A Driver A Day - Keeps The Boredom Away

[Sato 0]

Fisi is average and I reckon HK will beat him in the WDC.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Fisi is average and I reckon HK will beat him in the WDC.

but what makes u so sure that Heikki is anything above average?

And surely Hekki is bound to have some rookie mistakes, as rookies do, and crash/spin a few times in races?

[Player(1) 0]

but what makes u so sure that Heikki is anything above average?

And surely Hekki is bound to have some rookie mistakes, as rookies do, and crash/spin a few times in races?

From fighting with someone ontrack maybe but not by himself since he actually knows the car extremely well and how it handles.

[Sato 0]

Indeed Player(1).

[Jem of the Shire 0]

dont kid yourselves he's still a rookie and he will make mistakes, as will Hamilton. Fisi wont challenge for the title but he'll bring in a lot of points if the car is good

[Player(1) 0]

Very tight and risky thing to predict but I bet Kimi makes more mistakes this year then Heikki.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Very tight and risky thing to predict but I bet Kimi makes more mistakes this year then Heikki.

really??? Kimi makes hardly any mistakes and is now alonso's main rival, seen by almost everyone as being among the top 2 best drivers in F1; a rookie is bound to make at least a few mistakes during the season. I'm very surprised by that prediction!!!

[pumpdoc 2]

really??? Kimi makes hardly any mistakes and is now alonso's main rival, seen by almost everyone as being among the top 2 best drivers in F1; a rookie is bound to make at least a few mistakes during the season. I'm very surprised by that prediction!!!

Indeed, but what do you expect from an Alonso kool ade drinker

[Player(1) 0]

really??? Kimi makes hardly any mistakes and is now alonso's main rival, seen by almost everyone as being among the top 2 best drivers in F1; a rookie is bound to make at least a few mistakes during the season. I'm very surprised by that prediction!!!

Well seeing as Kimi flatspotted his front right in 2005 and 2006 screwing up a race along with other mistakes I think the pressure this year might tease some more mistakes out of him. Heikki is an unknown though as far as mistakes go but I think its possible i can be right.

[Shane2 0]

As far as I remember that was his only really critical driving mistake all year. Almost all drivers make 1 almighty boob per year. Alonso had his bite of the wall in Canada, So did Button, Schumacher span off behind the safety car in China... Most of the 2005 mistakes where Mclaren's fragile car, not raikkonen's mistakes. If anything, I think he is more likely to make small errors than big ones, because he has said he doesn't like the Bridgestone tyres.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Well seeing as Kimi flatspotted his front right in 2005 and 2006 screwing up a race along with other mistakes I think the pressure this year might tease some more mistakes out of him. Heikki is an unknown though as far as mistakes go but I think its possible i can be right.

is that it?? 1 little error (which is barely even an error, it was more of a choice that kimi made to stay out rather than pit), and thats your only evidence that kimi will make more mistakes than a rookie? And when did kimi screw up a race in 2006 by flatspotting a tyre?

this is the kind of thing which always leads me to side with the kimi fans.

[Shane2 0]

The error was actually going off the track and flatspotting it in the first place. lol

[Player(1) 0]

is that it?? 1 little error (which is barely even an error, it was more of a choice that kimi made to stay out rather than pit), and thats your only evidence that kimi will make more mistakes than a rookie? And when did kimi screw up a race in 2006 by flatspotting a tyre?

this is the kind of thing which always leads me to side with the kimi fans.

He flat spotted his tyre in Australia 2006 aswell when overtaking Button which damaged his front wing leading to Montoya queing up in the pitlane waiting for Kimi's wing to be replaced.

[Shane2 0]

Ultimately I don't really think that ended up costing Montoya that much

[Jem of the Shire 0]

and thats all the evidence for predicting that he's going to make more mistakes than a rookie?

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Well seeing as Kimi flatspotted his front right in 2005 and 2006 screwing up a race along with other mistakes I think the pressure this year might tease some more mistakes out of him. Heikki is an unknown though as far as mistakes go but I think its possible i can be right.

You act as if flat spotting a tire is a major crime, every driver has done it at one time, so what? That situation was unique because of the tire rule, it wasn't till after that race when they said you could come in to change out one bad tire. Enough already.

