Just A Reminder

[pumpdoc 2]

Hey guys and gals, just a reminder be civil in your responses, cuss at a member and you will be banned............

[AutoRacer5 0]

Gee, I wonder who got the stick this time?

[mock 0]

Gee, I wonder who got the stick this time?

Not me

Wonder who

[Sato 0]

I think it was Shane

[mock 0]

I think it was Shane

I think the list of banned people and the length of ban should be made public.......

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I think the list of banned people and the length of ban should be made public.......

no i think a ban is punishment enough, no need for humiliation

[cavallino 2]

On the contrary bans (if they have to be given) should remain confidential and the moderators must be forbidden to mention bans, or answer if asked. Only the ban-ee should be allowed to disclose it if he so chooses. It is not a system of retribution and humiliation - that is the easiest way to not make it work. Theer is absolutely nothing remotely positive that can come out of discussing bans in public.

[AutoRacer5 0]

I disagree. If someone was stupid enough to get banned, we should all know about it.

I officially propose the official hanging thread. List the poster, how long the ban is, what he did, and a link to the post.

CAD has one, check it out.

[pumpdoc 2]

I disagree. If someone was stupid enough to get banned, we should all know about it.

I officially propose the official hanging thread. List the poster, how long the ban is, what he did, and a link to the post.

CAD has one, check it out.

Chris, stiffel it(Archie Bunker)

[AutoRacer5 0]

Homina homina homina homina homina homina POW Right in the kisser! -Gleason

No problem boss.

[Wez 0]

no i think a ban is punishment enough, no need for humiliation

Its no problem... Guys always brag about who has the biggest speeding fine!

[Max Mosley 2]

First off, you do a good job as almost our only mod Bruce! And so does Wes as admin! So thank you both - I was thinking of starting a separate "tribute" thread to say that anyway, actually, but maybe I'll put it here for now. The way this forum is run is the main reason I, and probably many other people, still post here. Therefore, I don't want to cause problems but I just wanted to say that I would prefer it if we were allowed to cuss members, personally. Although I don't think I've ever done it (here anyway ) the lack of freedom to do it still grates with me a little. After all there is a very healthy tradition, on this forum, of insulting and teasing, which is one of the things I like about this forum in particular.

Perhaps I should declare an interest here as yours truly (yes: the humble, gentle and perfectly reasonable Murray Walker) has been banned from 2 other forums in quick succession recently. One time I was accused of putting someone's videos on youtube, which I emphatically did not do, and the other time was for cussing a famous person and making an obsessed girl poster cry. She retorted that she'd "love to tell me to **** off, but [she] won't because it's not allowed", the sheer dignity and poise of which made me laugh - it sounds like the Queen insulting someone: "One so wants to tell one to **** off, but one won't because, in polite society, one doesn't". However, it highlights one of the problems of a no cussing policy: you'll just get the same message delivered more subtly but equally offensively.

For instance maybe Bruce could ban me under these rules if I ever suggested that he's a "stupid b#####d" but what if I were to say that he's simply a "stupid old man"? Both would be about as offensive to me because the meaning is identical but comments like the second have always been allowed here, and rightly so imho. We all know that it's just as easy to wind people up without swearing as it is with swearing, so I don't think there's a good reason to ban it. (After all, we already edit the swear words, in case kids see them {awww, bless their innocent little minds}, and swearing is not being banned completely anyway)

My suggestion for moderating is to judge whether an insult is part of a debate or whether it's simply an attempt to annoy someone, especially an attempt to make a poster unable to post here. If an insult arises as part of a debate, maybe someone calls me a "sexist prick" because (somehow ) they actually think that's a good description of me based on my posts for instance, then I would prefer that to be allowed. On the other hand if someone gets called a "bitch" every single time they post for no reason other than to scare them off, then that should be unacceptable because it disrupts the forum for everyone (it scares valued posters away and we have to wade through pointless posts). Clearly this judgement is subjective but I trust Bruce, Ecap and Wes to make it fairly and would like to have the extra freedom it would allow, even though as I've said I've not used it (yet).

[pabloh20 1]

First off, you do a good job as almost our only mod Bruce! And so does Wes as admin! So thank you both - I was thinking of starting a separate "tribute" thread to say that anyway, actually, but maybe I'll put it here for now. The way this forum is run is the main reason I, and probably many other people, still post here. Therefore, I don't want to cause problems but I just wanted to say that I would prefer it if we were allowed to cuss members, personally. Although I don't think I've ever done it (here anyway ) the lack of freedom to do it still grates with me a little. After all there is a very healthy tradition, on this forum, of insulting and teasing, which is one of the things I like about this forum in particular.

