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[ipaneda]

Schumikonen, on Sep 10 2006, 11:28 AM, said:

He did, it's a mistake stay in front of a driver that is in his flying lap when you are in your out lap, that's is a rule and if you don't obey this rule you get penalized.

The rule is also that you should yield to the car following you if you go straight in a chicane, unless you are Schumi, in that case you can take advantage of going straight to maintain position (see Hungary!!!). Rules apply to all except Schumi. He is not up to par with Alonso and he knows it... Has not passed him once and was completly outclassed in Hungary.

Lets hope for rain today and Alonso will lap him within lap 20....

[narain fan]

dribbler, on Sep 10 2006, 11:37 AM, said:

Cav, that's a stupid remark if i may say so. Some people can be extremely offended by the blasphemous nature of the use of the name Christ so be a little more diplomatic, and less retarded and moronic.

oh really ,u still believe India is under Lord Mountbatten,Dont u .
Earn some respect , dont  demand .....  

Edited by narain fan, 10 September 2006 - 10:14 AM.

[Schumikonen]

ipaneda, on Sep 10 2006, 05:44 AM, said:

The rule is also that you should yield to the car following you if you go straight in a chicane, unless you are Schumi, in that case you can take advantage of going straight to maintain position (see Hungary!!!). Rules apply to all except Schumi. He is not up to par with Alonso and he knows it... Has not passed him once and was completly outclassed in Hungary.

Lets hope for rain today and Alonso will lap him within lap 20....

Didn't you read that Alonso did the same in Monaco and he wasn't penalized eather, he went straight to a chicane and he didn't yield to Webber, you can find that video in internet if you don't have the monaco race recorded.

[narain fan]

snip
double post
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Edited by narain fan, 10 September 2006 - 10:14 AM.

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narain fan, on Sep 10 2006, 08:06 PM, said:

oh really ,u still believe India is under Lord Mountbatten,Dont u .
Earn some respect , dont  demand .....  

Why do you even bother posting?

[Player(1)]

Alonso slightly disturbed Massa's aero making him go faster on the backstraight.....cry me a river!

Breaking News:
Massa complains the wind didnt blow the right way for him, stewards summon mother nature.

Atleast we can expect Renault to give as good as they get if a Ferrari ever get's in Alonso/Fifi's sights for the rest of the quali sessions this year.

[Schumikonen]

Reigning World Champion Fernando Alonso said Sunday he no longer considered Formula One a sport after being dropped to tenth place on the starting grid.

The Renault driver was demoted from fifth after race Stewards blamed him for an incident in the final stages of Saturday's dramatic qualifying session. Championship leader Alonso was ruled to have blocked Ferrari's Brazilian driver Felipe Massa.

The Spaniard complained before the start of the Italian Grand Prix: "I like Formula One but after what happened I can no longer call it a sport."

Renault were so incensed by what they see as an injustice that they showed video footage of the incident to reporters.

Alonso added: "If that's what they call blocking, then how are we supposed to drive these days ... if that's the minimum distance?"

The FIA said after qualifying that Alonso had been at fault, blocking Massa after the Brazilian had caught up with him.  
But despite scrapping his best three qualifying times the FIA admitted that Alonso had not deliberately been at fault.

Alonso endured a difficult problem-hit session in which he suffered a high-speed puncture and tyre blow-out. Alonso said before Saturday's hearing that he did not believe that Massa had any reason to complain.

"There is nothing to say. Massa complained about me blocking his lap. I did my out lap to the maximum, but I didn't block anyone. He was 300 to 400 metres behind me so he got a better tow off me. There should be no complaint..."

As I can see somebody is lying here Alonso siad that Massa was 300 or 400 meters ahead and Symonds said this:
The only notable incident during the lap was a 'lift' or 'wobble' on the throttle in Parabolica, as Alonso's Renault loomed about 100 metres ahead.[u]

So or Alonso is a lier or Massa was getting closer to him and was really blocked by alonso, what you thing about this?

[narain fan]

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 03:46 PM, said:

Why do you even bother posting?

thats  none of your business

[ipaneda]

Schumikonen, on Sep 10 2006, 12:07 PM, said:

Didn't you read that Alonso did the same in Monaco and he wasn't penalized eather, he went straight to a chicane and he didn't yield to Webber, you can find that video in internet if you don't have the monaco race recorded.

You mean the race in which Schumi showed the world how to park an F1 car? Since you are so good with the videos, why dont you find me one of Schumi overtaking Alonso...

No, I don´t remenber Alonso bloking Webber, but I am sure it wasnt as blunt and as repetitive as Schumi´s on de la Rosa...

