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Started by yurp , May 09 2010 03:44 AM

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#1 yurp

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 03:44 AM

PLEASE DO NOT POST DIRECTLY IN THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU ARE A MEMBER OF A DEBATING TEAM OR A JURY MEMBER - ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DEBATERS SHOULD BE SENT TO ANDRES (QUIET ONE) BY PM.
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Question - "Does Webber deserve a Red Bull?"

Moderator:
Andres (Quite One)
Duties:
Keep debaters in line - Andres, you know how to do this. Just jump in if you need to, but try to avoid it otherwise.
Receive questions in your message inbox from other users and choose which to put to the debaters. (see Format below)

Teams, picked out of hat (coffee cup) - leaders in bold...

Yes Team:
The Professor (wimp)
Argento Reloaded (new team leader)
Kopite Girl
JHS (new team member)

No Team:
Cavallino
AutumnPuma
BradSpeedMan

Questioners:
Anyone (Jury members and opposing teams may also send questions for Andres to ask)

NB - QUESTIONS FROM QUESTIONERS SHOULD BE SENT TO ANDRES BY PM NOT ADDED TO THREAD DIRECTLY
This way Andres can moderate the questions and order them well in a single post for each team. (see Format below)

Jury:
Monza
AleHop
Max Mosley
piquettheterrible2
Tommy

We will have a jury and a public poll - The jury will offer their verdicts in a post each - the poll will be there for anyone to have a vote at the end.

EDIT - can teams and the jury post in their colour too so the thread is easy to read?
green for Yes Team, red for No Team, pink for Jury, blue for Andres.

Format:
1) Open thread - set starting date for debate 4 days later (give teams a chance to prepare) :thbup:
Part 1
2) Introduction from Andres
3) Yes Team Leader opening statement
4) No Team Leader opening statement
5) Yes Team 2nd member argument
6) No Team 2nd member argument
7) Yes Team 3rd member argument
8) No Team 3rd member argument
9) Yes Team Leader summing up
10) No Team Leader summing up
Part 2
11) Andres - questions for Yes Team (received via PM from questioners, moderated and ordered by Andres)
12) Yes Team Leader, 2nd member and 3rd member rebuttals to questions. (1 post each)
13) Andres - questions for No Team (received via PM from questioners, moderated and ordered by Andres)
14) No Team Leader, 2nd member and 3rd member rebuttals to questions. (1 post each)
15) Andres calls on jury and sums up arguments from Teams (impartial - NOT judgement)
16) Jury Verdicts (5 posts, one from each jury member including judgement - Yes or No win)
17) Andres pronunces winners according to jury verdict
18) Open poll (Public verdict)

Andres will make his introduction next on the 12th of May 2010.
Teams - get ready!

Edited by adamstrags, 10 May 2010 - 12:07 AM.

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#2 Grabthaw the Hammerslayer

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 04:42 PM

View Postadamstrags, on 09 May 2010 - 03:44 AM, said:

PLEASE DO NOT POST DIRECTLY IN THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU ARE A MEMBER OF A DEBATING TEAM OR A JURY MEMBER

OK

Hee hee I feel so naughty :D Couldn't resist.

   The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch

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   I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
  

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 04:57 PM

View PostGrabthaw the Hammerslayer, on 09 May 2010 - 04:42 PM, said:

OK

Hee hee I feel so naughty Posted Image Couldn't resist.
Ok? How can you agree that Webber doesn't deserve a Red Bull after such a brilliant win in Spain!!!! Posted Image

Fray Luis de León said:

As we were saying yesterday...
Fray Luis de León wrote mystical poems which prompted Cervantes to proclaim León "a genius who astounds the world and who, in ecstasy, might rob us of our senses." León was also an active man who taught at the University of Salamanca, translated classical and biblical literature, and wrote on religious themes. Twice denounced before the Inquisition, he was imprisoned for "heresy," though he returned to the University to later hold the chairs of Moral Philosophy and Biblical Studies.

Tradition has it that he began his lecture the first day after returning from four years' imprisonment with the words "as we were saying yesterday..."

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:23 PM

View PostGrabthaw the Hammerslayer, on 09 May 2010 - 04:42 PM, said:

OK

Hee hee I feel so naughty :D Couldn't resist.
:lol:
That made me laugh.  A lot!

So this jury member reckons you have the best joke so far...
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:29 PM

View PostAleHop, on 09 May 2010 - 04:57 PM, said:

Ok? How can you agree that Webber doesn't deserve a Red Bull after such a brilliant win in Spain!!!! Posted Image
Agree with this post.
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:41 PM

Georgie, Argento - we need to get together to sort this out dudes. Do both of you have MSN?
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#7 Grabthaw the Hammerslayer

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 09:04 PM

View PostAleHop, on 09 May 2010 - 04:57 PM, said:

Ok? How can you agree that Webber doesn't deserve a Red Bull after such a brilliant win in Spain!!!! Posted Image

Maybe he wasn't thirsty? Posted Image

   The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch

   Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the hell is the ceiling?