Perhaps I should declare an interest here as yours truly (yes: the humble, gentle and perfectly reasonable Murray Walker) has been banned from 2 other forums in quick succession recently. One time I was accused of putting someone's videos on youtube, which I emphatically did not do, and the other time was for cussing a famous person and making an obsessed girl poster cry. She retorted that she'd "love to tell me to **** off, but [she] won't because it's not allowed", the sheer dignity and poise of which made me laugh - it sounds like the Queen insulting someone: "One so wants to tell one to **** off, but one won't because, in polite society, one doesn't". However, it highlights one of the problems of a no cussing policy: you'll just get the same message delivered more subtly but equally offensively.

For instance maybe Bruce could ban me under these rules if I ever suggested that he's a "stupid b#####d" but what if I were to say that he's simply a "stupid old man"? Both would be about as offensive to me because the meaning is identical but comments like the second have always been allowed here, and rightly so imho. We all know that it's just as easy to wind people up without swearing as it is with swearing, so I don't think there's a good reason to ban it. (After all, we already edit the swear words, in case kids see them {awww, bless their innocent little minds}, and swearing is not being banned completely anyway)

My suggestion for moderating is to judge whether an insult is part of a debate or whether it's simply an attempt to annoy someone, especially an attempt to make a poster unable to post here. If an insult arises as part of a debate, maybe someone calls me a "sexist prick" because (somehow ) they actually think that's a good description of me based on my posts for instance, then I would prefer that to be allowed. On the other hand if someone gets called a "bitch" every single time they post for no reason other than to scare them off, then that should be unacceptable because it disrupts the forum for everyone (it scares valued posters away and we have to wade through pointless posts). Clearly this judgement is subjective but I trust Bruce, Ecap and Wes to make it fairly and would like to have the extra freedom it would allow, even though as I've said I've not used it (yet).

Damn, I'm going to have to get a move on - you'll be catching up to my 15 sensible posts at this rate!

I can't believe you got banned from 2 forums!

[Quiet One 15]

First off, you do a good job as almost our only mod Bruce! And so does Wes as admin! So thank you both - I was thinking of starting a separate "tribute" thread to say that anyway, actually, but maybe I'll put it here for now. The way this forum is run is the main reason I, and probably many other people, still post here. Therefore, I don't want to cause problems but I just wanted to say that I would prefer it if we were allowed to cuss members, personally. Although I don't think I've ever done it (here anyway ) the lack of freedom to do it still grates with me a little. After all there is a very healthy tradition, on this forum, of insulting and teasing, which is one of the things I like about this forum in particular.

Perhaps I should declare an interest here as yours truly (yes: the humble, gentle and perfectly reasonable Murray Walker) has been banned from 2 other forums in quick succession recently. One time I was accused of putting someone's videos on youtube, which I emphatically did not do, and the other time was for cussing a famous person and making an obsessed girl poster cry. She retorted that she'd "love to tell me to **** off, but [she] won't because it's not allowed", the sheer dignity and poise of which made me laugh - it sounds like the Queen insulting someone: "One so wants to tell one to **** off, but one won't because, in polite society, one doesn't". However, it highlights one of the problems of a no cussing policy: you'll just get the same message delivered more subtly but equally offensively.

For instance maybe Bruce could ban me under these rules if I ever suggested that he's a "stupid b#####d" but what if I were to say that he's simply a "stupid old man"? Both would be about as offensive to me because the meaning is identical but comments like the second have always been allowed here, and rightly so imho. We all know that it's just as easy to wind people up without swearing as it is with swearing, so I don't think there's a good reason to ban it. (After all, we already edit the swear words, in case kids see them {awww, bless their innocent little minds}, and swearing is not being banned completely anyway)

My suggestion for moderating is to judge whether an insult is part of a debate or whether it's simply an attempt to annoy someone, especially an attempt to make a poster unable to post here. If an insult arises as part of a debate, maybe someone calls me a "sexist prick" because (somehow ) they actually think that's a good description of me based on my posts for instance, then I would prefer that to be allowed. On the other hand if someone gets called a "bitch" every single time they post for no reason other than to scare them off, then that should be unacceptable because it disrupts the forum for everyone (it scares valued posters away and we have to wade through pointless posts). Clearly this judgement is subjective but I trust Bruce, Ecap and Wes to make it fairly and would like to have the extra freedom it would allow, even though as I've said I've not used it (yet).

Couldn't agree more. BTW...eat mi knickers, thou ill-nurtured plume-plucked hugger-mugger!

[Autumnpuma 0]

Murray, I think there's a bit of confusion about this. Simple fcuking swearing isn't a problem.

It's when hostility is directed towards another poster that it starts to become a problem. We all have gotten angry at fellow posters and it mostly shows in our posts, but to type in swear words or the like at someone indicates that you've totally lost the plot and need a period of time to 'cool down'. If I'm wrong, I'm sure Bruce will say so, but I don't think I'm far from the mark....

