Dr Frankostein Is Setting Jv Up Already...

[pumpdoc 2]

excuse my "huh" post. When I read your post the bit in bold didn't come up for some reason, but I've seen it now, hence I edited it.

Well I feel it is promising. JV was surely not the only driver in the four day test to run on fumes. JV's time was the fastest V8 of the whole test, hence it seems speed is there. They have also run reliably after two days of problems, and JV is complementary about the engines and the rules, hence I feel it is promising.

Indeed at this time of the season good news is good news...............

[nojvnof1 0]

exactly, but apparently I'm not allowed to be happy that my driver finished first, for reasons I am totally aware of and have acknowledged.

In a season of many lows for JV and his fans I think I and all his fans are entitled to be happy with JV's performance.

[Shadow 0]

In a season of many lows for JV and his fans I think I and all his fans are entitled to be happy with JV's performance.

[YHR 0]

OMG!jv'ians...,i tell u....

yesterday only ten men ran...4 of them midland ,remaining testers....... apart from tpyota

and he was on fumes ..and u feel he is on top of his game

Duh

Regardless of who was on the track his lap time was very good compared to the others who have been running V8's over the entire test period.

You would have to work for the British F1 press to come to the conclusion you did with respects to our comments. It is a real stretch to pull "JV is at the top of his game" out of the remarks posted. Simply we were pleased with his performance, and that of the BMW Sauber when compared to all the other teams that have run over this test period.

I have a question for you. Why wouldn't JV be at the top of his game? This is F1. If JV is not driving at the top of his game, what the hell is he still doing in F1. The top of his game is what we expect this year. This is a no excuse year for JV, and if he still has it, then he needs to get the most out of the BMW every time out on the track. JV fans who have watched JV over the years believe he is a brilliant driver. For this reason we have searched for excuses to cover his less then spectacular return. This year there are no excuses. He either still has it or his skill level has deteriorated to that of a midpack driver, and should be happy with any ride he can secure after 2006. I expect him to match or better NH at every outing. If he does that then he still deserves to be in F1. If he doesn't then JV should seek another role in F1.

He won the confidence of the engineers last year, who went to bat for him this year. He is starting the year off knowing that his people believe in him. He either does well or he does not based on his skills as a driver.

People who slagged him for his 3 rides with Renault don't understand the sport very well and their criticism is easy to ignore. The fact that concerns me is that he wasn't kicking FM a## at the end of last year. Either FM is a lot better then the press give him credit for, or JV just hasn't got it any more. Because FM is now with Ferrari, my hope is that he is indeed a rising star. NH is also deemed to be a rising star. If the old man can best them (NH, FM) or keep pace with them, then he does in fact still possess the skills that should allow him to continue driving in this sport.

Realistically that is exactly the same thing BMW thinks as well, and is one reason they have not given JV's 2007 seat away. If he performs then the seat is his. If he doesn't, then look to him being replaced. To me that is fair, and I will be the first to say it has been fun while it lasted. On the other hand if JV beats his team-mate and is still shown the door by BMW, then I will also be the first to poop all over the BMW moniker.

After thought. If they replaced JV with FA, KR, MS(he is a German legend after all) then the moniker would still have a shine on it, as I could hardly fault them for those choices.

[Senna 0]

exactly, but apparently I'm not allowed to be happy that my driver finished first, for reasons I am totally aware of and have acknowledged.

In a season of many lows for JV and his fans I think I and all his fans are entitled to be happy with JV's performance.

Too right!

[pumpdoc 2]

Too right!

Even JVians have a right to happiness...................

[nojvnof1 0]

Yes. Yes we do

[Senna 0]

Even JVians have a right to happiness...................

No they don

[Max Mosley 2]

Even JVians have a right to happiness...................

They have clearly forfeited such rights. Its in their (watertight) contracts.

[Senna 0]

They have clearly forfeited such rights. Its in their (watertight) contracts.

Indeed. Courtesy of C.P.

[Max Mosley 2]

Indeed. Well done CP!

[Senna 0]

Indeed. Well done CP!

He deserves a medal for getting both Renault and Sauber to sign JV.

[Max Mosley 2]

And for getting BMW to retain him and for getting BAT(?) to pay him a small fortune and for...

