Fia To Punish Teams Instead Of Michelin

[cavallino 2]

I hope the Michelin teams don't get punished and I have written a letter to the teams and FIA to that effect. There is no point complaining you don't like something if you are unwilling to do anything about it.

I sincerely hope they dont get any points docked from them, that will be extremely sad. and I hope BAR dont get another suspension. but a financial penalty looks inevitable. Its not really necessary, but I would say the belligerence shown by the michelin teams has virtually guaranteed that.

[nojvnof1 0]

I don't see why Michelin's screw up this race should effect their past performances.

[Jenson_Rules 0]

i was just wondering, if all the teams get a hefty fine, where will that money go? hmmmm!

Also look at the constructers championship, and how ferrari are now joint second, and BAR Honda are below even Minardi!

01 Renault 76

02 Ferrari 63

03 McLaren 63

04 Toyota 47

05 Williams 47

06 Red Bull Racing 22

07 Sauber 12

08 Jordan 11

09 Minardi 7

10 B.A.R Honda 0

[Kaciaj 0]

i was just wondering, if all the teams get a hefty fine, where will that money go? hmmmm!

Also look at the constructers championship, and how ferrari are now joint second, and BAR Honda are below even Minardi! 

01  Renault 76

02  Ferrari 63

03  McLaren 63

04  Toyota 47

05  Williams 47

06  Red Bull Racing 22

07  Sauber 12

08  Jordan 11

09  Minardi 7

10  B.A.R Honda 0

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If team are scrapped of their constructor points Ferraro would be first.And this is s##t

[Jenson_Rules 0]

especially after all their hard work and everything, thats just gonna destroy the sport!

[bajo39 0]

I sincerely hope they dont get any points docked from them, that will be extremely sad. and I hope BAR dont get another suspension. but a financial penalty looks inevitable. Its not really necessary, but I would say the belligerence shown by the michelin teams has virtually guaranteed that.

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I would say it is absolutely necessary. Where will the money come from to refund the fans? How will the teams be taught to respect the fans and the sport? My suggestion would be to fine them 300% of the total cost of all GP tickets, $50m, and BAR ought to pay twice as much as the other teams and possibly be suspended again.

[Kay 0]

What about Michelin then?

[bajo39 0]

What about Michelin then?

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I'm not going to confuse you by discussing two related but separate issues.

[Fed up 0]

I hope the Michelin teams don't get punished and I have written a letter to the teams and FIA to that effect. There is no point complaining you don't like something if you are unwilling to do anything about it.

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go girl

[Kay 0]

I have sent my letter to about 40 people within F1 and so far have had one response back..

[Senna 0]

I have sent my letter to about 40 people within F1 and so far have had one response back..

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Proactive response

[Kay 0]

Well what can you expect back within a few hours? Normally takes a few days to get a couple.

[cavallino 2]

I would say it is absolutely necessary. Where will the money come from to refund the fans? How will the teams be taught to respect the fans and the sport? My suggestion would be to fine them 300% of the total cost of all GP tickets, $50m, and BAR ought to pay twice as much as the other teams and possibly be suspended again.

oh yeah true forgot about that. offer fans a refund or free tickets to next years race guaranteeing a full grid. I dont want BAR overpunished, its not good for the sport to lose a well financed manufacturer backed team. or any team for that matter, there is no point in going below 10 teams.

I hope the Michelin teams don't get punished and I have written a letter to the teams and FIA to that effect. There is no point complaining you don't like something if you are unwilling to do anything about it.

well who doles out the cash then? if michelin are solely made to do that theyll probably pull out of the sport. michelin told the teams that their tyres would not be able to take the stress of turn 13. the decision to insist on the chicane and not race was made jointly by the teams.

Someone has to pay.

[Kaciaj 0]

I would say it is absolutely necessary. Where will the money come from to refund the fans? How will the teams be taught to respect the fans and the sport? My suggestion would be to fine them 300% of the total cost of all GP tickets, $50m, and BAR ought to pay twice as much as the other teams and possibly be suspended again.

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WHy are you so hard against BAR?I don't see they have done something worse than the other six teams...

[nojvnof1 0]

bajo is hard on them as they are currently on probation from the fuel tank debacle. Although I don't agree with him, I see his point.

"I have sent my letter to about 40 people within F1 and so far have had one response back.."

good on you!! Who has responded back if I may ask??

[Ash 0]

Some can't see clearly, for reasons mentioned before

[Njain 0]

Michelin didnt bring the right tires, they ****ed up big time. FIA couldnt punish Michelin, so they are at fault for that and not coming up with a solution.

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I came upon this todt interview dt. 30/5/2005.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_new...es_art_id=24662

Its clear that 1 set of tyre-rule is bad for f1-pinnacle of motorsports but once this rule is in force for this year it is better to adjust with it.

Bridgestone and Ferrari took a cautious approach and tried to find a balance between speed and safety.

MIchelin took a chance between safety and speed and benefitted in majority of races but one single race at INDY has reversed all these gains.