[UrKo]

ipaneda, on Sep 10 2006, 12:42 PM, said:

Since you are so good with the videos, why dont you find me one of Schumi overtaking Alonso...

I think MS overtook FA only when he was driving for Minardi...       

[Sato]

So then, Massa got a problem in ONE corner? I see... Im not sure on this rule in quali, but if its like anything in the race, doesn't he get to screw him 3 times? (3 blue flags..)

Anyway, if Massa got that cloase in the last time he must of got a slip down the striahgt before hand, otherwise he wouldn't of been in a distance to be screwed in the corner itself. So that would of evened it out abit....

Wasn't Massa down on the splits anyway?

[UrKo]

Sato, on Sep 10 2006, 12:58 PM, said:

Wasn't Massa down on the splits anyway?

First and 3rd i think....

I think he was up on the 2nd.....   

[dribbler]

narain fan, on Sep 10 2006, 11:06 AM, said:

oh really ,u still believe India is under Lord Mountbatten,Dont u .
Earn some respect , dont  demand .....  

When i want your opinion, i'll ask for it. You are a petulant Sh#t stirrer who sticks his nose in when it isn't asked for. From now on i will treat your posts with the acknowledgement they deserve; i will ignore them. Whilst we're on the subject, i find your inability to structure, spell and punctuate frustrating and indicative of your ignorance.

You act as though stupidity is a virtue.

[Player(1)]

UrKo, on Sep 10 2006, 12:00 PM, said:

I think he was up on the 2nd.....   

hmmm I wonder if Symonds saying Massa got a tow down the back straight has any bearing on that

[UrKo]

Schumikonen, on Sep 10 2006, 12:28 PM, said:

As I can see somebody is lying here Alonso siad that Massa was 300 or 400 meters ahead and Symonds said this:
The only notable incident during the lap was a 'lift' or 'wobble' on the throttle in Parabolica, as Alonso's Renault loomed about 100 metres ahead.[u]

So or Alonso is a lier or Massa was getting closer to him and was really blocked by alonso, what you thing about this?

When FA came out of the pits he was 300-400 m infornt, bu going into parabolica or start/finish line the distance was hm..............lets say 100-150m ??.....it was less than it was in S2 or S3....

Massa gained only coz FA entered parabolica turn slower than FM!

[narain fan]

dribbler, on Sep 10 2006, 04:31 PM, said:

When i want your opinion, i'll ask for it. You are a petulant Sh#t stirrer who sticks his nose in when it isn't asked for. From now on i will treat your posts with the acknowledgement they deserve; i will ignore them. Whilst we're on the subject, i find your inability to structure, spell and punctuate frustrating and indicative of your ignorance.

You act as though stupidity is a virtue.

so you prove one thing, you have no objectivity.
i say this because you  poke your dirty nose and   ASK  cavallino to be "diplomatic"  *cough* when you  yourself behave as though  cavallino deserves no respect. you  call him names and ask him not to use the word "CHRIST"   ,and then when i post in this open forum, you say
When i want your opinion, i'll ask for it
as though i am inclined to oblidge,no i wont. this is not your forum and i  certainly wont post in a forum  run by the likes of  you .... and certainly wont  act according to the whims and fancies of a moron .
and what's with u complaining about my "punctuation" ,anyway as deluded idiots like you  dont deserve to read any better, i wont make any effort to change anything,coz anyway it is Sh#t stirrers  like you who has a problem. and i wont be intimidated by any dim witted  person (to put it mildly)

[Ctrl300]

dribbler, on Sep 10 2006, 09:01 PM, said:

When i want your opinion, i'll ask for it. You are a petulant Sh#t stirrer who sticks his nose in when it isn't asked for. From now on i will treat your posts with the acknowledgement they deserve; i will ignore them. Whilst we're on the subject, i find your inability to structure, spell and punctuate frustrating and indicative of your ignorance.

You act as though stupidity is a virtue.

I could not have said it better myself

[wasin]

Schumikonen, on Sep 10 2006, 12:07 PM, said:

Didn't you read that Alonso did the same in Monaco and he wasn't penalized eather, he went straight to a chicane and he didn't yield to Webber, you can find that video in internet if you don't have the monaco race recorded.

As I see it, Webber went straight and Alonso had to do the same so as not to collide with him. Back then, both of them went across the chicane.

[demonhorse]

I guess now the Renault fans know what it felt like to be Ferrari at Monaco... about time some large team other than Ferrari got punished....

[Ctrl300]

demonhorse, on Sep 10 2006, 09:24 PM, said:

I guess now the Renault fans know what it felt like to be Ferrari at Monaco... about time some large team other than Ferrari got punished....

How can you compare the two????

"Farewell Gift": Italian Newspaper Gazzeta dello Sport about Alonso's punishment. I guess that sums it up.