   I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
  

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 09:14 PM

*dribbler opens door and sees the group sitting around naked in their clicky little mass debating sect. He closes the door.*
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 09:27 PM

View Postdribbler, on 09 May 2010 - 09:14 PM, said:

*dribbler opens door and sees the group sitting around naked in their clicky little mass debating sect. He closes the door.*

Grabthaw who had been sitting in the room in the dark shouts: "Hey, lemmee out!"

:)

   The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch

   Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the hell is the ceiling?

   I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
  

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 09:44 PM

View PostGrabthaw the Hammerslayer, on 09 May 2010 - 09:04 PM, said:

Maybe he wasn't thirsty? Posted Image
At least you'll agree that he deserves an ice-cream. Raikkonen didn't need to be thirsty to have a Red Bull.



View Postdribbler, on 09 May 2010 - 09:14 PM, said:

*dribbler opens door and sees the group sitting around naked in their clicky little mass debating sect. He closes the door.*

View PostGrabthaw the Hammerslayer, on 09 May 2010 - 09:27 PM, said:

Grabthaw who had been sitting in the room in the dark shouts: "Hey, lemmee out!"

Posted Image
Posted Image

Fray Luis de León said:

As we were saying yesterday...
Fray Luis de León wrote mystical poems which prompted Cervantes to proclaim León "a genius who astounds the world and who, in ecstasy, might rob us of our senses." León was also an active man who taught at the University of Salamanca, translated classical and biblical literature, and wrote on religious themes. Twice denounced before the Inquisition, he was imprisoned for "heresy," though he returned to the University to later hold the chairs of Moral Philosophy and Biblical Studies.

Tradition has it that he began his lecture the first day after returning from four years' imprisonment with the words "as we were saying yesterday..."

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:21 PM

View PostKopite Girl, on 09 May 2010 - 07:41 PM, said:

Georgie, Argento - we need to get together to sort this out dudes. Do both of you have MSN?

I'm honoured to be chosen, but, I'm going to have to opt out of this particular debate! Like I said in my original post on this matter, I'm happy to step in every now and then with my 2 cents, but what I meant to imply was that I can't really be involved in a proper debate at the moment (at least not in a format where I'm relied on to lead it or post anything useful) - reason being I'm too busy with various things and can't guarantee I'll be on the forum that much.

Sorry guys and girls!

Nevertheless I will follow it with interest and will hopefully be chosen for a future debate. Good luck all.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 11:59 PM

View PostThe Professor, on 09 May 2010 - 10:21 PM, said:

I'm honoured to be chosen, but, I'm going to have to opt out of this particular debate! Like I said in my original post on this matter, I'm happy to step in every now and then with my 2 cents, but what I meant to imply was that I can't really be involved in a proper debate at the moment (at least not in a format where I'm relied on to lead it or post anything useful) - reason being I'm too busy with various things and can't guarantee I'll be on the forum that much.

Sorry guys and girls!

Nevertheless I will follow it with interest and will hopefully be chosen for a future debate. Good luck all.

Okay george - I'll swap you for someone else and let them know.

Inevetibly - it seems like the attempt to raise the tone failed dismally at the first hurdle.:o shock.

Let's see if (once Andres makes his intro) we can steer the thread back on track.

I think this is a great idea Steph's had and it'd be a shame for us just to revert to our usual idiocy (I'll mention no names).

*coughGurtrudetheHornSuckercough*

PS - Dribs - I had managed to refrain from using the massdebater joke for a whole week - you just had to do it didn't you. :lol:

Let's hope after Andres' intro we can have a decent debate.

Meanwhile any posts can be put in Steph's debate idea thread, or alternatively, shoved sideways up your rectum :P

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 12:40 AM

View Postdribbler, on 09 May 2010 - 09:14 PM, said:

*dribbler opens door and sees the group sitting around naked in their clicky little mass debating sect. He closes the door.*

Me, naked. With this lot. You're kidding right?

Mass clique? Well, stop being a pussy and put your name down and get naked too. Thank you, that is all.
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 07:01 AM

View PostKopite Girl, on 10 May 2010 - 12:40 AM, said:

Me, naked. With this lot. You're kidding right?

Mass clique? Well, stop being a pussy and put your name down and get naked too. Thank you, that is all.

I never got invited. *sniffing and violin music can be heard*. But I am naked.
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 08:00 AM

View Postadamstrags, on 09 May 2010 - 11:59 PM, said:

I think this is a great idea Steph's had and it'd be a shame for us just to revert to our usual idiocy (I'll mention no names).

I like our usual idiocy. It's comfortable.
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 09:14 AM

View PostAutumnpuma, on 10 May 2010 - 08:00 AM, said:

I like our usual idiocy. It's comfortable.

Ssshhhhh, the grown ups are talking downstairs, I think they're going to argue again....  :lol:




Agreed btw Mike!
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 10:37 AM

View Postdribbler, on 10 May 2010 - 07:01 AM, said:

I never got invited. *sniffing and violin music can be heard*. But I am naked.

I told you to let the coke sniffing violin player go. Its against the law to kidnap someone.

Are you in or out?

