won a race, but Jense hasn't. Maybe this year, maybe not, time will tell.

As for Alonso leaving Renault, no chance. If anyone will leave it'll be Fisi. He's regretting moving to the team as the car is based wholly around FA's driving style whilst the team are well behind Alonso, not Fisi.

[Sato 0]

Its minly JB Vs JV, then Sato being bagged, then MS stuff.

[kiko01 0]

other than magny-cours where has he been close? I think my post made sum very valid points in JB's favour and explains why he didnt win pretty much wen he cudda done!

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Other than magny cours? What about Spa, Indianapolis and Monaco... FA have allready won one race but in this two years he hadn

[kiko01 0]

Not on this Forum he isn't, it has become a 'Button is the king of the world' forum.

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Hi nichosnz!!!

JB isn

[kiko01 0]

Other than magny cours? What about Spa, Indianapolis and Monaco... FA have allready won one race but in this two years he hadn

[Senna 0]

FA was quicker than JT at Monaco and I think he would have won had it not been for that line in the tunnel!

[kiko01 0]

FA was quicker than JT at Monaco and I think he would have won had it not been for that line in the tunnel!

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Alonso

[Sato 0]

I'll think you'll find that 5 laps would of given him chance even if he was to of pitted first. But the crash was his fault still. Ralf should of got the hell out of the way, but still, it was Sato'esk.

[Senna 0]

FA should never have left the racing line; he could have got Ralf before or just after the chicane.

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Not on this Forum he isn't, it has become a 'Button is the king of the world' forum.

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i like the way you put that

[Jenson_Rules 0]

well whatever u all say, i still think FA isnt as good as JB aqnd that is my own personal opinion, i admit JB should have won a race this year but thats sport for you. i dont go on about stats either, im not like jemstride critisizing every other driver, i just think if JB dosnt win a race this year then its either due to his car, or if his car is strong then its his own fault!

[Jenson_Rules 0]

however i just wish people wud stop going on about race wins and how he hasnt won a race, cios that seems to be ur only argument against him.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Hey come on without my opinions these discussions would be boring. I don't criticise every driver anyway, I actually stick up for a lot of them, but not Alonso, cos he's totally over-rated. He wouldn't have won in a BAR, he should have won monaco if he's so great, but instead Trulli beat him fair and square, so FA bashed into Ralf and then even went and blamed Ralf for it!! Hungary 2003 was a very good win. Everyone criticises JB for not winning in 2004. And I say Alonso, if he's so amazing, should have won a race too. It's not like the Renault was the 3rd best car all season long

[Jenson_Rules 0]

and alonso was outperformed for the first half of the season by JT, so hes obviously not amazing as every1 thinks, although in still like him, hes just an idiot, and to be hjonest a top driver wudnt ivertake in the tunnel because most drivers arnt that dumb!

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Too right. Only a pratt would lap someone on the outside of the monaco tunnel. Especially someone who is considered as a possible replacement for schumi at ferrari when he retires. Remember Malaysia when he flew off the road in qualifying. Baumgartner managed a flying lap, Alonso didn't. nojvnof1, you blab about all jv's bad luck in 2003, yet u say to remember: JB no wins, FA 1 win. Have u not considered that JB may have bad luck to not get that win yet??

[Jenson_Rules 0]

ahh good valid point there jemstride! Suck on that! lol