Is Webber A Jerk?

[nichosnz 0]

hay dude do you think that im 2 years old or somthing. and your right things do change thats why BAR finshed 2nd in the WCC this year and not 5th or 6th. Your right nojv JB should have finshed 1st in more than one race but the fact is that he did not but do you thunk that JV chould have finshed first in any racers this year. now Let me just check somthing who desinged the 2003 car and who desinged the 2004 car and who was the team boss in both years and also who made the engines now if im right they are the same people for both years and in that case i whould think that it was the same team by more than just name.

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No I don't think you are 2. early-mid teens? maybe?

JV would have won a race this year in the BAR (so long as he had Button's engine not Sato's)

About the differences between the '03 and '04 cars, almost irrelevant. I say this because of what I said earlier. That the '03 BAR was the best (if not, the 2nd best) chassis in '03, it just had the wrong tyres and an unreliable & heavy engine. between '03 and '04 BAR changed tyre co's and Honda almost completly redesigned the engine making it lighter and very much more reliable (although TS may want to argue).

[Sato 0]

What reason did he have to open his mouth and kick someone while he was down.

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How exactly is Pizza boy down? the guy is a good chance to get a seat he doesn't deserve, thats hardly down

[webber 0]

Very feeble Sato.

[Sato 0]

You can't call someone a jerk for calling somoene a name or a liar, its the same thing, your using double standards, but thats not been my main point at all, im just trying to show them that the Minardi 5th place i hardly the best thing webber has done.

[webber 0]

im with you Sato i dont under stand why they are calling Webber a Jerk and yes i know what your trying to say hes had a lot of great drivers like at Germany this year and Austria last year and Quli in Malaysia all of which he was in a team that had no money and little testing.

[webber 0]

No I don't think you are 2.  early-mid teens? maybe?

JV would have won a race this year in the BAR (so long as he had Button's engine not Sato's)

About the differences between the '03 and '04 cars, almost irrelevant.  I say this because of what I said earlier.  That the '03 BAR was the best (if not, the 2nd best) chassis in '03, it just had the wrong tyres and an unreliable & heavy engine.  between '03 and '04 BAR changed tyre co's and Honda almost completly redesigned the engine making it lighter and very much more reliable (although TS may want to argue).

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yea i see what you mean but the mane reasion why Honda pushed the engine was because Sao was now racing and with out that the engine whould probly be just as bad as last year.

[Sato 0]

im bookmarking this thread, and im going to revive it when webber is belting pizza boy if he has the drive, if not when he is doing well and scoring plenty of points with good drives

[AutoRacer5 0]

*In movie preview voice* Now the stage is set, Will Webber beat Pizzonia? Will we ever settle this debate? When will I stop asking these questions?

[rotaryboy 0]

webber was outta line saying those things. what was he thinking? if hes so good why does he have to say that. he could have just said "well see come march wont we?" that would have been so much better.

maybe he should hang out with montoya some more as theyll be able to bitch about the other drivers all the time.

[nojvnof1 0]

Thats how i do gears when i play f1 games anyway i never bother looking at revs.  As for what has MW achived, a solid start to a career moving up to bigger teams regularly. Now he is in a pretty decent one lets see how it pans out.

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mate, seriously, how can you compare video games to actually driving the balls off such a car??

As for Williams picking Webber over Villeneuve, so what?? JV's had his time at Williams and won the title, he had a shot and took it, we'll see what Webber does should he be lucky enough to have a shot at the title. Besides, Sam Michael is a big shot in the team now and has a big say in the runnings of the team. It's well known that he's anti-JV, even though Patrick Head, and Sir Frank, even moreso, were willing to trial JV. Sir Frank has always stated JV would be welcomed into the team and always had good words for him, but JV would have been walking into a political minefield and after what happened at BAR.... It was also reported in Spain a while back that Webber had an anti-JV clause in his contract, don't know the truth in this, but that's what was reported.

[Sato 0]

JV fans have so many conspiracys, honestly its getting out of hand. As for the video game thing im not saying its as hard as real life by any means, what im saying is playing gears by ears isn't all that hard.

[webber 0]

mate, seriously, how can you compare video games to actually driving the balls off such a car??

As for Williams picking Webber over Villeneuve

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ummm no one was talking about Williams picking Webber over JV we just well i just started at Jv because you started at Webber.

and about the gears did not they hay a semi auto gear box that year.

[Kaciaj 0]

I DON'T THINK THAT A DRIVER WHO HAS NEVER WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP (NEITHER IN KART) CAN WIN THE ULTIMATE GOAL,THE F.1 WORLD CROWN.....BUT DAMON HILL DID IT SO IT SHOWS THAT IMPOSSIBLE DOESN'T EXISTS IN F.1 AND WEBBER MAY DO SO NOW WITH THE RIGHT CAR.....BUT 1996 WAS ANOTHER ERA....(HOWEVER..IF WEBBER HAS WON NOTHING,PIZZONIA HAS WON A LOT OF NATIONAL KARTING TITLES,F.VAUXHALL,F.RENAULT AND F.3 BRITISH CHAMPIONSHIPS THREE IN A ROW FROM '98 TO 2000...)

