Supercar Market To Heat Up!!!!!!

[Jean Todt 4]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080617.009/ne...mes-out-to-play

Honda were hardly likely to leave Nissan and Toyota to steal all the thunder in the supercar market as they look to provide some serious competition with its new NSX. Previously we had only seen prototypes of the new model sporting the body of the S2000, but now for the first time the model has come out showing its new body styling albeit with the annoying black and white camoflage.

Unlike the previous mid-engined NSX this prototype is running a front-mid engine, with its powerplant placed well behind the front wheels to ensure excellent weight distribution. This should also allow the new NSX to offer 2+2 cabin accommodation, broadening its appeal against the Nissan GT-R and Lexus LF-A - particularly in the USA.

What that engine is remains very much a mystery. There

[Eric 0]

"Market" isn't the best word. Supercar battle may be heating up, but the rising price of gas, the automotive market in general is on the down (at least in the US), and the only things on the rise are the Honda Civic and Honda Fit. But yes, there is more supercar competition. They just won't sell as well.

Or maybe not. If you can buy a supercar, you can probably afford gas.

[dribbler 6]

A new NSX, breathed on by Button, maybe? Doesn't really sound as good as one breathed on by Ayrton, does it? In truth, Ayrton had about as much input on the development as Flavio does on the 'low fat range' in Renault's catering caravan. It was all lovely P.R. though.

Honda are all gloomy about Nissan kicking Porsche in the bollocks and think they should get some nice big boots and have a go too, that's all.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

Yes, but Honda do have a bit of an image problem... What do you think of when you think Honda - I think of old people with bottle-bottom glasses driving their accord to the post office. That and "good engines".

Of course they have the engineering prowess to make a superb car, but I think it will be forever tarnished by their image. Let's be honest if you had the money, you'd probably rather buy an Aston, Lambo or Ferrari.... (and the old NSX was a bit of a strange one as I understand it).

[mikathegreat2 2]

Yay a new NSX! I've always liked them, not powerful but they were still great!

[Jean Todt 4]

A new NSX, breathed on by Button, maybe? Doesn't really sound as good as one breathed on by Ayrton, does it? In truth, Ayrton had about as much input on the development as Flavio does on the 'low fat range' in Renault's catering caravan. It was all lovely P.R. though.

Honda are all gloomy about Nissan kicking Porsche in the bollocks and think they should get some nice big boots and have a go too, that's all.

The NSX was too perfect to enjoy.

[Jean Todt 4]

"Market" isn't the best word. Supercar battle may be heating up, but the rising price of gas, the automotive market in general is on the down (at least in the US), and the only things on the rise are the Honda Civic and Honda Fit. But yes, there is more supercar competition. They just won't sell as well.

Or maybe not. If you can buy a supercar, you can probably afford gas.

It is absolutely a market, supercars are more marketing elements than sheer piece of engineering showcase these days. For example the Ferrari California. It was suposed to be a 2+2 coupe instead of 2+ hard top convert. It was puerly crap marketing stuff rather than keeping tradition flowing because some marketing nerds did their research by asking some American people who did't even know how to hold a golf stick if they would like to have their golf club in their new Ferrari which is also a Hard top convert, then they said, 'Oh yea oh yea, that would be coool!' and those nerds said, okay, lets tell those designers in Pininfarina, and screwed the meaning of a Ferrari. Trust me, those guys were not comfortable with those nerds. Now Porsche are rumoured to be developing a Golf sized car!

There are very few real supercars. Some have names which is difficult to spell. But all those are in Middle east, with guys who don't even have an account of how many cars they have.

[Rainmaster 7]

If I was buying a supercar Honda wouldn't be the first place I'd look.

[Eric 0]

Yes, but Honda do have a bit of an image problem... What do you think of when you think Honda - I think of old people with bottle-bottom glasses driving their accord to the post office. That and "good engines".

Like you?

I think of me, personally. I have an overload of Honda-engined things.

I got to ride in an NSX once. Didn't get to drive it, though.

[Rainmaster 7]

I got to ride in an NSX once. Didn't get to drive it, though.

Was there much room in the boot?

[F1 FANatic 1]

If I was buying a supercar Honda wouldn't be the first place I'd look.

I have to agree. And there is a big difference in what is called a supercar. A Ferrari or Meclaren or Lambo or a Spyker or whatever other European supercar builders have a very different definition for supercar then Honda or Toyota.

[Rainmaster 7]

I have to agree. And there is a big difference in what is called a supercar. A Ferrari or Meclaren or Lambo or a Spyker or whatever other European supercar builders have a very different definition for supercar then Honda or Toyota.

Indeed!

[monza gorilla 1]

Yes, but Honda do have a bit of an image problem... What do you think of when you think Honda - I think of old people with bottle-bottom glasses driving their accord to the post office. That and "good engines".

Are you stalking me?