What is deplorable is that Michelin teams are trying to gain political mileage out of what is basically their own fault(they were winning races using Michelin and they were not complaining then). What they shouold have done at INDY was to race according to suggestions given by FIA.

If nine teams are hellbent on getting Mosley to resign then I think either F1 as weknow it is coming to an end or MOsley is going to resign. take your bets!!!

[Kay 0]

good on you!! Who has responded back if I may ask??

Peter Windsor and now I also have a reply from BAR.

[cavallino 2]

What did they say?

[Jenson_Rules 0]

Yeah whats BAR said, what did you say to them, im intrigued!

[Kay 0]

The FIA have recently published their views on the USA Grand Prix and in general showed that they care little for their fans and that it is not important to please them, but let me take this opportunity to remind everyone of something. Without us, there are no viewing figures and money spent on race weekends, without that there are no sponsors willing to come into F1, with no sponsors there are no F1 teams, with no teams there is no F1. Perhaps you should sit down for awhile and look at it from someone else's perspective instead of just trying to cover your own portion of blame in the matter. Maybe you should try running a series without fans, go to races with no one watching in the stands or on the tv and see how far you get before you fail.

The events which I witnessed unfolding in the USA Grand Prix were totally disgusting for a global sport such as F1, but post race dealings have gone from disgusting to unacceptable and this is why you find me writing this letter.

I am in complete support of the Michelin teams who withdrew from the USA Grand Prix on the formation lap (note that they did start the race) and find it shocking that you blame the matter totally on these teams and come up with reasons which contradict your own rules. I am right in believing there is a rule which states at least 12 drivers should take part in a race otherwise it can be cancelled, so if you deem that the Michelin teams did not start then you should have also stuck to this rule.

I believe that Michelin are to fault for providing tyres that were unsafe for the grand prix in which they should have been used for, but instead of dragging the sport further through the mud perhaps you should be concentrating on how to ensure or decrease the chance of this happening again.

Michelin teams pulled out on grounds of safety and there are several team bosses out there that know all to well about fatalities and injuries that are possible in F1. Even the solutions that were offered did not guarantee anymore safety than just racing at full speeds, as the root cause of these problems had not been identified.

As one of the younger fans of the sport I know how unpopular the sport has become in recent years, but I have stuck through the less interesting seasons and intend to celebrate my 10th year of watching the sport by attending the Silverstone grand prix, however the last week has made me question the sport and indeed my support for it and if the teams are punished for their correct actions last weekend then come race weekends you can forget any viewing figures come from me.

I hope the hearing on the 29th June clears the Michelin teams of any part of bringing the sport into disrepute and I would like to emphasise that they have my full support on this matter.

Regards,

Kaylie

The replies so far:

Peter Windsor:

Sorry Kaylie:  you are completely wrong about this one.  The tyres were

never deemed "unsafe", as you say.  They were merely "unsafe" for one

corner - which is why the Michelin teams banded into a union and asked for

something that they knew would never happen - a chicane to be built on race

morning.  They exaggerated the situation to suit their own needs - and most

of the mechanics and drivers involved have already agreed with that. Their

situation was no different from Michael Schumacher's in Spain, where he

suffered two tyre failures and withdrew from the race.  I don't remember any

Michelin teams suggesting a chicane at Barcelona in order to help Ferrari!

Having received the totally predictable reply from the FIA, the MIchelin

teams then blamed everyone but themselves.  It was a disgrace - and even

more so that none of the MIchelin drivers stayed around after the race to

apologise to the fans and sign autographs, etc.  The FIA did exactly the

right thing in not giving in to union pressure to suit one component of the

package - ie Michelin.  If they had done so, all past and future rulings

would have become irrelevant.

sincerely

Peter Windsor

Doesn't make sense...the tyres weren't deemed unsafe but they were deemed unsafe. The drivers agree it was an over reaction but all the quotes I've searched for from drivers are in full support for what the michelin teams did.

BAR:

Thank you Kaylie, your support is greatly appreciated.

Kind regards

Emma

So if you want to complain about the matter...go and do something about it people!

[cavallino 2]

Even though I disagree with you on most counts ( and agree with windsor) I cannot help but admire your proactive stance.

[bajo39 0]

Peter Windsor:

Doesn't make sense...the tyres weren't deemed unsafe but they were deemed unsafe. The drivers agree it was an over reaction but all the quotes I've searched for from drivers are in full support for what the michelin teams did.

BAR:

So if you want to complain about the matter...go and do something about it people!

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Unsurprisingly, the sensible Peter Windsor has offered the same logical answer that I did: The Michelin teams were at fault for not racing when they could have... Glad to see that there is a mountain of logical opinion forming against you.

[Kay 0]

Mountain? 3 people aren't a mountain when you know 300 people who agree with you.

[Jenson_Rules 0]

peter winsor is an idiot from ow on imo, kay is completely right and i find it disgusting how he does no accept her view, which is the view of about 80% of all F1 fans! What bull!