[Quiet One 15]

Murray, I think there's a bit of confusion about this. Simple fcuking swearing isn't a problem.

It's when hostility is directed towards another poster that it starts to become a problem. We all have gotten angry at fellow posters and it mostly shows in our posts, but to type in swear words or the like at someone indicates that you've totally lost the plot and need a period of time to 'cool down'. If I'm wrong, I'm sure Bruce will say so, but I don't think I'm far from the mark....

O that thou wouldest have more mother-in-laws than King Solomon, O thou denizen of the underworld!

[Autumnpuma 0]

O that thou wouldest have more mother-in-laws than King Solomon, O thou denizen of the underworld!

[Quiet One 15]

Sorry...they fixed my computer, I'm still broken!

[Max Mosley 2]

Murray, I think there's a bit of confusion about this. Simple fcuking swearing isn't a problem.

It's when hostility is directed towards another poster that it starts to become a problem. We all have gotten angry at fellow posters and it mostly shows in our posts, but to type in swear words or the like at someone indicates that you've totally lost the plot and need a period of time to 'cool down'. If I'm wrong, I'm sure Bruce will say so, but I don't think I'm far from the mark....

Yeah that's my interpretation of the stated policy too. However, personally, I would prefer it if "hostility" were allowed. Apart from all the reasons I gave above, it just reeks of general girlishness to have to ban people for insulting or offending someone.

[pumpdoc 2]

Yeah that's my interpretation of the stated policy too. However, personally, I would prefer it if "hostility" were allowed. Apart from all the reasons I gave above, it just reeks of general girlishness to have to ban people for insulting or offending someone.

The problem is that not all people can shake off insults or hostillity the same way, there are subtulties in reading the same thing.

That is the hardest thing about this, but as the new year dawns, we(mods) just feel it's time to set the standard the same for every one, even those who don't feel slighted by someone calling them explitive, that crosses the line and won't be allowed anymore. It has to be this way so that a level of fairness be obtained. I'm just as guilty as others are in getting people wound up, but I try not to do it with explitives and I won't any more, but watch out for sarcastic comments (Bogans beware)

I've been apart of forums that if you even hint at an insult you are gone, or for that matter take a thread off-topic(heaven forbid if we did that here )There are race forums that if you start a thread that's critical, you and the thread just disapear, i can only remember a couple of threads that have been deleted, other than spam.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Yeah that's my interpretation of the stated policy too. However, personally, I would prefer it if "hostility" were allowed. Apart from all the reasons I gave above, it just reeks of general girlishness to have to ban people for insulting or offending someone.

I'm with you on this. "You never really know a person until you "fought" him/her"*. a Person's character is defined in battle... We are not sissies., we're openminded adults. maybe I'm going to the extreme here, but anyway. I have total respect for a guy like Jem(hope you don't mind jem), I think he's a cool debater, who once or twice got cussed over a statement. Whats his response? Giving it back with profound statements and facts. I don't see Jem lose it. Unfortunately I do lose it so now and then, I'm a spur of the moment type of guy, I say it like it is, straight, if I think your acting like an idiot I'll tell you so. Needless to say, it has'nt made me the most popular among my peers. I do not understand how my girlfriend live with it, honestly guys. She complains about it, but accepts it, she's even now pushing me for marraige. I'm totally different to Jem...

and thats what I love about the site, the different personalities express in the forums. be it with cussing or not, we're expressing ourselves, our own character. This is why I agree with Mr Murray Walker. Life is hard, we're on our own in this world. If you think we're all put on this earth to live happy faultless lives, you're dead wrong. You're gonna have to deal with this fact, we will not have Pappa or Momma protecting us all the time......Needless to say the idiots that have a personal agenda againts another poster in every thread needs to be banned.

I think I may be totally off the mark here... but this is my 10cents worth....

This post is not meant as an insult to our cool mods, Pumdoc, ecap and Mr Wes

*the chinese protector in the Matrix

[mock 0]

I disagree. If someone was stupid enough to get banned, we should all know about it.

I officially propose the official hanging thread. List the poster, how long the ban is, what he did, and a link to the post.

CAD has one, check it out.

Yeah I agree, at least it should give everyone a pointer to what is acceptable and what is not. For eg, calling someone a necrophiliac dead elephant f*ucker (or something to that effect) qualifies as eminently bannable, though I believe some people had views to the contrary till they were gently reminded

[mock 0]

............. Clearly this judgement is subjective but I trust Bruce, Ecap and Wes to make it fairly and would like to have the extra freedom it would allow, even though as I've said I've not used it (yet).

I agree with you. Just imagine me not being able to call Bajo or Ctrl 300 f****** as******

- Heaven forbid I am denied that fundamental right