[Shane2 0]

Actually, that isn't true, it was in the rules from the start of the first race. There was a discussion and both Raikkonen and the team consciously decided to stay out and they knew full well that they could change the tyre. I don't blame them for doing it, most teams would have done it, in fact Renault took a similar gamble during the race and got away with it, as it is a little known fact that Alonso got tagged on the rear at the start of that race, and he was only about 1 lap away from having a rear wing failure

[pumpdoc 2]

Actually, that isn't true, it was in the rules from the start of the first race. There was a discussion and both Raikkonen and the team consciously decided to stay out and they knew full well that they could change the tyre. I don't blame them for doing it, most teams would have done it, in fact Renault took a similar gamble during the race and got away with it, as it is a little known fact that Alonso got tagged on the rear at the start of that race, and he was only about 1 lap away from having a rear wing failure

Sorry my bad, you are right, while the rule was in place from the start it wasn't till after this race that it was clairified

[Autumnpuma 0]

The flat-spotting is one mistake among many that cost him at least one championship. The flat-spotting happened while he was leading the race, with a decent gap to Alonso. He pushed too hard and flat-spotted it..which resulted in the vibrations tearing his suspension to bits. The result? DNF.

Twice he shunted at Hockenheim at the same place. Driver error. Result? DNF

Once he suffered a driveshaft failure at Imola by driving too aggressively over the kurbing AFTER his team told him to go easy.

According to Mario Illien, Kimi drove many engines too hard. Illien later softened what he had to say, but we all know the truth comes out first, then the bullsh!t to cover it all up.

Multiple qualifying mistakes in '05 gave at least two poles, and at least two races, to Alonso.

Driving too close to Alonso in Monaco '06 prevented his engine from getting enough cooling air and caused his DNF there. Kimi knew there were cooling issues with the car at Monaco in practice, but couldn't be bothered to think about that come race day. Had he backed off he would have scored 8 pts instead of 0.

Running into the back of Liuzzi due to pressure from Pedro De La Rosa is the icing on the cake. That move erased any respect I had for Kimi as a driver.

Now a homework lesson for anyone who cars to try: Pull up the DNF comparisons between Kimi and his teammates from every year he has been in F1. I have a feeling you'll notice that he has had more DNFs than the guy in the other car. This is not by accident or clever puma design. This is because Kimi has zero mechanical sympathy.

You can argue these points from here to hell and back again, but it won't change my perception of Kimi as fast but unthinking. Some people like his quickish ways and ignore the rest. Good for you. I, however, admire complete drivers. Those that combine everything in one, tidy package. Other drivers make mistakes. Even MS made many mistakes. Each of us has to judge if a driver is worth supporting, despite those mistakes. To me, Kimi is not worth supporting. I admire his blinding speed, but nothing else.

Now, are we all clear where I stand? No distortions will be forthcoming? Notice I didn't say he was responsible for EVERY McLaren blow-up? Notice I credited him with blinding speed? Is this sinking in? Good. Now I'm off to the freeways and, later, a beer.

Cheers!

EDIT: Even though this post followed Bruce's, it wasn't a response to it.

[Shane2 0]

Sorry my bad, you are right, while the rule was in place from the start it wasn't till after this race that it was clairified

Hmm I didn't realise that. How come they thought about changing it if they didn't know the rule

Twice he shunted at Hockenheim at the same place. Driver error. Result? DNF

Unless you are referring to his rear wing failure in 2004, that makes no sense because his retirement from the 2005 race was caused by a hydraulic failure, and shunting does not cause hydraulic failures.

[Quiet One 15]

The flat-spotting is one mistake among many that cost him at least one championship. The flat-spotting happened while he was leading the race, with a decent gap to Alonso. He pushed too hard and flat-spotted it..which resulted in the vibrations tearing his suspension to bits. The result? DNF.

Twice he shunted at Hockenheim at the same place. Driver error. Result? DNF

Once he suffered a driveshaft failure at Imola by driving too aggressively over the kurbing AFTER his team told him to go easy.