[c21]

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 11:26 AM, said:

How can you compare the two????

"Farewell Gift": Italian Newspaper Gazzeta dello Sport about Alonso's punishment. I guess that sums it up.

Dead right!

[UrKo]

demonhorse, on Sep 10 2006, 01:24 PM, said:

I guess now the Renault fans know what it felt like to be Ferrari at Monaco... about time some large team other than Ferrari got punished....

I guess you werent watching Hungary right??? Or r u blind / deaf???

Ferrari should get more penalties than any1 else for the stupidity and cheatings they did / do!!!!

[demonhorse]

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 12:26 PM, said:

How can you compare the two????

Quite easily... drivers making mistakes and stewards being stupidly harsh with their reactions, both teams furious after the decisions.... ring any bells? I do hope you're not blinded by the anti-Schumacher bias that is prevalent on this forum.

I bet no-one will be calling for goldenboy Alonso to quit now though... because that kind of bulls##t is reserved for Schumacher...

Edited by demonhorse, 10 September 2006 - 11:30 AM.

[UrKo]

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 01:26 PM, said:

How can you compare the two????

"Farewell Gift": Italian Newspaper Gazzeta dello Sport about Alonso's punishment. I guess that sums it up.

Good to see some Italians understand what this is!    

Ok....im off to watch preview and the race....

Edited by UrKo, 10 September 2006 - 11:30 AM.

[Ctrl300]

demonhorse, on Sep 10 2006, 09:29 PM, said:

Quite easily... drivers making mistakes and stewards being stupidly harsh with their reactions, both teams furious after the decisions.... ring any bells? I do hope you're not blinded by the anti-Schumacher bias that is prevalent on this forum.

I bet no-one will be calling for goldenboy Alonso to quit now though... because that kind of bulls##t is reserved for Schumacher...

You are just all over the place with your arguments. If you can't even make a decent defence why try to defend the penalty at all?
Although you are a Ferrari you surely must have some common sense, or do you switch that off when you get on the internet to discuss F1?

[demonhorse]

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 12:34 PM, said:

You are just all over the place with your arguments. If you can't even make a decent defence why try to defend the penalty at all?
Although you are a Ferrari you surely must have some common sense, or do you switch that off when you get on the internet to discuss F1?

Answer my questions before you pose your own.... well avoided there... not.   

For a start I didn't say the penalty was right or wrong, I just said it makes a change for stewards to take action against a large team that isn't Ferrari, if you see anything else in that, you are assuming.
How is that an argument that is all over the place?

Seems I have more common sense than you and don't read things that aren't there into other's comments, which is exactly what you just did.

Edited by demonhorse, 10 September 2006 - 11:42 AM.

[Ctrl300]

demonhorse, on Sep 10 2006, 09:38 PM, said:

Answer my questions before you pose your own.... well avoided there... not.   

For a start I didn't say the penalty was right or wrong, I just said it makes a change for stewards to take action against a large team that isn't Ferrari, if you see anything else in that, you are assuming.
How is that an argument that is all over the place?

Seems I have more common sense than you and don't read things that aren't there into other's comments, which is exactly what you just did.

Which question are you refering to?

And the stewards taking action against a team that is not Ferrari? Which planet are you on? Do you even follow the sport or do you merely pop up on the forum every now and then, post some biased BS, and then retreat to your own private little universe?

[demonhorse]

Thank you Mr Mosely... telling Martin Brundle as it is.

"You think that because you don't know the facts"

Ctrl300, on Sep 10 2006, 12:48 PM, said:

Which question are you refering to?

And the stewards taking action against a team that is not Ferrari? Which planet are you on? Do you even follow the sport or do you merely pop up on the forum every now and then, post some biased BS, and then retreat to your own private little universe?

Hmmm you're turning this into a personal attack...  it sounds like you are even more biased than I. At least  I admit I'm Ferrari to the core...

[Ctrl300]

demonhorse, on Sep 10 2006, 09:50 PM, said:

Thank you Mr Mosely... telling Martin Brundle as it is.

"You think that because you don't know the facts"
Hmmm you're turning this into a personal attack...  it sounds like you are even more biased than I. At least  I admit I'm Ferrari to the core...

Being Ferrari 'to the core', as you put it, does not mean you have to be biased 'to the core' as well.

Claiming that the FIA have targeted and punished Ferrari and their drivers is so far fetched you have to live on another planet in order to make such an observation.

[cavallino]

Wonderful, one day the whole paddock unites against Michael, he gets punished and the steward is the new god, then when Alonso gets punished, the whole paddock unites against him and says the championship is fixed and he is corrupt. Is the whole world cray? Am I the only one who can see the hypocrisy?