[dribbler 6]

Yes, but Honda do have a bit of an image problem... What do you think of when you think Honda - I think of old people with bottle-bottom glasses driving their accord to the post office. That and "good engines".

Of course they have the engineering prowess to make a superb car, but I think it will be forever tarnished by their image. Let's be honest if you had the money, you'd probably rather buy an Aston, Lambo or Ferrari.... (and the old NSX was a bit of a strange one as I understand it).

Honda are a strange one in that respect. One the one hand, they do have a slightly dowdy image, which i'm sure does hurt their ability to excite any potential supercar buyers, but on the other hand their engineering prowess and reputation for those screaming 1500cc 12 potters makes me want one, specifically an NSX. Remember, the NSX brought not only affordability to the market but useability too. That and the 911 are the only two real viable everyday propositions.

Or maybe that's the problem with Honda; If you buy a supercar there is that element of accepting the fragility of exotica and in some way that makes it appealing. Like a racy woman who gives awesome head but could fly off the handle if you treat her wrong (or a tasteful and appropriate analogy).

Porsche have managed it with the 911 but that's happened through careful and brilliant evolution; The 911 has pedigree as a brand. The NSX had nothing.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

Like a racy woman who gives awesome head but could fly off the handle if you treat her wrong (or a tasteful and appropriate analogy).

Yeah but a Honda is more like your slightly mad, half-deaf aunty, who was a bit of a go-er in her day and can still boogie on down at your nephew's wedding.... but you rather not end up getting stuck in a lift with her.

[Jean Todt 4]

Was there much room in the boot?

you mean cupholders?

[Jean Todt 4]

Honda are a strange one in that respect. One the one hand, they do have a slightly dowdy image, which i'm sure does hurt their ability to excite any potential supercar buyers, but on the other hand their engineering prowess and reputation for those screaming 1500cc 12 potters makes me want one, specifically an NSX. Remember, the NSX brought not only affordability to the market but useability too. That and the 911 are the only two real viable everyday propositions.

Or maybe that's the problem with Honda; If you buy a supercar there is that element of accepting the fragility of exotica and in some way that makes it appealing. Like a racy woman who gives awesome head but could fly off the handle if you treat her wrong (or a tasteful and appropriate analogy).

Porsche have managed it with the 911 but that's happened through careful and brilliant evolution; The 911 has pedigree as a brand. The NSX had nothing.

But Porshce are going crazy with too many variants too. Its loosing its exotic touch.

[dribbler 6]

But Porshce are going crazy with too many variants too. Its loosing its exotic touch.

If Porsche was going to be in trouble from a lack of exotica, it would have happened with the 924; that had a VW engine. They survived that and seem to be doing alright, even with that ghastly Cayenne Chelsea tractor thingy.

What they need now is what they are doing next; The four door Panamerra.

[Jean Todt 4]

If Porsche was going to be in trouble from a lack of exotica, it would have happened with the 924; that had a VW engine. They survived that and seem to be doing alright, even with that ghastly Cayenne Chelsea tractor thingy.

What they need now is what they are doing next; The four door Panamerra.

Its okay as long as they have bigger variants. We know that Cayenne has contributed for more than half of the sales, so would Panamerra contribute a chunk of sales. But what should one tell about this?

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080608.005/po...entry-level-car

[Jean Todt 4]

Honda should be faster than GTR.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080619.003/ho...aster-than-gt-r

[YHR 0]

I just got myself a Caymen. No supercar, but sure is fun to drive. My teenage daughter doesn't even use the CD player. Just loves to hear the engine behind her ears spool up.

I guess at the track they do very well giving the rear engined Carrera's a real challenge. I haven't had that experience yet with it. Once I get the first rock chip, then maybe I'll take it to the track.

[Eric 0]

I just got myself a Caymen. No supercar, but sure is fun to drive. My teenage daughter doesn't even use the CD player. Just loves to hear the engine behind her ears spool up.

I guess at the track they do very well giving the rear engined Carrera's a real challenge. I haven't had that experience yet with it. Once I get the first rock chip, then maybe I'll take it to the track.

Very nice! The Cayman (base, not S) is the only sensible "nice car" I know of. 20/29 mpg (albeit on premium) is manageable, and it's just a nice looking car. Not a really bad price, either, though it's a little out of my range for now.

[YHR 0]

Very nice! The Cayman (base, not S) is the only sensible "nice car" I know of. 20/29 mpg (albeit on premium) is manageable, and it's just a nice looking car. Not a really bad price, either, though it's a little out of my range for now.

That is what I thought too. I think it is the nicest looking Porsche made. I end up driving it so much I still am burning up a lot of fuel though. It has been a long time since I just took a car out for a drive. Now I do it every evening!!!!!!!

[cavallino 2]

I just got myself a Caymen.

Good work. One day you'll learn to spell it too

[YHR 0]

Oops

Not sure what happened there.

Maybe I was wishing I had bought two!!!! Caymen pl of Cayman, named after the small alligator with the actual spelling of caimen.