According to Mario Illien, Kimi drove many engines too hard. Illien later softened what he had to say, but we all know the truth comes out first, then the bullsh!t to cover it all up.

Multiple qualifying mistakes in '05 gave at least two poles, and at least two races, to Alonso.

Driving too close to Alonso in Monaco '06 prevented his engine from getting enough cooling air and caused his DNF there. Kimi knew there were cooling issues with the car at Monaco in practice, but couldn't be bothered to think about that come race day. Had he backed off he would have scored 8 pts instead of 0.

Running into the back of Liuzzi due to pressure from Pedro De La Rosa is the icing on the cake. That move erased any respect I had for Kimi as a driver.

Now a homework lesson for anyone who cars to try: Pull up the DNF comparisons between Kimi and his teammates from every year he has been in F1. I have a feeling you'll notice that he has had more DNFs than the guy in the other car. This is not by accident or clever puma design. This is because Kimi has zero mechanical sympathy.

You can argue these points from here to hell and back again, but it won't change my perception of Kimi as fast but unthinking. Some people like his quickish ways and ignore the rest. Good for you. I, however, admire complete drivers. Those that combine everything in one, tidy package. Other drivers make mistakes. Even MS made many mistakes. Each of us has to judge if a driver is worth supporting, despite those mistakes. To me, Kimi is not worth supporting. I admire his blinding speed, but nothing else.

Now, are we all clear where I stand? No distortions will be forthcoming? Notice I didn't say he was responsible for EVERY McLaren blow-up? Notice I credited him with blinding speed? Is this sinking in? Good. Now I'm off to the freeways and, later, a beer.

Cheers!

EDIT: Even though this post followed Bruce's, it wasn't a response to it.

I don't understand why you say that Kimi is impotent and that he does not know how to use toilet paper! You should really stop that unless you can back it up with facts!

Shame on you!

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Hmm I didn't realise that. How come they thought about changing it if they didn't know the rule

Unless you are referring to his rear wing failure in 2004, that makes no sense because his retirement from the 2005 race was caused by a hydraulic failure, and shunting does not cause hydraulic failures.

Damn staight everyone calls that mechanics error an engine failure when it wasn't...............

[Shane2 0]

Well it lists it as mechanics/engine on Wikipedia, but If i remember correctly a very small part was fitted incorrectly. Bad error by the team, but hardly accident damage lol

[Autumnpuma 0]

My problem with Kimi is that for so many years he has looked fast and like a winner. Then he pulls a stupid error and throws it away. When I would see Michael race I could expect him to win. When I see Kimi race, it's about 50/50 that he'll do something dumb.

EDIT: I tell you what, you can take away every reason I've listed but one. Driving into the back of Liuzzi while under pressure from.....Pedro De La Rosa. That one instance sums up my view on Kimi perfectly. (I also deleted some needless attitude on my part.)

[Shane2 0]

Actually....

The Monaco 2006 failure was a heat shield failure, not an engine failure. The heat shield overheated from lack of cooling from running behind the safety car. This then caused some wiring looms inside the engine bay to melt, causing an electronics failure. And running behind another driver is what F1 drivers do, Alonso would do the same thing if it was him. The idea is that the Engineers compensate for circuits where cooling is going to be an issue.

The story I have heard for the 2006 hungarian problem is that he was trying to let pedro by, and liuzzi slowed down in a place where raikkonen wasn't expecting him to. He braked and understeered into the back of him.

Also, the 2005 races Raikkonen made quali mistakes in where Brazil, Belgium, and Australia. Australia, it was hard to know his true pace because he was corked up behind schumi for most of the race, Belgium he won, and Brazil he finished second in a McLaren 1-2 (again in front of Alonso)

The great majority of wins inherited for Alonso where inherited by the way of mechanical failures, the only one I would say Kimi blew was Nurburgring by his own error. The fact he had more mechanical failures than Montoya was odd, yes but I have personally never seen anything which can prove he causes them by over driving his car.

If you take away his Mechanical DNF's (of which there have been LOADS) his mistake record is not that much worse than anyone elses. The question is if he causes them, and that is really a subjective opinion, and would be hard to prove without access to car telemetry