I have just left myself wide open to remarks with that one.

And that.

So?
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 11:02 AM

View Postdribbler, on 10 May 2010 - 07:01 AM, said:

I never got invited. *sniffing and violin music can be heard*. But I am naked.
:lol:

View PostAutumnpuma, on 10 May 2010 - 08:00 AM, said:

I like our usual idiocy. It's comfortable.
:D true true

oh well.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 11:46 AM

View PostKopite Girl, on 10 May 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

I have just left myself wide open

No change there then :D

(runs and hides)

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   Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the hell is the ceiling?

   I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
  

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 11:48 AM

View Postadamstrags, on 10 May 2010 - 11:02 AM, said:

*reengages idiot mode*

If its any comfort, I didn't realise it had been switched off :P :D :D :D

   The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch

   Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the hell is the ceiling?

   I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
  

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 12:23 PM

View PostKopite Girl, on 10 May 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

I have just left myself wide open

Hell of a draught in here, with the fish market just down the road 'n all  :lol:
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 12:34 PM

View PostGrabthaw the Hammerslayer, on 10 May 2010 - 11:48 AM, said:

If its any comfort, I didn't realise it had been switched off :P :D :D :D

Bugger off Chris, the humanoid known as 'Adam' hasn't been programmed with 'idiot mode' yet, the team are still trying to fix the Seriously Troubled & Rabid Android Geek Syndrome glitch in his circuitronics thingamabobby.

:P

Edited by medilloni, 10 May 2010 - 12:35 PM.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 12:41 PM

View Postmedilloni, on 10 May 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

Bugger off Chris, the humanoid known as 'Adam' hasn't been programmed with 'idiot mode' yet, the team are still trying to fix the Seriously Troubled & Rabid Android Geek Syndrome glitch in his circuitronics thingamabobby.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 01:32 PM

Well, I guess this is the end of it.
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 01:56 PM

Guys. Seriously. Stop f*cking about now. Especially you, Chris.

There's a multitude of other threads you could p**s about in. Adam, start a new one. Bruce or Ecap, lock this one.

I'd really like to see if it could work. Yes, I know I got caught up too - but you're taking the p**s now. Behave.

Anybody dares to put a smart arse remark after this comment has got it coming to them and I mean it.

You've been told. Don't p**s me off.

Thats all.
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 01:57 PM

View PostQuiet One, on 10 May 2010 - 01:32 PM, said:

Well, I guess this is the end of it.

Nonsense Andres, just go for it dude - we're just chatting in the foyer, in anticipation of the start.  ;)
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 02:13 PM

View PostQuiet One, on 10 May 2010 - 01:32 PM, said:

Well, I guess this is the end of it.


View PostKopite Girl, on 10 May 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

Guys. Seriously. Stop f*cking about now. Especially you, Chris.

There's a multitude of other threads you could p**s about in. Adam, start a new one. Bruce or Ecap, lock this one.

I'd really like to see if it could work. Yes, I know I got caught up too - but you're taking the p**s now. Behave.

Anybody dares to put a smart arse remark after this comment has got it coming to them and I mean it.

You've been told. Don't p**s me off.

Thats all.

I suggest I don't start a new thread now. It'll just get jumped on again.

How about this - when Andres is ready to do his intro he can then copy and paste my starting post with the teams, format and other stuff before he posts his intro. Then the debaters can get going. Sound okay?
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 02:27 PM

View PostKopite Girl, on 10 May 2010 - 01:56 PM, said:

Guys. Seriously. Stop f*cking about now. Especially you, Chris.

There's a multitude of other threads you could p**s about in. Adam, start a new one. Bruce or Ecap, lock this one.

I'd really like to see if it could work. Yes, I know I got caught up too - but you're taking the p**s now. Behave.

Anybody dares to put a smart arse remark after this comment has got it coming to them and I mean it.

You've been told. Don't p**s me off.

Thats all.

ooooOOOOOooooo get you!

No-one's started debating yet, and I'm not knocking the process.

Jeez lighten up people.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 02:33 PM

View Postadamstrags, on 10 May 2010 - 02:13 PM, said:

I suggest I don't start a new thread now. It'll just get jumped on again.

How about this - when Andres is ready to do his intro he can then copy and paste my starting post with the teams, format and other stuff before he posts his intro. Then the debaters can get going. Sound okay?


...and I promise not to mess about once you've done that...


   The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch

   Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the hell is the ceiling?

   I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
  

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 03:07 PM

View PostGrabthaw the Hammerslayer, on 10 May 2010 - 02:27 PM, said:

ooooOOOOOooooo get you!

No-one's started debating yet, and I'm not knocking the process.

Jeez lighten up people.

Chris. Quit it. I didn't say you were knocking the process did I?

I'm asking you nicely to be nice.  

Ok?

Edited by Kopite Girl, 10 May 2010 - 03:11 PM.

In the sweetest child, there's a vicious streak.
In the strongest man, there's a child so weak.
In the whole wide world, there's no magic place.
So you might as well rise, put on your bravest face.

Though we might have precious little...
It's still precious.

Rush - Bravest Face
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