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Alonso: I would support whatever decision McLaren make

The Sauber (customer) deal NOT goin anywhere, though it IS obvious that
McLaren WILL B staying with Honda.

Ron brought back Honda to WIN
With Sauber now, looking 4 a new deal - BEFORE the Honda customer deal even came to fruition

If Mclaren walked away from  Honda,  it would have wasted the last 2/3 years - with NOTHING to show
McLaren have had faith in Honda. Accepting DNF`s,  in the hope of progression.
Whilst there are still reliability issues, progression HAS clearly been made.
The performance WILL come,   once both cars regularly complete race distance.

 

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Why are Honda in F1 - to WIN, not just make up the numbers

Honda WILL stay in F1 at LEAST until, they ARE regularly WINNING

Sponsors ARE fools, Mclaren WILL regularly get media exposure, GUARANTEED 

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Honda has explained that an inability to simulate real-world effects on its dyno has contributed to the problems with its 2017 Formula 1 engine.

Honda opens up on cause of F1 engine problems

Yes, guys on the forums suspected that much, and have written about already couple of years ago. When you get your design right, well, no problem, otherwise what you get is a business case under heading "Honda's struggles". As stated several times already, data based on empirical or measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning are needed of testing on the track. We are back to acknowledging, how much of expensive and avoidable damage to a lot of people has been perpetrated through imposition of restrictions on essential engineering investigation. 

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Another Honda customer HAS been identified
Toro Rosso

this says to me that, Mclaren ARE staying with Honda.
I knew all along that, McLaren would NOT walk away from Honda
The last 2/3 years of struggles, would have been wasted.
To let another team be the works team, and benefit from Mclarens willingness to accept DNF
While waiting for Honda to produce what is expected

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Key word is "could"; it's not a publicly confirmed deal with TR as yet. (Where did you see it confirmed)?

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Auto Motor und Sport reports that Honda could link up with Toro Rosso next year.

It is reasonable to assume they do need customers to offset development cost, and also broaden data acquisition base.

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25 July 2017,  8:36

For those who haven't seen this piece of (substantive) news:

YAMAMOTO: HONDA WILL REMAIN WITH MCLAREN

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“We are ready to equip Sauber with Honda power units. I built up a good relationship with Monisha Kaltenborn, and we would be happy to continue with this agreement. But in the meantime the leadership at Sauber has changed and now we are negotiating again.”

 

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But Sauber are NOT powered by Honda
The deal has been terminated, before it even initialised.
Leaving McLaren with exclusive Honda power - is that a contradiction in terms, Honda & power
Are Honda really supplying a PU to McLaren or is it a lawnmower?

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Re:...Those thinking that Ron Dennis has been paid the £275m in lieu of his 25% stake in the company, allowing him to head off into the sunset, would appear to be wrong.
>I`m NO Einstein but;
Doesn`t that still MAKE Ron Dennis CEO/whatever of Mclaren

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27 July 2017,  22:21

I think they were talking about paying for his share in installments, instead in one shot. RD is out.

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Honda is improving. This will bring smiles to a few faces. Congratulation on Q3 slot.

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On ‎27‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 9:21 PM, Sakae said:

27 July 2017,  22:21

.... RD is out.

Maybe he made a mistake,  probably should have waited another 12 months.
It`s not as if he needs the money, but with the progression being made by Honda
He could have DOUBLED his achievements
Great ACHIEVEMENTS with  Mclaren Mercedes
To THEN add to that with McLaren Honda

 

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Rumor has it, that RD did not leave voluntarily, and he was forced out from his position. I of course do not know whole story, nor I was that interested in it. Selling his shares was probably his own decision.

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Indeed, I am aware that he were forced out, the board no longer backed him.
Selling his shares completely (cutting ALL ties), were HIS choice.
 

Fernando FASTEST lap in the Hungry race - that`s not bad for a lawnmower !!

Good way for Honda to start the summer break !!

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I see THIS as, Honda`s FIRST points of the season.
In the old format, points were awarded for a top six finish

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11 hours ago, Sakae said:

I see this as progress and little shaming of all doubters. 

I remember saying that by Suzuka Honda will be much more competitive,,,

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31 July 2017,  9:22

If my recollection is correct, mandatory summer shut down is not imposed upon PU suppliers. Honda will probably work through at full force. Japanese race might turn well.

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13 hours ago, radical-one said:

I remember saying that by Suzuka Honda will be much more competitive,,,

I remember saying that - is obvious
Home race, cultural thing
looking bad is a BIG deal in Japan - loss of face
I am  going to be BOLD and say - on the podium !!

Don`t Honda OWN Suzuka ??

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22 hours ago, lipstick79 said:

I remember saying that - is obvious
Home race, cultural thing
looking bad is a BIG deal in Japan - loss of face
I am  going to be BOLD and say - on the podium !!

Don`t Honda OWN Suzuka ??

Yes correct -Honda owns Suzuka.

It will be interesting to see Honda on top 5 places.

I heard, no Holiday for Honda guys in August except for 3 days during oubon season (14th - 16th ).  

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7 minutes ago, radical-one said:

Yes correct -Honda owns Suzuka.

It will be interesting to see Honda on top 5 places.

I heard, no Holiday for Honda guys in August except for 3 days during oubon season (14th - 16th ).  

Do you know who is then a promoter of that race, and for how long they are committed to run races on that track? Wasn't it rumored not too long ago that race was considered for cancellation? (I'm not sure of reasons).

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6 minutes ago, Sakae said:

Do you know who is then a promoter of that race, and for how long they are committed to run races on that track? Wasn't it rumored not too long ago that race was considered for cancellation? (I'm not sure of reasons).

Correct- In 2007-2008 Suzuka was replaced by Fuji Speedway. Contract reasons with F1 - my guess.

Fuji owned by Toyota and was newly revised track then.

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I do recall that period, however in my initial question I have some fuzzy recollection that noise about Suzuka ending its association with the F1 came up again; probably last year. I am not sure how it was addressed. Is Honda a promoter of that race? I do not want to talk myself into false facts, but something is telling me that Honda was considering to sell that track, because of its location, and some other reasons.

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15 hours ago, Sakae said:

I do recall that period, however in my initial question I have some fuzzy recollection that noise about Suzuka ending its association with the F1 came up again; probably last year. I am not sure how it was addressed. Is Honda a promoter of that race? I do not want to talk myself into false facts, but something is telling me that Honda was considering to sell that track, because of its location, and some other reasons.

Not heard about that noise issue. I can;t imagine it being an issue because Suzuka is far from any civilization and it has been there since forever. Plus F1 sound isn't that loud compared in the past and other races like GP, GT, LM are somewhat as loud if not noisier than F1.

 

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3 August 2017,  12:40

Honda performed well in mid-season testing. Marching forward as expected, I may say.

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