[YHR 0]

And for getting BMW to retain him and for getting BAT(?) to pay him a small fortune and for...

RS getting his salary is eyebrow raising. JV's contracts are pretty much are in line with what a World Champion commands.

Oh Murray, btw JV won the WDC. Do you get it, He won the World Championship. Finished with more points then anyone else that year. Go figure eh. Can you image the most successful rookie in F1 History won the WDC in his second year, totally blowing away his team-mate in the process, and then signed on to bring a new team to the F1 grid. I would say his compensation was justified, he could have driven for anyone at that time but took on the challenge of helping to build and F1 team.

The man has accomplished more then most drivers, a fact that becomes absolutely incredible if people want to believe your view about his abilities.

[monza gorilla 1]

RS getting his salary is eyebrow raising. JV's contracts are pretty much are in line with what a World Champion commands.

Oh Murray, btw JV won the WDC. Do you get it, He won the World Championship. Finished with more points then anyone else that year. Go figure eh. Can you image the most successful rookie in F1 History won the WDC in his second year, totally blowing away his team-mate in the process, and then signed on to bring a new team to the F1 grid. I would say his compensation was justified, he could have driven for anyone at that time but took on the challenge of helping to build and F1 team.

The man has accomplished more then most drivers, a fact that becomes absolutely incredible if people want to believe your view about his abilities.

That was 8 years ago............... As for helping to build an F1 team, I seem to remember that Tyrell already existed. All Pollock and Reynard did was pump cash in, and design and build a crap car. They also treated Ken Tyrell like Sh#t once the deal was done.......

I respect JV as a driver, but he is not a shadow of his former self. Payment should be on current ability, not former glories.

[YHR 0]

That was 8 years ago............... As for helping to build an F1 team, I seem to remember that Tyrell already existed. All Pollock and Reynard did was pump cash in, and design and build a crap car. They also treated Ken Tyrell like Sh#t once the deal was done.......

I respect JV as a driver, but he is not a shadow of his former self. Payment should be on current ability, not former glories.

They got Honda back into F1, but fine we won't call BAR an accomplishment to be proud of.

Exactly. When JV signed that big contract with BAR he was at his best. His currently salary at Sauber is not even close to what he was making at BAR. So we completely agree. JV and Pollock understand the politics of this sport better then most. It seems his current contract actually was set up to pay JV more if he didn't drive!!!!!. I sure don't fault him for having the forsight to ensure the drive was more important then the cash. God knows he has enough of that.

Senna and Murray like to poke a stick and throw dirt on JV any chance they can get. They seem to enjoy belittling people. (Senna's post's of late have been rather good, not sure why we have to go down this road again). Well Murray, is Murray what can be said.

I just like to point out the fact that JV was the most successful rookie ever, and as much as they hate it was a world champion. They will go on and on about him being the weakest champion ever, or that a monkey could have won the championship in Williams that year. None of this matters. The fact is, very few drivers in F1 raise to the world champion level. JV was one of them. Plain and simple.

We shall see how much is substance and how much is shadow. By the end of the year he was Massa's equal. Massa was good enough to secure a ride with a legendary F1 team. Everybody agree's that Nick is quick. If JV matches and outpaces NH, then I suggest this statement of yours may be proven false. It's going to be a good year. The big equalizer is the uncertainty of the V8's. We may have a field from front ot back that is competitive. Then the driver skills will really stand out.

I am happy to talk of the current JV performance. The past is the past, contracts and all.

[monza gorilla 1]

They got Honda back into F1, but fine we won't call BAR an accomplishment to be proud of.

Exactly. When JV signed that big contract with BAR he was at his best. His currently salary at Sauber is not even close to what he was making at BAR. So we completely agree. JV and Pollock understand the politics of this sport better then most. It seems his current contract actually was set up to pay JV more if he didn't drive!!!!!. I sure don't fault him for having the forsight to ensure the drive was more important then the cash. God knows he has enough of that.

Senna and Murray like to poke a stick and throw dirt on JV any chance they can get. They seem to enjoy belittling people. (Senna's post's of late have been rather good, not sure why we have to go done this road again). Well Murray, is Murray what can be said.