[kiko01 0]

Pizzonia shouldnt even be in f1, he's about as useful as Pedro Diniz. Him and Webber are both pathetic. If I was Frank Williams I'd have DC and Davidson!! No jerks there

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What a bloody hell has Pedro Diniz to do in this argue? I

[Shadow 0]

Don't know about Webber's anti-JV clause but after he signed he stated openly that he would'nt like JV as team-mate. But I don't see a team like Williams allowing Webber( who is yet to win a race) dictate terms to them before signing.

[webber 0]

Don't know about Webber's anti-JV clause but after he signed he stated openly that he would'nt like JV as team-mate. But I don't see a team like Williams allowing Webber( who is yet to win a race) dictate terms to them before signing.

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Toyota are let R$ do it and well Webber is a much better driver than R$.

Kaciaj: it mean's nothing that Webber has not won a thing in lower grades and AP has. look at them now Webber has don much more in F1 than AP has so it mean's nothing what Ap did 6 years ago

[Sato 0]

What a bloody hell has Pedro Diniz to do in this argue? I

[rodders47 2]

well I guess we will all have to wait and see with Weber, but I have a gut feeling he will prove a lot of people wrong, maybe not in the first part of this year but surely later on and next year.. If I w3as a betting man I would put a few bob on MW for next years crown :-)

[Kaciaj 0]

Toyota are let R$ do it and well Webber is a much better driver than R$.

Kaciaj: it mean's nothing that Webber has not won a thing in lower grades and AP has. look at them now Webber has don much more in F1 than AP has so it mean's nothing what Ap did 6 years ago

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All the drivers who have won something in F.1 have also won something lower classes...all the world champions (but not Damon Hill) have won a lot in the lower classes....If webber has the same pedigree of Ricardo Rosset or Toranosuke Takagi or Luciano Burti and a worse pedigree than De La Rosa or Zonta is not my fault..I don't say that he's not quick but the fact he has proven nothing is the pure reality....

[Kaciaj 0]

IS ALSO A VERY BIG BIG SHAME THAT THEY DIDN'T PICK UP SCOTT DIXON FOR ONE OF THEIR SEAT.HE HAS HAD A DIFFICULT SEASON IN INDYCAR DUE TO ACCIDENTS BUT HE HAS WON AN INDYCAR CHAMPIONSHIP AND SHOWED HOW GOOD HE IS IN TESTING THIS SPRING....SADLY THEY PREFERRED MARK WEBBER...THE MOST OVERRATED DRIVER ON THE EARTH

[Kaciaj 0]

IS THERE ANYBODY HERE???

[nichosnz 0]

IS ALSO A VERY BIG BIG SHAME THAT THEY DIDN'T PICK UP SCOTT DIXON FOR ONE OF THEIR SEAT.HE HAS HAD A DIFFICULT SEASON IN INDYCAR DUE TO ACCIDENTS BUT HE HAS WON AN INDYCAR CHAMPIONSHIP AND SHOWED HOW GOOD HE IS IN TESTING THIS SPRING

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I agree completly.

[Kaciaj 0]

I agree completly.

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Thank you nichosnz for agreeing....i hope Scott will win again the Indy championship and the Indy 500 this year so he will jump in F.1 as soon as 2006...maybe Kimi will go to Ferrari for that date and so a good seat should be available at McLaren

[webber 0]

hay did you guys know that scott dixion was born in Brisbane (my home town) how good is that most Australian Born driver are born in NSW.but hes a kiwi now and hes about the only kiwi driver in open weeled racing.

hahahahahahah LMFAO Kaciaj your a funny guy. that was a good joke calling Webber the most overrated driver on earth now really we all know that R$ and DC are the two most overrated drivers on earth hell you chould eaven call Mark Sfafe (Australian V8) overrated after the way he drove this year. and have you seen this trend that a lot of champions in lower let me say that again LOWER grades come into F1 and do well nothing they have one seasion then get kicked out. F1 is a different game to F3, F3000, F Ford and F Holden F Renault and eaven CART. look at were DaMata is now he won the CART championchip and hes got no drive in 2005. all that matters in F1 is F1 and come finsihs of next seasion Webber will have don a lot he may not be WDC in 2005 but 2006 and 2007 he can be.

[KoolMonkey 0]

RS and DC aren't overrated. They have won races. They will most likely never win a WDC but they are not overrated. They are very good F1 drivers and every now and then they are great. How can you stack Webber up against these guys. DC is 2nd or 3rd, I can't remember in career wins. Sure they came years ago, but so what. Button is a better driver than Webber and he hasn't won a race either. Apart from Australia, the world is not bowing down to Webber. He is a good driver, but time will tell if he is a great one.