I just like to point out the fact that JV was the most successful rookie ever, and as much as they hate it was a world champion. They will go on and on about him being the weakest champion ever, or that a monkey could have won the championship in Williams that year. None of this matters. The fact is, very few drivers in F1 raise to the world champion level. JV was one of them. Plain and simple.

We shall see how much is substance and how much is shadow. By the end of the year he was Massa's equal. Massa was good enough to secure a ride with a legendary F1 team. Everybody agree's that Nick is quick. If JV matches and outpaces NH, then I suggest this statement of yours may be proven false. It's goining to be a good year. The big equalizer is the uncertainty of the V8's. We may have a field from front ot back that is competitive. Then the driver skills will really stand out.

By and large, I agree with you.

[YHR 0]

By and large, I agree with you.

[Max Mosley 2]

RS getting his salary is eyebrow raising. JV's contracts are pretty much are in line with what a World Champion commands.

We are equally, if not more, harsh on Ralf. I suspect JV was getting more than MH and DH, while most people would rate MH, at least, more highly.

Oh Murray, btw JV won the WDC. Do you get it, He won the World Championship. Finished with more points then anyone else that year. Go figure eh. Can you image the most successful rookie in F1 History won the WDC in his second year, totally blowing away his team-mate in the process, and then signed on to bring a new team to the F1 grid. I would say his compensation was justified, he could have driven for anyone at that time but took on the challenge of helping to build and F1 team.

The man has accomplished more then most drivers, a fact that becomes absolutely incredible if people want to believe your view about his abilities.

When did I ever deny these facts?

[Max Mosley 2]

I just like to point out the fact that JV was the most successful rookie ever, and as much as they hate it was a world champion. They will go on and on about him being the weakest champion ever, or that a monkey could have won the championship in Williams that year. None of this matters. The fact is, very few drivers in F1 raise to the world champion level. JV was one of them. Plain and simple.

Why do you assume we hate this just because we like to honestly assess how good he was relative to the other WDC's? I find your statement strange that you don't care how good he actually was.

We shall see how much is substance and how much is shadow. By the end of the year he was Massa's equal. Massa was good enough to secure a ride with a legendary F1 team. Everybody agree's that Nick is quick. If JV matches and outpaces NH, then I suggest this statement of yours may be proven false. It's going to be a good year. The big equalizer is the uncertainty of the V8's. We may have a field from front ot back that is competitive. Then the driver skills will really stand out.

I am happy to talk of the current JV performance. The past is the past, contracts and all.

Not quite, according to his new boss. But lets hope he can improve further.

[YHR 0]

We are equally, if not more, harsh on Ralf. I suspect JV was getting more than MH and DH, while most people would rate MH, at least, more highly.

When did I ever deny these facts?

I don't think I said you denied these facts. You just don't like them.

[Max Mosley 2]

Oh Murray, btw JV won the WDC. Do you get it, He won the World Championship.

This is a minor point obviously but this statement suggests you thought I didn't know it.

[YHR 0]

Why do you assume we hate this just because we like to honestly assess how good he was relative to the other WDC's? I find your statement strange that you don't care how good he actually was.

Not quite, according to his new boss. But lets hope he can improve further.

What I am saying is it does not matter to me how You or Senna rate JV's world championship to others. That is completely subjective reasoning on your part. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. (Which is much different then yours) What does matter is that one of my favorite drivers won the WDC and that puts him in a class above the rest. Even if I believed your opinion on his world championship, I would sooner him be the weekest world champion then not one at all!!!!!

Didn't MT say JV was on pace with Massa by the end of the year and that is why they chose to honor his contract.???

This is a minor point obviously but this statement suggests you thought I didn't know it.

The statement was made to remind you that when he signed the contract with BAR he was one year off of a world championship season and could command a high price. From your statement it appeared you were basing your opinion of JV's contract in 1999 to his performance in 2005!!!!!

[Max Mosley 2]

You're right that our opinions are subjective but we are entitled to them and to try to convince you of them. MT said he got "closer and closer" to Massa which, reading between the lines, suggests he was almost as good at the end of the year.

[monza gorilla 1]

I think you're approaching the point of splitting hairs, guys. I don't think your views are that far apart.